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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 0:34:12 GMT -8
I guess you non Hoke haters like liars... Quote a lie we non haters missed.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 15, 2011 0:37:52 GMT -8
I'm not begrudging Hoke his opportunity to take his dream job at all.
I just don't like the way he did it. He seems to have hidden contacts with Michigan from Jim Sterk and the other coaches on the staff. He was interviewing with Michigan when he said he was recruiting. He didn't sign the contract extension that he agreed to because he wanted the Michigan job instead.
He didn't meet with the players to let them know why he was going back on his word (remember he met with them right after the regular season to reassure them that he wasn't going anywhere). He didn't thank SDSU or the players.
Finally, he tried to decimate the SDSU coaching staff which would have ruined the program for another 2 or 3 years (if not more). He made the attempt to leave SDSU's football program as scorched earth. That's not ok. Taking your dream job is ok, almost destroying your previous employer on the way out the door when you get that job isn't.
Brady did a lot of good things for the program, but he almost ruined it with the way he left. Had he gotten Rocky and all the other coaches he wanted the Aztecs would have had virtually no continuity and a staff that we would have had to, "Settle," for. If he had done this in December there would have been more time to assemble a decent staff if we had also lost Rocky, but in mid January? With letter of intent day around the corner? That would have moved us a year or three backwards.
I'm just really disappointed in the way Brady conducted himself through all of this. I love the guy as a coach and I will always appreciate what he did while he was here - but I'll also hate the way he left and the underhanded way he tried to strip mine our program.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jan 15, 2011 0:54:28 GMT -8
There is alot of hate for Brady Hoke on here. That hate did not exist 4 weeks ago. I will be the first decenter on this thread. Hoke changed the culture of a program which was in the dumper. He brought in outstanding assistant coaches, one of which is our HC now. Rocky would definitely not be here if not for Brady Hoke. Brady complied with his contract. He exercised his out clause to get his dream job. Which one of you would not have done that? Breaking up is not pretty. SDSU will be fine. Brady got what he wanted. Someone please tell me what the beef is. Is it because he did not come and shake our had to say good-by? Geeze. Thanks for saying it EXACTLY how i would. QUIT WHINING!! SDSU will be just fine. I really would like to meet someone who wouldn't go to Michigan. Anyone? Its still a top 5 program, RR muffed it up, and it was Hokes dream to coach there. Stop whining about it, focus on the next football season, and leave it be. Everyone knew Hoke would eventually leave, and whose to say that Rocky wont leave too...? I have seen more than one coach say this is the end of the road, and BAM! A new job comes along, and they leave. I'm not saying he WILL, I'm saying its possible. Its the business guys, its the business. Money talks. Also, about him leaving without saying bye to his players, none of them were on campus when this went down. Focus on the future, not the past. Jim Harbaugh, Gary Patterson, every other top HC etc. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go to Michigan if I were in that position. There are a lot of jobs that imo are much better. Texas, Florida, USC, Oklahoma, Florida St., ND, Nebraska, and Alabama would all be way ahead of Michigan. For some Michigan may be the dream job but it isn't for all or even most. It isn't that special of a job and Michigan doesn't pay it's coaches as much as other top programs. History matters only so much. I didn't expect Hoke to say bye to his players since he left Ball St. in a similar fashion. As for the post that you responded to. People weren't mad at Hoke 4 weeks ago because he was still SDSU's coach 4 weeks ago. That's like saying you didn't hate you wife until she cheated on you or filed for divorce. There's a reason why people are upset and they have a right to be. Really I find it ludicrous that people are telling others that there isn't a reason to be upset. Now you may not be angry at Hoke, that's fine, that's your choice. Doesn't mean others don't have a right or reason to be. Really this is no different than Lane Kiffin ditching Tennessee to go to his "dream job" at USC.
