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Post by ramrodd23 on Nov 13, 2024 17:04:19 GMT -8
Look at Wickers body of work. 1. ridiculous extension of Hoke 2. extenson of womens BB coach who has been simply awful 3. new baseball coach who led the team to last place last year 4. and now Lewis?? What is next? You can add extension to the old baseball coach before firing for the new baseball coach. Could have gotten in the Big12 for half the TV contract. |
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 13, 2024 17:10:14 GMT -8
When you really look at his body of work, it's really not all that impressive. The thing that is really lacking is experience from a true experienced D1 OC/QB type coach, kind of like a bench coach in MLB someone to bounce ideas off and give some advice once in a while. Take another look… the MAC has won 15% of their games against the SEC… Kent State 2018 - Illinois, PSU, Ole Miss (1-7)2019 - ASU, Auburn, Wisky (5-3)2021 - Texas A&M, Maryland, Iowa (6-2)2022 - Washington, Oklahoma, Georgia (4-4)He was 24-19 against teams he had a chance to win against. like I said nothing that impressive no better then Hoke (1.0) or Long and getting paid more then UNM and UNLV coaches, not sure about staff payrolls. Either way there really seems to be an issue of a poorly coached team out on the field going into now the 10th game. I am not one of "Fire the coach now" group but think it's pretty obvious this Head Coach maybe in over his head by trying to coach this team and be the OC at the same time. Times are changing and with all the new things needed to run a D1 football program the coaching and the administrative sides are both FULL TIME jobs these day and only getting harder and more time consuming. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 13, 2024 17:48:06 GMT -8
Take another look… the MAC has won 15% of their games against the SEC… Kent State 2018 - Illinois, PSU, Ole Miss (1-7)2019 - ASU, Auburn, Wisky (5-3)2021 - Texas A&M, Maryland, Iowa (6-2)2022 - Washington, Oklahoma, Georgia (4-4)He was 24-19 against teams he had a chance to win against. like I said nothing that impressive no better then Hoke (1.0) or Long and getting paid more then UNM and UNLV coaches, not sure about staff payrolls. Either way there really seems to be an issue of a poorly coached team out on the field going into now the 10th game. I am not one of "Fire the coach now" group but think it's pretty obvious this Head Coach maybe in over his head by trying to coach this team and be the OC at the same time. Times are changing and with all the new things needed to run a D1 football program the coaching and the administrative sides are both FULL TIME jobs these day and only getting harder and more time consuming. I get you point… and get the not fire now… KSU Conference Record 2017: 1-7 2016: 2-6 2015: 2-6 2014: 1-6 They were 6-25 prior to Lewis, 16-16 with him and plus 6 his last three years… Since he left they are 0-13… Since 2014 they are 6-38 without Lewis and 16-16 with him… |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 14, 2024 10:41:22 GMT -8
For the Deion fans on here here are some stats for 2023:
Colorado's record over the first 8 games while Lewis was play calling: 4-4. Losses were @ #10 Oregon, #8 USC, Stanford and @ #23 UCLA. The loss against Stanford was in 2 OT. Colorado was up 29-0 at the half. Colorado's defense gave up 36 points in the second half, including a 1 play 97 yard "drive" for a TD. In the last OT period Sanders threw a terrible pick on 3rd and goal from the 2 yard line. Stanford hit a FG to win on the next drive.
Average points scored for the first 8 games: 31.75
Colorado's record for the last 4 games were 0-4 with losses at home to #16 Oregon St and #21 Zona. They suffered their worst lost, 56-14, at Wazzu.
Average points scored for the final 4 games: 20.25, a decrease of 11.5 ppg.
Deion's first year record: 4-8
I'm guessing there were a lot of CU fans that thought Deion was the wrong hire last year and many in and outside of the program were questioning his demotion of Lewis.
