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Post by azson on Jan 12, 2011 11:45:11 GMT -8
I have come to agree with the republicans that vitriolic political rhetoric not only does no harm but that it is vital to the preservation of the nation. What the republicans know and the democrats refuse to accept, is that there is a war going on between the right and left and there is room for only one side in this country. The time has come for a final show down and if the weak-kneed democrats can't take the heat they should get out of the kitchen. Rather than tone down the rhetoric we need to be ramping up the vitriolic political rhetoric. It is the only way either side can energize their supporters to stand up and take the actions necessary for total victory. There are so many things that can be done to promote ultimate victory. For instance, if we could find some way of identifying specific businesses as democrat or republican leaning then potential customers could choose which business they want to patronize. After all, why would a republican want to give money to a business run by a democrat and vice versa since a part of the profits of that business may well be going to the side the customer is fighting? Its like Limbaugh said, the democrats are using this shooting by a liberal democrat to play politics. He said today that the democrats were helping the shooter. Hannity said the democrats complaints against political rhetoric were an attempt to silence their critics. Regardless of whether the democrats like it, now is the time to increase vitriolic political debate. It does nothing to encourage violent behavior and instead forcefully points out the serious problems that exist with the other side. So just so we're clear Pete, we need MORE of the below in this country: Robert Lowry, a Republican challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz (D-FL), stopped by a local Republican event in October. The event was at a gun range, and Lowry shot at a human-shaped target that had Wasserman Schulz's initials written next to it. Dean Allen, a conservative candidate for state office in South Carolina threw a "machine gun social" in September, drawing 500 people for the chance to win a $700 AK-47 semiautomatic rifle. All attendees got to shoot 20 rounds from a machine gun of their choice. Giffords' own opponent, Republican Jesse Kelly, had a gun-themed fund-raiser in June in which supporters could come and shoot an M-16 rifle with Kelly. It was promoted thusly: Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly." Stephen Broden, a Republican challenger to Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), in late October said that violent revolution is "on the table." "We have a constitutional remedy here and the Framers says if that don't work, revolution," he said. "If the government is not producing the results or has become destructive to the ends of our liberties, we have a right to get rid of that government and to get rid of it by any means necessary." Dale Peterson, Republican candidate for agricultural commissioner of Alabama, ran an ad in May which he posed with a rifle and declared, "I'll name names and take no prisoners." A month later, Rick Barber (R-AL) drew attention to his Congressional campaign with a TV ad in which he and "the Founding Fathers" discussed the current tax code. At the end of the ad, in which the cameras zoom in on colonial-era pistols several times, one of the Founders says, "Gather your armies." About a year ago, Richard Behney, a tea partier from Indiana running for former Sen. Evan Bayh's seat, told a group of Second Amendment activists that they didn't have to resort to armed insurrection -- "yet." "We can get new faces in. Whether it's my face or not, I pray to God that I see new faces. And if we don't see new faces, I'm cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I'm serious about that, and I bet you are, too. But I know none of us want to go that far yet, and we can do it with our vote," he said. "Our nation was founded on violence," Broden said. Erstwhile Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R-NV) found herself in June defending comments she had made six months earlier about the Second Amendment. "People are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you, the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out," she said. New Rep. Allen West (R-FL) almost hired a Florida talk-radio host, Joyce Kaufman, as his chief of staff. But Kaufman withdrew after media coverage of some of her more fiery statements, such as: "I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendment rights was they gave a Second Amendment," she told a tea party crowd last summer. "And if ballots don't work, bullets will." |
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Post by azson on Jan 12, 2011 11:49:51 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 12, 2011 12:31:56 GMT -8
