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Post by sdaztec4life on Nov 2, 2024 14:50:15 GMT -8
FACT is that CAL, Stanford, USC, UCLA All snubbed their noses at SDSU & did so for decades, not wanting the Aztecs in the same conference because academically SDSU didn't fit. Regardless of what you think of GCU and their academics, the same sentiment from some here is that "WE", Aztecs are better/superior to GCU academically and in no way should "WE" be associated with them, GCU, which is how the PAC felt about SDSU. It doesn't matter if they are a "fraudulent" University, the point is the Sentiment here is "WE" are too good for GCU, just like the PAC felt about SDSU. I agree with all of what you said, so what is your point? State was not on par with those Universities when it came to academics. As fans, we all complained and gave them a big bird and hated them for it. The University had to step up, raise its profile, invest in Academics, etc. The school did the things that it needed to do. I am not one to buy into the whole GCU 90-100% acceptance and around 30% graduation rates, while charging a fortune. Knowing that most of these kids will never graduate. Oh, and the fact, they have had multiple programs lose credibilty or can no longer offer degrees. GCU is just a Univ trying to make money off kids that didn't get into their first/second choice. State might have had less than perfect academics years back, higher acceptance rates than liked, etc. But it has always been a CSU with real degrees and not a diploma factory. We should not be comparing State and GCU in anyway. I made my point early. Some here are turning their noses on GCU saying State is Academically way better than GCU just like the old PAC did to State for decades. It's funny how some felt that "we" received the "big bird" from the PAC is now giving the "big bird" to GCU. I also don't agree with GCU'S acceptance rate is 90-100%. If SDSU fans want to bag on a school, bag on Boise State with an acceptance rate of 84% in 2022. I DON'T want GCU in the new PAC, no need for another Basketball only school I don't care what a fellow University in the Conference acceptance rate or graduation rate is. I was one of the few from the beginning of the "what conference should SDSU go to game" that hoped "WE" would go to the "Truck Stop Conference" BIG12 and not the Hoity Toity PAC12. I agree that SDSU has vastly improved academically over the decades and that State without a doubt is way better than GCU academically. That "piece of paper", that took me a long time to get at SDSU, that is hanging from my wall got me a career job for 30+ years in the field I Majored in so no complaints from me. |
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Post by LostAztec on Nov 2, 2024 14:53:52 GMT -8
You GCU haters and Academic snobs crack me up.
It's about a sporting alliance. GCU brings competitive and monetary benefit to the MW. They bring one of largest TV markets in the Nation.
Period.
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Post by sdaztec4life on Nov 2, 2024 14:58:32 GMT -8
You GCU haters and Academic snobs crack me up. It's about a sporting alliance. GCU brings competitive and monetary benefit to the MW. They bring one of largest TV markets in the Nation. Period. You want Academic snibbery ? Donate and help SDSU not only become R1 but AAU. Without a doubt GCU will help the MWC in basketball with the Phoenix television market. |
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Post by LostAztec on Nov 2, 2024 16:49:28 GMT -8
You GCU haters and Academic snobs crack me up. It's about a sporting alliance. GCU brings competitive and monetary benefit to the MW. They bring one of largest TV markets in the Nation. Period. You want Academic snibbery ? Donate and help SDSU not only become R1 but AAU. Without a doubt GCU will help the MWC in basketball with the Phoenix television market. They will easily replace the missing Aztec fans at the CCG. They might even fill the T&M even more. I will miss our home away from home. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Nov 3, 2024 21:41:45 GMT -8
You GCU haters and Academic snobs crack me up. It's about a sporting alliance. GCU brings competitive and monetary benefit to the MW. They bring one of largest TV markets in the Nation. Period. I know it's ridiculous. It's the same guys that post repeatedly on several threads. Enough already, we heard you the 14th time. Sanctimonious. It's like they applied for a graduate program and were one of the few that got rejected. š¤¦š»āāļø |
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Post by gocoaztec on Nov 4, 2024 5:10:41 GMT -8
FACT is that CAL, Stanford, USC, UCLA All snubbed their noses at SDSU & did so for decades, not wanting the Aztecs in the same conference because academically SDSU didn't fit. Regardless of what you think of GCU and their academics, the same sentiment from some here is that "WE", Aztecs are better/superior to GCU academically and in no way should "WE" be associated with them, GCU, which is how the PAC felt about SDSU. It doesn't matter if they are a "fraudulent" University, the point is the Sentiment here is "WE" are too good for GCU, just like the PAC felt about SDSU. San Diego State has been in a conference with some very poorly ranked institutions. It has been in conferences with religious institutions. GCU is in a new class. This Sportico report outlines how GCU is different. www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2024/mountain-west-grand-canyon-nonprofit-1234803619/What is amazing is that The WCC schools ever agreed to GCU admission given their very conservative outlook on education. The MW just let a private - money motivated university into their conference which was constituted by public Universities. I am having USIU flashbacks to certain extent. I guess you can be the ultimate fan and buy some shares in lopes. According to the linked article both the IRS and Arizona IRS both consider GCU a non-profit. Arenāt they the government organizations that have been empowered to make that determination? The fact that the FTC, along with the DOE, have filed law suits makes me wonder if this is a targeted, politically motivated move by the Biden/Harris administration. It certainly wouldnāt be the first time that a Democrat administration targeted a non-profit that they perceived as conservative. |
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Post by aztucho on Nov 4, 2024 8:44:08 GMT -8
GCU is basically Devry on steroids....