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Post by standiego on Nov 14, 2024 11:12:15 GMT -8
Colorado won its first 3 games against TCU - who had a good team the previous year But do not think they were not that good last year in the Big 12
2 they also beat CSU in a game that could have gone either way - CSU was not in the Champs game for MW
3 - Nebraska - not exactly a top BIG team
The major problem for Colorado seems to be that they brought in highly skilled players but same as it is for SDSU - they did not bring in quality OL and DL
Colorado has made adjustments this season and is not doing that badly
they also have major backers who support the team with a decent amount of money
Can Lewis bring in the talent that is needed at the OL and DL positions and keep the decent players that are currently at SDSU
Recently BSU was able to flip a SDSU recruit as NIL money comes up to be a major situation for SDSU
Lewis might have some ties for the Portal and to what type of player ?
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 14, 2024 12:06:28 GMT -8
Coach Lewis needs to run the TEAM not the offense.
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Post by aztech on Nov 14, 2024 12:26:40 GMT -8
Coach Lewis needs to run the TEAM not the offense. Can we afford to pay for an OC? It won't be Lindley. I doubt Wicker can find a way to cut the overpaid Lewis' salary if we hire one, anyway. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 14, 2024 13:03:33 GMT -8
Coach Lewis needs to run the TEAM not the offense. Can we afford to pay for an OC? It won't be Lindley. I doubt Wicker can find a way to cut the overpaid Lewis' salary if we hire one, anyway. IIRC, we are already maxed out at the number of coaches. Schmidt is the O-line coach and run-game coordinator. Everyone here loved his signing. Without a good O-line the offense is going to struggle. We were questionable before the season and even more so with the injuries we've had there. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Nov 14, 2024 13:19:34 GMT -8
Take another look… the MAC has won 15% of their games against the SEC… Kent State 2018 - Illinois, PSU, Ole Miss (1-7)2019 - ASU, Auburn, Wisky (5-3)2021 - Texas A&M, Maryland, Iowa (6-2)2022 - Washington, Oklahoma, Georgia (4-4)He was 24-19 against teams he had a chance to win against. like I said nothing that impressive no better then Hoke (1.0) or Long and getting paid more then UNM and UNLV coaches, not sure about staff payrolls. Either way there really seems to be an issue of a poorly coached team out on the field going into now the 10th game. I am not one of "Fire the coach now" group but think it's pretty obvious this Head Coach maybe in over his head by trying to coach this team and be the OC at the same time. Times are changing and with all the new things needed to run a D1 football program the coaching and the administrative sides are both FULL TIME jobs these day and only getting harder and more time consuming. This is where I am. He shouldn't be fired after one year, but he's made a lot of questionable decisions already. 1) Hiring like he was still operating on a MAC budget. He has one of the largest assistant budgets among G5 schools and brought in his buddies from the MAC and FCS. No history of success at a major conference, no recruiting studs. Aside from Schmidt and the DC, everybody was a stretch for a job at the MWC level. 2) Not hiring an offensive coordinator. Maybe he's one of the few people who can succeed as both an OC and HC, but it's not usually a good decision. This recruiting season will be a huge indicator of whether he's going to succeed here. Maybe it's not his fault that many of the best players he inherited left, but that's the reality of the new system and it was his choice to fill out his staff with MAC and FCS staff more familiar with recruiting the Dakotas than California. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 14, 2024 16:08:26 GMT -8
Conference record above highlighted, like I said nothing that impressive no better then Hoke (1.0) or Long and getting paid more then UNM and UNLV coaches, not sure about staff payrolls. Either way there really seems to be an issue of a poorly coached team out on the field going into now the 10th game. I am not one of "Fire the coach now" group but think it's pretty obvious this Head Coach maybe in over his head by trying to coach this team and be the OC at the same time. Times are changing and with all the new things needed to run a D1 football program the coaching and the administrative sides are both FULL TIME jobs these day and only getting harder and more time consuming. This is where I am. He shouldn't be fired after one year, but he's made a lot of questionable decisions already. 1) Hiring like he was still operating on a MAC budget. He has one of the largest assistant budgets among G5 schools and brought in his buddies from the MAC and FCS. No history of success at a major conference, no recruiting studs. Aside from Schmidt and the DC, everybody was a stretch for a job at the MWC level. 