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Post by fmichigan on Jan 15, 2011 1:01:20 GMT -8
I'm not begrudging Hoke his opportunity to take his dream job at all. I just don't like the way he did it. He seems to have hidden contacts with Michigan from Jim Sterk and the other coaches on the staff. He was interviewing with Michigan when he said he was recruiting. He didn't sign the contract extension that he agreed to because he wanted the Michigan job instead. He didn't meet with the players to let them know why he was going back on his word (remember he met with them right after the regular season to reassure them that he wasn't going anywhere). He didn't thank SDSU or the players. Finally, he tried to decimate the SDSU coaching staff which would have ruined the program for another 2 or 3 years (if not more). He made the attempt to leave SDSU's football program as scorched earth. That's not ok. Taking your dream job is ok, almost destroying your previous employer on the way out the door when you get that job isn't. Brady did a lot of good things for the program, but he almost ruined it with the way he left. Had he gotten Rocky and all the other coaches he wanted the Aztecs would have had virtually no continuity and a staff that we would have had to, "Settle," for. If he had done this in December there would have been more time to assemble a decent staff if we had also lost Rocky, but in mid January? With letter of intent day around the corner? That would have moved us a year or three backwards. I'm just really disappointed in the way Brady conducted himself through all of this. I love the guy as a coach and I will always appreciate what he did while he was here - but I'll also hate the way he left and the underhanded way he tried to strip mine our program. Concur
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Post by NTU on Jan 15, 2011 1:02:16 GMT -8
Where's our thank you letter? You know...something about what a great stepping stone we were... Exactly, finally we have someone who gets why I posted this. Thanks Oh, I got it from the get go. And that's why this whole thing bothers me. I don't care that he left for Michigan. I can't blame him for that. But the way he left........and his whole attitude towards THIS university.......it has really soured me on Brady Hoke.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jan 15, 2011 1:07:06 GMT -8
I'm not begrudging Hoke his opportunity to take his dream job at all. I just don't like the way he did it. He seems to have hidden contacts with Michigan from Jim Sterk and the other coaches on the staff. He was interviewing with Michigan when he said he was recruiting. He didn't sign the contract extension that he agreed to because he wanted the Michigan job instead. He didn't meet with the players to let them know why he was going back on his word (remember he met with them right after the regular season to reassure them that he wasn't going anywhere). He didn't thank SDSU or the players. Finally, he tried to decimate the SDSU coaching staff which would have ruined the program for another 2 or 3 years (if not more). He made the attempt to leave SDSU's football program as scorched earth. That's not ok. Taking your dream job is ok, almost destroying your previous employer on the way out the door when you get that job isn't. Brady did a lot of good things for the program, but he almost ruined it with the way he left. Had he gotten Rocky and all the other coaches he wanted the Aztecs would have had virtually no continuity and a staff that we would have had to, "Settle," for. If he had done this in December there would have been more time to assemble a decent staff if we had also lost Rocky, but in mid January? With letter of intent day around the corner? That would have moved us a year or three backwards. I'm just really disappointed in the way Brady conducted himself through all of this. I love the guy as a coach and I will always appreciate what he did while he was here - but I'll also hate the way he left and the underhanded way he tried to strip mine our program. I agree. I appreciate what Hoke did while he was here but he tried to tear all of that down when he left. I don't see why that deserves praise. We're lucky that Rocky decided to stick around (along with the other coaches) they're the ones that deserve the praise.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 15, 2011 1:07:48 GMT -8
Exactly, finally we have someone who gets why I posted this. Thanks Oh, I got it from the get go. And that's why this whole thing bothers me. I don't care that he left for Michigan. I can't blame him for that. But the way he left........and his whole attitude towards THIS university.......it has really soured me on Brady Hoke. Yeah, it almost seems like he's embarrassed to have been the Head Coach at San Diego State. He's not talking about what he did here as an example of what he'll do at Michigan, he's not saying anything nice about the school or program - he's just acting like it was something to be ashamed of. He ran away as quickly as he could and never came back. It's just a shame that he left this way. It really taints his accomplishments here. What was about team and US is now just about Brady. He got so much so right while he was here, it seemed so unlikely that he'd handle leaving so poorly.
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Post by showdora on Jan 15, 2011 1:12:03 GMT -8
Players are on break, only a handful are actually in the area. How could he have properly said goodbye exactly??
You guys whine too much about everything.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 1:15:03 GMT -8
Exactly, finally we have someone who gets why I posted this. Thanks I don't care that he left for Michigan. I don't believe that, at least not from most who have posted something similar. Maybe you're different. But I'm sure most would have had no problem with any of Hoke's behavior if it didn't result in his leaving. Did anyone investigate how he left Ball State or have a problem with it? Bottom line he left SDSU and THAT was his greatest sin to Aztec fans.
