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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 14:30:28 GMT -8
One thing to point out is that 8 years of republican rule brought us to this financial mess. Don't forget that! Obama is ruling from the center but a new almost Nazi right wing of the republican party views center as socialistic. If things were so great under republican rule then why isn't McCain our President? GDP has grown since fall 2009 and job losses have stopped and we are now seeing new job growth. Obama is doing a good job given the major challenges he inherited. Plan fact. Another fact: Don't Ask Don't Tell is being approved by republican senators only if a $43B fighter jet bill f-35 is put on the bill. The Pentagon said they do not need this fighter jet but republican senators want it due to the jobs it will produce in their states. Isn't that socialism republicans??? Also Gov. Perry from Texas balenced his state budget with $23B from Obama. He cried that this was socialism however in the end he took the money and took credit for it. LOL! Just out of curiosity, how is government ownership of formerly private enterprises such as automobile manufacturers considered centrist? How is the co-opting of the health care industry considered centrist? How do you square his statements like "some people make too much money" and "you know, spread the wealth around" with his ostensible centrism? Another nit: In America, governments aren't supposed to "rule", they're supposed to govern. I think it's the F-22 funding that's in question. F-35 is the Joint Strike Fighter meant to supplant all other fighter variants. And finally, recent job growth is being attributed primarily to census hiring. If you subtract government job growth, we're still flat or in a downward trend. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 2, 2010 15:01:03 GMT -8
The Affirmative Action President has to this point, been an absolute flop. His socialist policies and radical agenda are the main reasons for my political disagreements. I support our troops wholeheartedly, but the current Commander in Chief leaves much to be desired. "Affirmative Action President"  Go ahead and use the "N" word. I know you really want to.  Please spare us that kind of drama. |
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Post by sdtosf on Jun 2, 2010 16:23:14 GMT -8
It would have been a whole lot worse if govt. did not bail out GM and the US banking industry. We would have been in another great depression. I am sure Obama did not want to bail out these industries but he was in a lose- lose situation. I am 100% sure the same thing would have been done if McCain won. It was the right thing to do even if it was unpopular. All counrties around the workd had to do the same thing too. Stimulus packages were provided in all 1st world countries.
Republicans are just sore losers and they themselves said the only thing they need to do is make Obama lose. That is why they are the party of NO and provide no alternative solutions. Even the democrats in congress gave Bush everything he needed until he screwed things up so badly.
Point is govt needs to involve itself in regulation and you cannot let big business run amuck. Look at the BP situation that is currently killing our gulf. Another present from the past Bush administration and the laws they past to deregulate this industry.
Also, if you do not like govt. involvement in industry why are you a SDSU fan? SDSU is run by the state govt! You should be a USC fan/student if you don't believe in govt. involvement!!
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 2, 2010 20:12:47 GMT -8
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Post by sdtosf on Jun 2, 2010 21:17:47 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 3, 2010 7:55:13 GMT -8
Obama might win in 2012, but that would occur only after the GOP has taken the keys for his extremely left leaning car away from him. He then can enact the best of the GOP's agenda (like Clinton did), or be entirely irrelevant with either of those realities being better than the one we have now. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 3, 2010 9:58:12 GMT -8
Obama might win in 2012, but that would occur only after the GOP has taken the keys for his extremely left leaning car away from him. He then can enact the best of the GOP's agenda (like Clinton did), or be entirely irrelevant with either of those realities being better than the one we have now. During the Clinton era, the GOP was much more centrist and still welcomed moderates. The current GOP has been hijacked by the wing-nut right and will not be a factor in any national election until the party, as a whole, moves back towards the middle where most Americans reside. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 3, 2010 11:56:31 GMT -8
"The survey, which interviewed 621 voters, was taken Sept. 18-21. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.9 percent." Note the date, the number of folks polled and where the poll was taken. Obama would now lose to any of those folks including Palin. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 3, 2010 11:57:41 GMT -8
Obama might win in 2012, but that would occur only after the GOP has taken the keys for his extremely left leaning car away from him. He then can enact the best of the GOP's agenda (like Clinton did), or be entirely irrelevant with either of those realities being better than the one we have now. This is closer to possible, but still a reach. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 3, 2010 11:59:52 GMT -8
Obama might win in 2012, but that would occur only after the GOP has taken the keys for his extremely left leaning car away from him. He then can enact the best of the GOP's agenda (like Clinton did), or be entirely irrelevant with either of those realities being better than the one we have now. During the Clinton era, the GOP was much more centrist and still welcomed moderates. The current GOP has been hijacked by the wing-nut right and will not be a factor in any national election until the party, as a whole, moves back towards the middle where most Americans reside. Whistle in the dark young man. This next election will be ugly for Democrats. |
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Post by davdesid on Jun 3, 2010 12:31:34 GMT -8
It is a rare AAA post that doesn't contain the pejorative: " ...wing-nut..."