Fact remains that anyone who puts any blame for the massacre at Palin's feet or Limbaugh's feet is on par with the 9/11 Truthers and Obama Birthers. And as far as political discourse is concerned, the idiots on the left are about to ruin the American dream for my kid's generation and my grand kid's generation and will make sure that my generation won't likely be able to retire. Opposition to their stupid policies should be passionate and intense. Wm F. Buckley mumbling or George Will using large words are not what is needed. And nothing like trying to call a truce after attacking everything Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin with every last dirty trick and over the top smear in the book. What phonies! |
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Post by aztec70 on Jan 12, 2011 12:43:57 GMT -8
Fact remains that anyone who puts any blame for the massacre at Palin's feet or Limbaugh's feet is on par with the 9/11 Truthers and Obama Birthers. And as far as political discourse is concerned, the idiots on the left are about to ruin the American dream for my kid's generation and my grand kid's generation and will make sure that my generation won't likely be able to retire. Opposition to their stupid policies should be passionate and intense. Wm F. Buckley mumbling or George Will using large words are not what is needed. And nothing like trying to call a truce after attacking everything Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin with every last dirty trick and over the top smear in the book. What phonies! So the dream of your children and grandchildren is to live in a society armed to the teeth? Wow.  |
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Post by azson on Jan 12, 2011 14:19:04 GMT -8
Fact remains that anyone who puts any blame for the massacre at Palin's feet or Limbaugh's feet is on par with the 9/11 Truthers and Obama Birthers. And as far as political discourse is concerned, the idiots on the left are about to ruin the American dream for my kid's generation and my grand kid's generation and will make sure that my generation won't likely be able to retire. Opposition to their stupid policies should be passionate and intense. Wm F. Buckley mumbling or George Will using large words are not what is needed. And nothing like trying to call a truce after attacking everything Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin with every last dirty trick and over the top smear in the book. What phonies! This (below) is the most telling of all the stories to me, Thor; and you truly think our kids' futures are more at risk from "idiots on the left" than these nut-jobs??? Or do you consider this acceptable "passionate and intense" behavior? <<AZ Republicans Resign Amid Fears of Tea Party Violence>> www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/434799/after_giffords_shooting,_several_az_republicans_resign_amid_fears_of_tea_party_violence/ |
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Post by davdesid on Jan 12, 2011 14:26:40 GMT -8
I asked for examples to support your charges of "soft core treason". Your use of the term "Faux" news is deliberately pejorative. You claim Limbaugh "and the like" rarely have facts. Examples that prove a rule that Fox is "faux" or that Limbaugh, et al, "rarely" have facts are what I want you to provide. If you can't do it, then you are the phony, just blowing liberal smoke out of your ass. Yes, Faux News is a deliberate pejorative. The "softcore treason" reference is grounded in my observation that they have done more to undermine confidence in this nation's government and its institutions that all the communists the world has ever known. And they do it for money. That's not something that's provable; it's an observation and an opinion. Here's an example of Beck's accuracy... www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-june-3-2010/glenn-beck-airs-israeli-raid-footageAnd here's on that shows how Fox blurs the line between news and opinion. www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-29-2009/for-fox-sake-Yoda out... Well, seriously, I know nothing about Beck except he's a featured talking head on the Fox News CHANNEL. Using a talking opinion head to smear Fox NEWS is no different than using mouth-foamers like Matthews and Olberman to smear NBC NEWS. I listen to Fox News Radio on KFBK when in the Sacramento area, (I listen to ABC News in the Bay Area) and Fox reports the facts just as faithfully as the others try to do. Do you think the Fox Sports channels lie about the sports scores? Is it the "Faux Sports Network"? I do not watch news on TV; I used to watch Matthews once upon a time, but quit when he became an unhinged raving mouth spitter, yelling over everyone else. Finally, whatever Beck is, citing a comedy channel as a reference is just too funny. |
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Post by davdesid on Jan 12, 2011 14:28:16 GMT -8
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Post by azson on Jan 12, 2011 14:32:58 GMT -8