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Post by NTU on Jan 15, 2011 1:18:22 GMT -8
Players are on break, only a handful are actually in the area. How could he have properly said goodbye exactly?? You guys whine too much about everything. There are better ways to have handled this. A statement directed to SDSU and the fans here would have been a good start. Being up front and honest about his contact with Michigan would have been another. No one was going to begrudge him for taking the Michigan job. SDSU would not have been able to match whatever offer they made, and it wouldn't have mattered if they could. I don't think anyone here blames him for taking the job. But a little gratitude to the people who got him there couldn't have hurt his cause. Show a little class at least.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 15, 2011 1:24:25 GMT -8
I don't care that he left for Michigan. I don't believe that, at least not from most who have posted something similar. Maybe you're different. But I'm sure most would have had no problem with any of Hoke's behavior if it didn't result in his leaving. Did anyone investigate how he left Ball State or have a problem with it? Actually, when I first read about that it did give me reason to pause. I didn't like what I read, but I just excused it as a coach leaving to form his new staff and staying out of the way of the new coach for the old team as they prepared for a Bowl game. This time there was no Bowl game being prepared for. This time he tried to take almost the entire staff (last time he only took about 1/3 of the staff). This time was even worse than the Ball State exit. Looking back, that's probably because Ball State was his alma mater. SDSU didn't really mean anything to Brady once he had a chance at the Michigan gig. If I were coaching at, say, New Mexico State, and the SDSU gig opened up I'd leave NMSU for SDSU in a heartbeat - but I wouldn't step on NMSU in the process. I'd give them my thanks for the job and the opportunities, I'd thank the players for their hard work, I'd thank my staff, and I'd thank the fans for their support. THEN I'd head off to SDSU and put my staff together and show my excitement about coming home to the program that means the most to me! (And I certainly wouldn't strip mine the NMSU staff and leave them with nothing the way Hoke attempted to do this time.)
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 1:26:42 GMT -8
Nice letter whoever wrote it, so long coach Bagadonuts & "Thanks"!
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 1:31:40 GMT -8
I just think Hoke left things a lot better than he found them and we should be grateful for that.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 15, 2011 1:38:57 GMT -8
I just think Hoke left things a lot better than he found them and we should be grateful for that. I would agree with that - except that he tried to leave things just as bad as he found them by attempting to take almost the entire coaching staff with him (right at LOI time). Thank God for Rocky Long! If the Rock hadn't stayed we would have been in big trouble.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jan 15, 2011 1:39:22 GMT -8
I just think Hoke left things a lot better than he found them and we should be grateful for that. How would it have been left better if the coaching staff was stripped bare? We would have needed to restart things all over again. Luckily Rocky decided to stick around otherwise we could have been screwed.
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Post by ryandickie on Jan 15, 2011 2:33:14 GMT -8
I'm not begrudging Hoke his opportunity to take his dream job at all. I just don't like the way he did it. He seems to have hidden contacts with Michigan from Jim Sterk and the other coaches on the staff. He was interviewing with Michigan when he said he was recruiting. He didn't sign the contract extension that he agreed to because he wanted the Michigan job instead. He didn't meet with the players to let them know why he was going back on his word (remember he met with them right after the regular season to reassure them that he wasn't going anywhere). He didn't thank SDSU or the players. Finally, he tried to decimate the SDSU coaching staff which would have ruined the program for another 2 or 3 years (if not more). He made the attempt to leave SDSU's football program as scorched earth. That's not ok. Taking your dream job is ok, almost destroying your previous employer on the way out the door when you get that job isn't. Brady did a lot of good things for the program, but he almost ruined it with the way he left. Had he gotten Rocky and all the other coaches he wanted the Aztecs would have had virtually no continuity and a staff that we would have had to, "Settle," for. If he had done this in December there would have been more time to assemble a decent staff if we had also lost Rocky, but in mid January? With letter of intent day around the corner? That would have moved us a year or three backwards. I'm just really disappointed in the way Brady conducted himself through all of this. I love the guy as a coach and I will always appreciate what he did while he was here - but I'll also hate the way he left and the underhanded way he tried to strip mine our program. I'll start by saying that theoretically, SDSU is better off than when Brady Hoke got here. At least the current coaching staff wasn't run off by a mob with torches and pitchforks. (Although he did try to gut the staff on his way out. Even General Sherman