Demonstrates a certain vacuousness in his ability to express his position intelligently.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jun 3, 2010 13:15:36 GMT -8
"Affirmative Action President" Go ahead and use the "N" word. I know you really want to. Please spare us that kind of drama. He can't help it, thats the way the left conditions their drones to respond when they don't like something or are losing an argument. Juvenile name calling can't hide the fact that we elected a president with practically no experience over a guy with 30 years in politics who happens to be a war hero. Our country is now witnessing President Obama's complete lack of domestic leadership and foreign policy savvy and I believe the Democratic Party will pay the price for their own incompetence in the polls in November. |
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Post by tuff on Jun 3, 2010 14:03:27 GMT -8
Obama might win in 2012, but that would occur only after the GOP has taken the keys for his extremely left leaning car away from him. He then can enact the best of the GOP's agenda (like Clinton did), or be entirely irrelevant with either of those realities being better than the one we have now. During the Clinton era, the GOP was much more centrist and still welcomed moderates. The current GOP has been hijacked by the wing-nut right and will not be a factor in any national election until the party, as a whole, moves back towards the middle where most Americans reside. Just as the Dems have been hijacked by the left wing nuts. Too bad there isn't a centrist third party. |
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Post by sdtosf on Jun 3, 2010 21:43:20 GMT -8
Dems will lose some seats due to the economy in their respective regions. However the republicans will run some right wing wing nuts and will lose because who really wants to elect someone (Paul-KY) who wants to repeal the civil rights and disabilities act! Who wants to elect Paul when he says that then chickens out of his scheduled apperance on Meet The Press because he cannot stop putting his foot in his mouth! For those who say that Obama is a mess domestically and internationally I say you are wrong. Loans to US auto manufacturers plus the auto stimulus has the big three reporting profitable sales. GM paid back the loans from the US govt. with interest. If republicans had it their way we would only have one auto manufacturer in the USA. ALso many key Taliban and Al Quaida leaders are being caught or killed. Less American lives are being lost overseas. Potential terrorists are caught before creating terrorists acts. Iran now cashing in all their investments from Euros to Dollars which now they cannot really piss off the USA since we hold the cards. It is your right to bash the president if you want. Just please back it up with some facts.
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Post by monty on Jun 4, 2010 5:46:47 GMT -8
Please spare us that kind of drama. He can't help it, thats the way the left conditions their drones to respond when they don't like something or are losing an argument. Juvenile name calling can't hide the fact that we elected a president with practically no experience over a guy with 30 years in politics who happens to be a war hero. Our country is now witnessing President Obama's complete lack of domestic leadership and foreign policy savvy and I believe the Democratic Party will pay the price for their own incompetence in the polls in November. Why would you use a term like 'Affirmative Action President' if you weren't deriding him on the color of his skin? |
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Post by monty on Jun 4, 2010 5:50:20 GMT -8
During the Clinton era, the GOP was much more centrist and still welcomed moderates. The current GOP has been hijacked by the wing-nut right and will not be a factor in any national election until the party, as a whole, moves back towards the middle where most Americans reside. Whistle in the dark young man. This next election will be ugly for Democrats. Yes, and then in 4-12 years it will be ugly for the republicans and then, and then. That is how the pendulum swings, and what is great is then they can both whip their booster clubs into a furor and raise more money to line their pockets as they need to defeat the dumb, nazi, george bush doesn't like black people or the socialist, muslim, affirmative action president. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 4, 2010 9:33:40 GMT -8
During the Clinton era, the GOP was much more centrist and still welcomed moderates. The current GOP has been hijacked by the wing-nut right and will not be a factor in any national election until the party, as a whole, moves back towards the middle where most Americans reside. Just as the Dems have been hijacked by the left wing nuts. Too bad there isn't a centrist third party. I don't disagree with you on this point. I would join it in a second. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 4, 2010 9:41:10 GMT -8
It is a rare AAA post that doesn't contain the pejorative: " ...wing-nut..." Demonstrates a certain vacuousness in his ability to express his position intelligently. You bristle at "Wing-Nut" but have no problem with the use of "Lefist", "Marxist", "Communist", "Socialist", "Un-American", and "Traitor" when you and others reference anyone with a liberal, progressive, or centrist position. You guys continually amaze me. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 4, 2010 10:32:05 GMT -8
It is a rare AAA post that doesn't contain the pejorative: " ...wing-nut..." Demonstrates a certain vacuousness in his ability to express his position intelligently. You bristle at "Wing-Nut" but have no problem with the use of "Lefist", "Marxist", "Communist", "Socialist", "Un-American", and "Traitor" when you and others reference anyone with a liberal, progressive, or centrist position. You guys continually amaze me. When you put it like that, I would much rather be a "wing-nut".  |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 4, 2010 10:37:15 GMT -8
He can't help it, thats the way the left conditions their drones to respond when they don't like something or are losing an argument. Juvenile name calling can't hide the fact that we elected a president with practically no experience over a guy with 30 years in politics who happens to be a war hero. Our country is now witnessing President Obama's complete lack of domestic leadership and foreign policy savvy and I believe the Democratic Party will pay the price for their own incompetence in the polls in November. Why would you use a term like 'Affirmative Action President' if you weren't deriding him on the color of his skin? Sounds more like bashing a policy. Walter Williams would say about the same thing. |
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