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Post by aztecfred on Nov 4, 2024 9:05:35 GMT -8
Maybe, I could see u all getting ur panty hose in a wad if they were joining the Pac? But, they are joining the MTN! They could add GCU, Devry, So New Hampshire U, National University....why should we care?  |
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Post by aztucho on Nov 4, 2024 12:43:37 GMT -8
Maybe, I could see u all getting ur panty hose in a wad if they were joining the Pac? But, they are joining the MTN! They could add GCU, Devry, So New Hampshire U, National University....why should we care? Just glad we went to the PAC, as I do not support be affiliated with GCU in any manner. |
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Post by azman on Nov 4, 2024 13:26:33 GMT -8
Maybe, I could see u all getting ur panty hose in a wad if they were joining the Pac? But, they are joining the MTN! They could add GCU, Devry, So New Hampshire U, National University....why should we care? They could really corner the Arizona market by grabbing University of Phoenix š |
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Post by zbt69 on Nov 4, 2024 13:36:46 GMT -8
Why is this even on an Aztec board? Who cares what MWC does after we leave?
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Post by LostAztec on Nov 5, 2024 5:33:17 GMT -8
Maybe, I could see u all getting ur panty hose in a wad if they were joining the Pac? But, they are joining the MTN! They could add GCU, Devry, So New Hampshire U, National University....why should we care? Just glad we went to the PAC, as I do not support be affiliated with GCU in any manner. Engaging in the same Academic Elitism that State was victim of re the Pac. Absolutely priceless. |
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Post by hoobs on Nov 5, 2024 7:44:57 GMT -8
Just glad we went to the PAC, as I do not support be affiliated with GCU in any manner. Engaging in the same Academic Elitism that State was victim of re the Pac. Absolutely priceless. For...... like the 3rd or 4th time... "Academic Elitism" is different than not wanting to associate in a conference with GCU because it is very much arguably a for-profit company masquerading as a non-profit academic institution. Having said that, I will admit my own failure to heed the words of a few posters: Why in the ever-loving f*ck are we bothering with a discussion regarding a conference we are soon not going to be a part of? |
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 5, 2024 7:57:25 GMT -8
Engaging in the same Academic Elitism that State was victim of re the Pac. Absolutely priceless. For...... like the 3rd or 4th time... "Academic Elitism" is different than not wanting to associate in a conference with GCU because it is very much arguably a for-profit company masquerading as a non-profit academic institution. Having said that, I will admit my own failure to heed the words of a few posters: Why in the ever-loving f*ck are we bothering with a discussion regarding a conference we are soon not going to be a part of? this is all that is needed to be said and this post should be shut down. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 5, 2024 8:03:56 GMT -8
In reality, GCU would have added a ālittleā value to the PAC BB brandā¦ I couldnāt care less about how they got to be who they are and what they accept or their āconservatismāā¦
However, they would be about 10th on my listā¦
No big loss
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Post by Den60 on Nov 5, 2024 9:09:32 GMT -8
You GCU haters and Academic snobs crack me up. It's about a sporting alliance. GCU brings competitive and monetary benefit to the MW. They bring one of largest TV markets in the Nation. Period. Their admissions standards would allow them to recruit kids that other schools cannot. That's fine for them, but I don't want to be associated with that type of school. Everything about the place is fake, students are required to attend a certain number of games and things like that. They are the Las Vegas of CBB. It's like going to Vegas and saying you don't need to go to Egypt to see the Great Sphinx of Giza, the Eiffel Tower, Venice or the Statue of Liberty because you pretty much saw that in Vegas. And, given that cheating is legal now, I really don't want to be in a conference with SMU either. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 5, 2024 9:13:26 GMT -8