himself, would be envious of Hoke's scorched-earth policy...) HOW it went down, is the issue, not that it actually WENT down. I was annoyed with Brady during the Minnesota debacle. I believe his TRUE colors began to show at that point. However, I never begrudged him the opportunity to take a crack at his dream gig. He'd been honest about wanting the UM job since day one. In fact, on a person-to-person basis, I was rooting for Brady to get the job. How can you not root for somebody to achieve their "dream". Although, this was based upon the (apparently misconceived assumption) that Brady was a man of honor and class. Even notoriously self-centered Hollywood morons have the common decency to mention the people who helped get them there in acceptance speeches. Not a peep out of Hoke. That being said, the smoke and mirrors over the past few weeks has permanently soiled that naive assumption. For a guy who spent the last 18+ months extolling the virtues of HONOR, RESPECT, and ACCOUNTABILITY (not to mention the countless "HOKE RULES"), he apparently seems to lack the testicular fortitude to practice what he preaches. That, my friends, is the definition of hypocrisy. Nobody forced him to come in and instill these virtues upon the program, he did that of his own accord. Thus, making him a hypocrite. Had he not gone on the "Honor and Accountability" warpath with the team, etc., this wouldn't been an issue. Had he come in, guns-a-blazin', as the blatant mercenary that he apparently is, this wouldn't be an issue. However, he framed himself as something else, and many of us mistakenly fell for the sales pitch and he has reveled himself to be nothing more than a self-serving opportunist. THAT, is the issue. Hoke Rule #1: "DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO..." Edit: Corrected 2:30am spelling, etc.
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Post by oc74aztec on Jan 15, 2011 7:29:05 GMT -8
I don't hate Hoke as I feel that he may have saved SDSU football. Serious articles had been written about us dropping or demoting football with one more bad hire, it might have happened. From Day 1 of his arrival, we knew that he would only leave if Michigan came calling. I didn't expect the call so soon and hated the way Michigan handled the hiring process; but Hoke never lied to us.
That being said, this aricle is about the new Michigan coach and San Diego State isn't even mentioned.
Therefore - OFF TOPIC!
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Post by Cwag on Jan 15, 2011 7:32:05 GMT -8
Someone please tell me what the beef is. Is it because he did not come and shake our had to say good-by? Geeze. No, it's merely because he left. If he'd interviewed with Michigan and not been offered the job, the idiot Hoke haters would have had no problem with him (because he stayed by default). Hell hath no fury like an Aztec fan scorned it seems. It certainly is uncharted territory. Usually SDSU does the dumping. Maybe the morons here will be more mature should this happen again in the future. But I doubt it. Well let me explain it to you. You have a girlfriend and you like her but you have a woman that is your dream. At some point you realize that your dream woman is available. In one case you sneak around behind your girlfriend's back and one day send her a text saying you have broken up with her. In the other case you talk to your girlfriend and are honest about what you want and tell her up front about what is going on. Case two is harder but shows more character and honesty. Hoke handled us like case one. If that doesn't upset you then fine but frankly I think that makes him a chicken $#!+ *****. Yes he is a good coach but he is also a hypocrite when he talks about accountability, character and commitment. This has nothing to do about him going to Michigan but how he did it.It's called class and Hoke has none.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 11:04:52 GMT -8
I just think Hoke left things a lot better than he found them and we should be grateful for that. How would it have been left better if the coaching staff was stripped bare? We would have needed to restart things all over again. Luckily Rocky decided to stick around otherwise we could have been screwed. Hoke convinced the PLAYERS they could win. We would have hired a new set of coaches but they would not have walked into a losing culture.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 11:16:09 GMT -8
Well let me explain it to you. You have a girlfriend and you like her but you have a woman that is your dream. At some point you realize that your dream woman is available. In one case you sneak around behind your girlfriend's back and one day send her a text saying you have broken up with her. In the other case you talk to your girlfriend and are honest about what you want and tell her up front about what is going on. The dream job was available but Hoke didn't have it yet. Michigan talked to Miles the day before they hired Hoke. It happened very fast. It may have been mishandled and it would have been nice for Hoke to acknowledge SDSU, but that doesn't erase all the good he did. Anyway, would thanking SDSU at his Michigan press conference have soothed all the hurt feelings on here? I highly doubt it. Funny you use the term "sneak around". Seems our current head coach was guilty of the same thing. Check out the first two paragraphs. www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/12/rocky-long-wins-second-chance-sdsu-job/
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