Well, seriously, I know nothing about Beck except he's a featured talking head on the Fox News CHANNEL. Using a talking opinion head to smear Fox NEWS is no different than using mouth-foamers like Matthews and Olberman to smear NBC NEWS. I listen to Fox News Radio on KFBK when in the Sacramento area, (I listen to ABC News in the Bay Area) and Fox reports the facts just as faithfully as the others try to do. Do you think the Fox Sports channels lie about the sports scores? Is it the "Faux Sports Network"? I do not watch news on TV; I used to watch Matthews once upon a time, but quit when he became an unhinged raving mouth spitter, yelling over everyone else. Finally, whatever Beck is, citing a comedy channel as a reference is just too funny. It's not funny Sid, it's sad - the fact that most of the best non-spin political reporting on commercial TV these days comes from TDS... |
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Post by Yoda on Jan 12, 2011 15:08:07 GMT -8
This (below) is the most telling of all the stories to me, Thor; and you truly think our kids' futures are more at risk from "idiots on the left" than these nut-jobs??? Or do you consider this acceptable "passionate and intense" behavior? <<AZ Republicans Resign Amid Fears of Tea Party Violence>> www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/434799/after_giffords_shooting,_several_az_republicans_resign_amid_fears_of_tea_party_violence/ Wow. That's a surprise to me. I wouldn't have thought that anybody perceived the danger to be so extreme that it was necessary to resign. But for a Republican, and especially a group of Republicans, to do so is even more surprising. Yoda out... |
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Post by Yoda on Jan 12, 2011 15:20:51 GMT -8
Finally, whatever Beck is, citing a comedy channel as a reference is just too funny. Jon Stewart lives to poke fun at political hypocrisy. He pokes both the left and the right -- although he is politically left. What he has on his show that makes these kinds of things worthwhile is tape -- and the ability to show tape today vs. tape yesterday. He can demonstrate hypocrisy better than anyone because he can show it. One of my other favorite pieces is Glen Beck on the American Health system. While recovering from an operation a couple of years ago, Beck recorded statements suggesting that the health system in this country was damn near the worst in the world. But when it came time to try and kill Obamacare, we had the best health care system in the history of the world. Totally opposite and conflicting comments. In my view, Stewart is probably the most honest, effective and biting, political commentator out there today. And Colbert is a close second. They make jokes, but hypocrisy exposed for what it is, is funny. One of my favorite Colbert pieces was the time that he interviewed a US Senator who had introduced a measure that would put the 10 Commandments up on the Senate Chambers wall. Colbert asked him to name the 10 Commandments. I think he got three of them. Yoda out... |
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Post by davdesid on Jan 12, 2011 15:39:40 GMT -8
>>>one tiny tiny example. You tell the audience (Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh all did this) that the Central Valley farmers have lost their water rights solely because the radical environmentalists are trying to save an endangered fish or "minnow" (the Delta Smelt).<<<uw
Did you actually hear this? In full context? All three of these guys? All on "Faux" News?
I'm not disputing what you say here, but you must spend an awful lot of time listening to these guys. Or did you pick the info off of a Soros funded slime site?
In any case, who cares what they say any more than the turds on MSNBC?
In any case, you are referring to talking heads... not the NEWS.
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Post by uwaztec on Jan 12, 2011 16:08:35 GMT -8
>>>one tiny tiny example. You tell the audience (Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh all did this) that the Central Valley farmers have lost their water rights solely because the radical environmentalists are trying to save an endangered fish or "minnow" (the Delta Smelt).<<<uw Did you actually hear this? In full context? All three of these guys? All on "Faux" News? I'm not disputing what you say here, but you must spend an awful lot of time listening to these guys. Or did you pick the info off of a Soros funded slime site? In any case, who cares what they say any more than the turds on MSNBC? In any case, you are referring to talking heads... not the NEWS. Sid, I know a lot about fisheries and biology and pay close attention to the media when those subjects are debated. I don't need to go to any special site to get my information. I did happen to see the Hannity segment regarding the Central Valley water debate. As far as Limbaugh (for example) and others are concerned, I know their playbook so well ...that I could bet $500 and win every time if I was to guess how they approached this debate.....and for better or for worse (my opinion) .... the talking heads have become the "News". |
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Post by davdesid on Jan 12, 2011 16:24:26 GMT -8
>>>I know their playbook so well ...that I could bet $500 and win every time if I was to guess how they approached this debate.....<<<uw
How do you know their playbook so well if you don't listen to them?
I don't know, but you seem to.
I hope a fair-minded person like you isn't taking talking points from some Soros-funded slime site.