Maybe, I could see u all getting ur panty hose in a wad if they were joining the Pac? But, they are joining the MTN! They could add GCU, Devry, So New Hampshire U, National University....why should we care? They could really corner the Arizona market by grabbing University of Phoenix š Hey, they even have their own stadium. My son's mother flunked out of SDSU because she couldn't pass econometrics. Didn't tell me until it was too late to fix the damage. She went to work and quickly got noticed and needed a degree to get ahead. So, I told her I would put her through National University. She was worried that she wouldn't pass and I told her that she undoubtedly would as long as my checks cleared. I wasn't really joking that time. Not only did she pass, but she met her second husband there! |
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Post by gocoaztec on Nov 5, 2024 10:34:58 GMT -8
You GCU haters and Academic snobs crack me up. It's about a sporting alliance. GCU brings competitive and monetary benefit to the MW. They bring one of largest TV markets in the Nation. Period. Their admissions standards would allow them to recruit kids that other schools cannot. That's fine for them, but I don't want to be associated with that type of school. Everything about the place is fake, students are required to attend a certain number of games and things like that. They are the Las Vegas of CBB. It's like going to Vegas and saying you don't need to go to Egypt to see the Great Sphinx of Giza, the Eiffel Tower, Venice or the Statue of Liberty because you pretty much saw that in Vegas. And, given that cheating is legal now, I really don't want to be in a conference with SMU either. I donāt have any particular affinity for GCU, but this psot made me curious. From USNWR Acceptance Rate and 6 yr Graduation rate from college factual: SDSU: 34%; 76% CSU: 90%; 69% CSUF: 96%; 65% USU: 94%; 47% WSU: 85%; 64% OSU: 79%; 61% BSU: 84%; 45% GCU: 78%; 35% GCU has the second lowest (but basically tied with Oregon St) acceptance rate, and the lowest 6 year graduation rate. Interestingly, GCUās 4 year graduation rate (34%) is almost identical to their 6 year graduation rate. BTW, BSUās 4 year graduation rate is only 18% and SDSUās four year graduation rate is 35%. Everyone can have their own opinion, but these are the best facts that I could reference quickly. |
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Post by aztech on Nov 5, 2024 11:57:56 GMT -8
In reality, GCU would have added a ālittleā value to the PAC BB brandā¦ I couldnāt care less about how they got to be who they are and what they accept or their āconservatismāā¦ However, they would be about 10th on my listā¦ No big loss What's going to be interesting is how much money they'll allocate for NIL. They could dominate the MWC and get their name out there, which I think is their primary goal. So throwing their money around might be good for the other members since they're used to grabbing those NCAA credits that we've mostly earned. LOL. Not that I give a damn since we're leaving. |
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Post by sdaztec4life on Nov 5, 2024 12:02:09 GMT -8
GCU will join the MWC no later than 2026 and as told by the University, "The extraordinary success story of Grand Canyon and its athletic department began a new chapter on Friday as GCU accepted an invitation to the Mountain West Conference." GCU will join the Mountain West no later than July 1, 2026, but possibly as early as the second quarter of 2025 if permitted under the conference's bylaws. I am glad that the new PAC-12 didn't offer GCU, the for profit, pro MAGA, university that accepts about 90%, but graduates about 30% of students, will provide some stability to the MWC (PHX is a huge DMA), but will also bring in huge NIL budgets and perhaps dominate the MWC (MBB) as SDSU did for the past 20 years. Where did you get GCU'S acceptance rate was at 90%, that they were a "pro MAGA" University? Maybe this should be moved to the Political board since this appears to be part of GCU'S Resistance. |
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