2) Not hiring an offensive coordinator. Maybe he's one of the few people who can succeed as both an OC and HC, but it's not usually a good decision. This recruiting season will be a huge indicator of whether he's going to succeed here. Maybe it's not his fault that many of the best players he inherited left, but that's the reality of the new system and it was his choice to fill out his staff with MAC and FCS staff more familiar with recruiting the Dakotas than California. Well, our biggest issues seem to be with the O-line and defense - especially rush defense though we are giving up 241 yds passing per game and 406 yards/game total. I know our secondary is young and we lost to graduation and transfer our best players in the secondary the last couple of years. But, to me, it seems most of our issues have more to do with the personnel rather than the coaching in the areas of O-line and defense (which is mainly D-line and secondary). I want to see how this staff does in recruiting before condemning them like so many on here already have done. If assistant coaches aren't up to par then that can be easily rectified though I don't have issues hiring from FCS schools for position coaches myself. Assistant coaches, especially position coaches, are generally hired year-to-year, correct? If they don't perform, then they don't get renewed. When Fisher was hired here, he didn't have Dutch here for the first year because of commitments, so Lewis may not have had the opportunity to hire who he wanted. Schmidt wasn't his first choice as O-line coach. By the way, in his first year at USC, John McKay went 4-6 and he had an assistant coach of offense that came from Whittier college named Don Coryell. Pretty sure that hiring was questioned at the time. Finally, we have offensive coordinators for both the run and the pass. Many head coaches call their own plays so I don't have an issue with that. What you do want, however, are coaches that are on the same page with the head coach. Sean Lewis has not said that is an issue nor has he made anyone a scapegoat for the team's lack of wins. When it comes to it, if this team was winning people wouldn't be complaining. We had wins against Central Michigan if we made one of two short field goals and against Wazzu if the defense made a stop when they needed to. If that happens, we are 5-4 and not 3-6. |
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Post by aztech on Nov 14, 2024 16:40:12 GMT -8
This is where I am. He shouldn't be fired after one year, but he's made a lot of questionable decisions already. 1) Hiring like he was still operating on a MAC budget. He has one of the largest assistant budgets among G5 schools and brought in his buddies from the MAC and FCS. No history of success at a major conference, no recruiting studs. Aside from Schmidt and the DC, everybody was a stretch for a job at the MWC level. 2) Not hiring an offensive coordinator. Maybe he's one of the few people who can succeed as both an OC and HC, but it's not usually a good decision. This recruiting season will be a huge indicator of whether he's going to succeed here. Maybe it's not his fault that many of the best players he inherited left, but that's the reality of the new system and it was his choice to fill out his staff with MAC and FCS staff more familiar with recruiting the Dakotas than California. Well, our biggest issues seem to be with the O-line and defense - especially rush defense though we are giving up 241 yds passing per game and 406 yards/game total. I know our secondary is young and we lost to graduation and transfer our best players in the secondary the last couple of years. But, to me, it seems most of our issues have more to do with the personnel rather than the coaching in the areas of O-line and defense (which is mainly D-line and secondary). I want to see how this staff does in recruiting before condemning them like so many on here already have done. If assistant coaches aren't up to par then that can be easily rectified though I don't have issues hiring from FCS schools for position coaches myself. Assistant coaches, especially position coaches, are generally hired year-to-year, correct? If they don't perform, then they don't get renewed. When Fisher was hired here, he didn't have Dutch here for the first year because of commitments, so Lewis may not have had the opportunity to hire who he wanted. Schmidt wasn't his first choice as O-line coach. By the way, in his first year at USC, John McKay went 4-6 and he had an assistant coach of offense that came from Whittier college named Don Coryell. Pretty sure that hiring was questioned at the time. Finally, we have offensive coordinators for both the run and the pass. Many head coaches call their own plays so I don't have an issue with that. What you do want, however, are coaches that are on the same page with the head coach. Sean Lewis has not said that is an issue nor has he made anyone a scapegoat for the team's lack of wins. When it comes to it, if this team was winning people wouldn't be complaining. We had wins against Central Michigan if we made one of two short field goals and against Wazzu if the defense made a stop when they needed to. If that happens, we are 5-4 and not 3-6. Life is full of IF's/ |