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Post by uwaztec on Jan 12, 2011 16:45:38 GMT -8
>>>I know their playbook so well ...that I could bet $500 and win every time if I was to guess how they approached this debate.....<<<uw How do you know their playbook so well if you don't listen to them? I don't know, but you seem to. I hope a fair-minded person like you isn't taking talking points from some Soros-funded slime site. No Sid...but I do know the far Left's playbook just as well. I read the paper everyday...and on and off for years, I have listened to NPR, talk radio, FOX, Msnbc etc. I really don't need talking points and in general do not debate subjects on here I don't know a lot about like military strategy, economics and the health care bill. I actually do learn quite a bit on this site, even from the "Righties"! |
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Post by davdesid on Jan 13, 2011 15:40:20 GMT -8
>>>I know their playbook so well ...that I could bet $500 and win every time if I was to guess how they approached this debate.....<<<uw How do you know their playbook so well if you don't listen to them? I don't know, but you seem to. I hope a fair-minded person like you isn't taking talking points from some Soros-funded slime site. No Sid...but I do know the far Left's playbook just as well. I read the paper everyday...and on and off for years, I have listened to NPR, talk radio, FOX, Msnbc etc. I really don't need talking points and in general do not debate subjects on here I don't know a lot about like military strategy, economics and the health care bill. I actually do learn quite a bit on this site, even from the "Righties"! Well, it seems the "Delta Smelt" issue is more complicated than talking head spin. Not trying to be insensitive, but this article seems to suggest there is a tug-of-war (pardon the metaphor) between the enviros and the un-documenteds.... reason.com/blog/2011/01/12/reasontvP.S. The charge contained in the title of this thread, and the shameless political damagogues who offered it, have been served their din-din. SMOKED CROW. |
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Post by azson on Jan 13, 2011 16:00:35 GMT -8
No Sid...but I do know the far Left's playbook just as well. I read the paper everyday...and on and off for years, I have listened to NPR, talk radio, FOX, Msnbc etc. I really don't need talking points and in general do not debate subjects on here I don't know a lot about like military strategy, economics and the health care bill. I actually do learn quite a bit on this site, even from the "Righties"! Well, it seems the "Delta Smelt" issue is more complicated than talking head spin. Not trying to be insensitive, but this article seems to suggest there is a tug-of-war (pardon the metaphor) between the enviros and the un-documenteds.... reason.com/blog/2011/01/12/reasontvP.S. The charge contained in the title of this thread, and the shameless political damagogues who offered it, have been served their din-din. SMOKED CROW. Isn't there a 3-strikes rule on SMOKED CROW? Kinda loses it's "eating crow for din-din" power when you have to repeat so many times... |
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Post by davdesid on Jan 13, 2011 16:05:00 GMT -8
Libs don't know when they've had enough.
They're gluttons.
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Post by uwaztec on Jan 13, 2011 20:46:49 GMT -8
No Sid...but I do know the far Left's playbook just as well. I read the paper everyday...and on and off for years, I have listened to NPR, talk radio, FOX, Msnbc etc. I really don't need talking points and in general do not debate subjects on here I don't know a lot about like military strategy, economics and the health care bill. I actually do learn quite a bit on this site, even from the "Righties"! Well, it seems the "Delta Smelt" issue is more complicated than talking head spin. Not trying to be insensitive, but this article seems to suggest there is a tug-of-war (pardon the metaphor) between the enviros and the un-documenteds.... reason.com/blog/2011/01/12/reasontvP.S. The charge contained in the title of this thread, and the shameless political damagogues who offered it, have been served their din-din. SMOKED CROW. and this has what to do with water quality in the Sacramento River Delta and the tributaries that feed it regarding sustainability / viability of fisheries (salmon, steel head, striped bass) and forage fish (smelt)? |
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Post by North County Aztec on Jan 14, 2011 11:56:50 GMT -8
If you want hatred tune in to the progressive Mike Malloy. I’ve never heard Rush, Beck et al call for the beheading of liberals. Malloy spews violence all day and the conservative haters eat it up. For your daily dose of hate www.mikemalloy.com/stations/ |
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Post by azson on Jan 14, 2011 12:13:06 GMT -8
If you want hatred tune in to the progressive Mike Malloy. I’ve never heard Rush, Beck et al call for the beheading of liberals. Malloy spews violence all day and the conservative haters eat it up. For your daily dose of hate www.mikemalloy.com/stations/With you there NCA, and you can include everyone else at Air America other than Franken. I had high hopes for AA and it started well with Franken's relatively spin-free show. But then Rhodes and Malloy came along and it became and still is the left's version of Rush & Beck, makes me sick... |
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