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 14, 2024 17:23:06 GMT -8
Can we afford to pay for an OC? It won't be Lindley. I doubt Wicker can find a way to cut the overpaid Lewis' salary if we hire one, anyway. IIRC, we are already maxed out at the number of coaches. Schmidt is the O-line coach and run-game coordinator. Everyone here loved his signing. Without a good O-line the offense is going to struggle. We were questionable before the season and even more so with the injuries we've had there. Without a coach who can adjust his schemes to his players nor put the right personnel into his schemes, a terrible offense is inevitable |
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Post by AzTex on Nov 14, 2024 18:06:54 GMT -8
This is where I am. He shouldn't be fired after one year, but he's made a lot of questionable decisions already. 1) Hiring like he was still operating on a MAC budget. He has one of the largest assistant budgets among G5 schools and brought in his buddies from the MAC and FCS. No history of success at a major conference, no recruiting studs. Aside from Schmidt and the DC, everybody was a stretch for a job at the MWC level. 2) Not hiring an offensive coordinator. Maybe he's one of the few people who can succeed as both an OC and HC, but it's not usually a good decision. This recruiting season will be a huge indicator of whether he's going to succeed here. Maybe it's not his fault that many of the best players he inherited left, but that's the reality of the new system and it was his choice to fill out his staff with MAC and FCS staff more familiar with recruiting the Dakotas than California. Well, our biggest issues seem to be with the O-line and defense - especially rush defense though we are giving up 241 yds passing per game and 406 yards/game total. I know our secondary is young and we lost to graduation and transfer our best players in the secondary the last couple of years. But, to me, it seems most of our issues have more to do with the personnel rather than the coaching in the areas of O-line and defense (which is mainly D-line and secondary). I want to see how this staff does in recruiting before condemning them like so many on here already have done. If assistant coaches aren't up to par then that can be easily rectified though I don't have issues hiring from FCS schools for position coaches myself. Assistant coaches, especially position coaches, are generally hired year-to-year, correct? If they don't perform, then they don't get renewed. When Fisher was hired here, he didn't have Dutch here for the first year because of commitments, so Lewis may not have had the opportunity to hire who he wanted. Schmidt wasn't his first choice as O-line coach. By the way, in his first year at USC, John McKay went 4-6 and he had an assistant coach of offense that came from Whittier college named Don Coryell. Pretty sure that hiring was questioned at the time. Finally, we have offensive coordinators for both the run and the pass. Many head coaches call their own plays so I don't have an issue with that. What you do want, however, are coaches that are on the same page with the head coach. Sean Lewis has not said that is an issue nor has he made anyone a scapegoat for the team's lack of wins. When it comes to it, if this team was winning people wouldn't be complaining. We had wins against Central Michigan if we made one of two short field goals and against Wazzu if the defense made a stop when they needed to. If that happens, we are 5-4 and not 3-6. So why didn't USC fire him immediately? Surely they could have afforded it.  |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 14, 2024 18:51:23 GMT -8
IIRC, we are already maxed out at the number of coaches. Schmidt is the O-line coach and run-game coordinator. Everyone here loved his signing. Without a good O-line the offense is going to struggle. We were questionable before the season and even more so with the injuries we've had there. Without a coach who can adjust his schemes to his players nor put the right personnel into his schemes, a terrible offense is inevitable Folks… there are more than a dozen starters at P4 schools that left… including a whole OL… |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 14, 2024 19:03:48 GMT -8
IIRC, we are already maxed out at the number of coaches. Schmidt is the O-line coach and run-game coordinator. Everyone here loved his signing. Without a good O-line the offense is going to struggle. We were questionable before the season and even more so with the injuries we've had there. Without a coach who can adjust his schemes to his players nor put the right personnel into his schemes, a terrible offense is inevitable More importantly, you need the players on the field who can perform. I don't think we have that yet. I am not criticizing those players we have on effort, just that they may not be ready to play at this level. That is why I have said you need at least two full recruiting classes to start to see what you have. Deion went 4-8 last year. |
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Post by sdaztec4life on Nov 14, 2024 20:13:38 GMT -8
For the Deion fans on here here are some stats for 2023: Colorado's record over the first 8 games while Lewis was play calling: 4-4. Losses were @ #10 Oregon, #8 USC, Stanford and @ #23 UCLA. The loss against Stanford was in 2 OT. Colorado was up 29-0 at the half. Colorado's defense gave up 36 points in the second half, including a 1 play 97 yard "drive" for a TD. In the last OT period Sanders threw a terrible pick on 3rd and goal from the 2 yard line. Stanford hit a FG to win on the next drive. Average points scored for the first 8 games: 31.75 Colorado's record for the last 4 games were 0-4 with losses at home to #16 Oregon St and #21 Zona. They suffered their worst lost, 56-14, at Wazzu. Average points scored for the final 4 games: 20.25, a decrease of 11.5 ppg. Deion's first year record: 4-8 I'm guessing there were a lot of CU fans that thought Deion was the wrong hire last year and many in and outside of the program were questioning his demotion of Lewis. CU fans were probably happy that Sanders went 4-8. The team improved from being 1-11 the year before he took over, not to mention the Nation Attention the program received and TV eyes watching all their games. There were more fans at CU'S last years Spring practice game than any regular season games at SDSU last year or this year. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 14, 2024 21:35:53 GMT -8
For the Deion fans on here here are some stats for 2023: Colorado's record over the first 8 games while Lewis was play calling: 4-4. Losses were @ #10 Oregon, #8 USC, Stanford and @ #23 UCLA. The loss against Stanford was in 2 OT. Colorado was up 29-0 at the half. Colorado's defense gave up 36 points in the second half, including a 1 play 97 yard "drive" for a TD. In the last OT period Sanders threw a terrible pick on 3rd and goal from the 2 yard line. Stanford hit a FG to win on the next drive. Average points scored for the first 8 games: 31.75 Colorado's record for the last 4 games were 0-4 with losses at home to #16 Oregon St and #21 Zona. They suffered their worst lost, 56-14, at Wazzu. Average points scored for the final 4 games: 20.25, a decrease of 11.5 ppg. Deion's first year record: 4-8 I'm guessing there were a lot of CU fans that thought Deion was the wrong hire last year and many in and outside of the program were questioning his demotion of Lewis. CU fans were probably happy that Sanders went 4-8. The team improved from being 1-11 the year before he took over, not to mention the Nation Attention the program received and TV eyes watching all their games. There were more fans at CU'S last years Spring practice game than any regular season games at SDSU last year or this year. Deion is committed to CU as long as he has kids playing there. Yes, he got a lot of TV coverage last year for a 4 win year. The program is all about Deion and so is the coverage. Not sure that is in the best interests of CU in the long term. He scapegoated Lewis last year despite the fact that the offense did well. When pressed, he tried to back it down. Personally, I don't want a HC, or any coach, like that. |
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Post by AzTex on Nov 14, 2024 22:11:00 GMT -8
CU fans were probably happy that Sanders went 4-8. The team improved from being 1-11 the year before he took over, not to mention the Nation Attention the program received and TV eyes watching all their games. There were more fans at CU'S last years Spring practice game than any regular season games at SDSU last year or this year. Deion is committed to CU as long as he has kids playing there. Yes, he got a lot of TV coverage last year for a 4 win year. The program is all about Deion and so is the coverage. Not sure that is in the best interests of CU in the long term. He scapegoated Lewis last year despite the fact that the offense did well. When pressed, he tried to back it down. Personally, I don't want a HC, or any coach, like that. |
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Post by LostAztec on Nov 15, 2024 7:25:17 GMT -8
This is where I am. He shouldn't be fired after one year, but he's made a lot of questionable decisions already. 1) Hiring like he was still operating on a MAC budget. He has one of the largest assistant budgets among G5 schools and brought in his buddies from the MAC and FCS. No history of success at a major conference, no recruiting studs. Aside from Schmidt and the DC, everybody was a stretch for a job at the MWC level. 2) Not hiring an offensive coordinator. Maybe he's one of the few people who can succeed as both an OC and HC, but it's not usually a good decision. This recruiting season will be a huge indicator of whether he's going to succeed here. Maybe it's not his fault that many of the best players he inherited left, but that's the reality of the new system and it was his choice to fill out his staff with MAC and FCS staff more familiar with recruiting the Dakotas than California. Well, our biggest issues seem to be with the O-line and defense - especially rush defense though we are giving up 241 yds passing per game and 406 yards/game total. I know our secondary is young and we lost to graduation and transfer our best players in the secondary the last couple of years. But, to me, it seems most of our issues have more to do with the personnel rather than the coaching in the areas of O-line and defense (which is mainly D-line and secondary). I want to see how this staff does in recruiting before condemning them like so many on here already have done. If assistant coaches aren't up to par then that can be easily rectified though I don't have issues hiring from FCS schools for position coaches myself. Assistant coaches, especially position coaches, are generally hired year-to-year, correct? If they don't perform, then they don't get renewed. When Fisher was hired here, he didn't have Dutch here for the first year because of commitments, so Lewis may not have had the opportunity to hire who he wanted. Schmidt wasn't his first choice as O-line coach. By the way, in his first year at USC, John McKay went 4-6 and he had an assistant coach of offense that came from Whittier college named Don Coryell. Pretty sure that hiring was questioned at the time. Finally, we have offensive coordinators for both the run and the pass. Many head coaches call their own plays so I don't have an issue with that. What you do want, however, are coaches that are on the same page with the head coach. Sean Lewis has not said that is an issue nor has he made anyone a scapegoat for the team's lack of wins. When it comes to it, if this team was winning people wouldn't be complaining. We had wins against Central Michigan if we made one of two short field goals and against Wazzu if the defense made a stop when they needed to. If that happens, we are 5-4 and not 3-6. The reality is we are 3-6 because his team failed to execute. We should be 6-3, but his style of offense is why we are at three wins with three head scratching losses to bottom feeders. |
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Post by sdaztec4life on Nov 15, 2024 13:48:02 GMT -8
CU fans were probably happy that Sanders went 4-8. The team improved from being 1-11 the year before he took over, not to mention the Nation Attention the program received and TV eyes watching all their games. There were more fans at CU'S last years Spring practice game than any regular season games at SDSU last year or this year. Deion is committed to CU as long as he has kids playing there. Yes, he got a lot of TV coverage last year for a 4 win year. The program is all about Deion and so is the coverage. Not sure that is in the best interests of CU in the long term. He scapegoated Lewis last year despite the fact that the offense did well. When pressed, he tried to back it down. Personally, I don't want a HC, or any coach, like that. I couldn't care less about Sanders but you sounded like you down played his turn around of the CU program from ONE win to four wins when he arrived. He is no different than Lewis if Lewis succeeds at SDSU. If Lewis had a good year, 7+ wins this year and say won 9,10 games next year and the P4 was calling, Lewis would leave, which is no different than Sanders staying until his kids are done, as You say. Whether or not one likes Sanders, the wins, attention and Money that he has generated for CU is incredible and I know the University does NOT regret signing him. CU plays in a sold out stadium, SDSU plays in a stadium with the atmosphere of a morgue and Yes, I have been to every game at Snapdragon since year one except for one. SDSU fans would be fortunate to have a HC that has brought the excitement & wins to CU as Sanders has. From the last place finish in the PAC, pre Sanders, to a current 2nd place in the BIG12-Truck Stop Conference to some. SDSU needs Wins, Fan excitement, a Sold out Stadium, better recruits, and more NIL money donated, ALL of which Sanders and his only Four (4) wins in year one has done. "The program is all about Deion and so is the coverage." Who cares if it's all about him. If State was so lucky to have Urban Meyers, or got Jim Harbaugh or any high profile coach, who cares if all the attention is on the coach. As long as he wins, brings the program prosperity, notoriety, great recruits & keeps them, gets more fans to contribute to NIL, and puts SDSU in contention of Championships and a chance at the CFP. Kinda sounds like what Four win first year Sanders is doing.... |
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