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Post by sdsu2000 on Sept 22, 2024 13:38:54 GMT -8
Memphis has dragged their feet too long so I’m expecting UNLV and Utah State.
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Post by jerry100 on Sept 22, 2024 13:42:25 GMT -8
Any school other than UNLV
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Post by jerry100 on Sept 22, 2024 13:42:44 GMT -8
Any school other than UNLV
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Post by rednblk on Sept 22, 2024 13:51:01 GMT -8
PAC? needs to get as many schools as possible. Become the west region of schools.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 22, 2024 13:53:16 GMT -8
I've been reading between the lines of statements suggesting, as MOW mentioned, that some surprises could be in order.
My preference would be for Stanford and Cal to come back, and I believe that they could negotiate their way out of the ACC GoR easier than the traditional conference schools. It was also reported that the ACC has made a new offer to keep their disaffected members in the fold, which would stabilize the league and reduce the need for the West Coast schools to be there. That said, there seems to be zero smoke on the possibility of a Cardinal/Bear retreat right now, so call it a long-term hope.
I saw some reporting that Memphis/Tulane could be announced as soon as Monday. They don't excite me in particular but appear to be the best available. I'm not really interested in adding more MW schools. Still hoping for basketball/Olympic sports adds of Gonzaga and St Mary's.
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Post by Gundo on Sept 22, 2024 14:27:35 GMT -8
NTSA - Why did you blend North Texas State, with the University of Texas San Antonio? Typo, more or less, then a brain fade. I'd go with UTSA over NTSU if there had to be a choice for Texas. But, I doubt it comes down them. I am pretty sure that UTSA is earning a half share as this is there first season in the AAC, unlike USF, Memphis and Tulane. North Texas is also new to the AAC entering in 2022. If the PAC takes, Tulane, Memphis & UTSA, does the AAC respond by offering Air Force, Liberty, App State or Toledo on the backfill? |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 22, 2024 14:30:26 GMT -8
PAC? needs to get as many schools as possible. Become the west region of schools. Nine for football would be optimal. Add Gonzaga as #10 for all other sports. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 22, 2024 14:31:38 GMT -8
Memphis has dragged their feet too long so I’m expecting UNLV and Utah State. It's been just a week. Have patience. |
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Post by AzTex on Sept 22, 2024 14:57:01 GMT -8
Any school other than UNLV I believe that UNLV is the best of the remaining MW teams for us to invite to the PAC. Other than San Jose they are the lowest altitude teams left and the best for easy travel. Apparently the bulk of Aztec Mesa members agree based on the poll above. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 22, 2024 18:39:05 GMT -8
Memphis has dragged their feet too long so I’m expecting UNLV and Utah State. It's crucial to recognize that no individual school currently under consideration has declined membership in the PAC. Technically, schools have until July 1, 2025, to make their decision. However, securing a Grant of Rights agreement with the institutions, as well as finalizing a Media Rights deal with networks and streaming platforms, will require timely decisions and alignment across all parties.
Many say that there is a 48-72 hour window for the AAC teams to finalize their PAC invitations. Let's see what happens by the end of the week, and not draw conclusions on UNLV & Utah State, let the process take its course. Tulane and Memphis are long time members of the AAC and have more at stake than UTSA or NTSU, those schools are making half shares and have no other P4 options. Memphis has been under consideration since 2003 for various promotions, remember the Big East? Tulane was once a member of the SEC, Rice a member of the Southwest conference.
In 1966, Tulane left the SEC due to concerns about the increasing emphasis on athletics, particularly football, and to focus more on academics and other sports (also, a few Civil Rights battles.) Rice was a charter member of the SWC, competing from 1915 until the conference disbanded in 1996. They joined the WAC, where they competed from 1996 to 2004, and moved to Conference USA in 2005 and remained there until 2022. In 2023, Rice joined the American Athletic Conference, where they currently compete. Moves are coming fast and quickly now-a-day, but not overnight.
So many issues drive realignment, lets let it play out.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 22, 2024 18:42:14 GMT -8
Any school other than UNLV I believe that UNLV is the best of the remaining MW teams for us to invite to the PAC. Other than San Jose they are the lowest altitude teams left and the best for easy travel. Apparently the bulk of Aztec Mesa members agree based on the poll above. If it HAS to be another MWC team. Sigh. |
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Post by fisherville on Sept 22, 2024 18:46:58 GMT -8
It’ll matter on how much of the exit fees the pac12 will be willing to pay the aac schools. But i do believe memphis/tulane are our top options and unlv is more of a backup plan
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Post by walkonfan on Sept 22, 2024 20:29:04 GMT -8
 I suggest UNLV (only if the PaC 12 conference football and basketball champions are not held there unless UNLV is involved). Or suggest Hawaii, give them a PAC 12 share and you will see what some investment in Hawaii Football will generate, they are planning a new Stadium on the old Stadium site. Lets keep the PAC 12 a west region conference... Hawaii is a sleeping giant just like SDSU was (before it awakened)...walkonfan..
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 22, 2024 21:27:59 GMT -8
I suggest UNLV (only if the PaC 12 conference football and basketball champions are not held there unless UNLV is involved). Or suggest Hawaii, give them a PAC 12 share and you will see what some investment in Hawaii Football will generate, they are planning a new Stadium on the old Stadium site. Lets keep the PAC 12 a west region conference... Hawaii is a sleeping giant just like SDSU was (before it awakened)...walkonfan.. UNLV made a terrible mistake in moving to the Raider Stadium, their revenue capabilities are very severely hamstrung. It was a move indicative a university looking to not invest. It’s even money if Hawaii actually gets a new stadium and when the do. They will be playing in a facility owned by a government tourist district. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 22, 2024 22:00:33 GMT -8
I suggest UNLV (only if the PaC 12 conference football and basketball champions are not held there unless UNLV is involved). Or suggest Hawaii, give them a PAC 12 share and you will see what some investment in Hawaii Football will generate, they are planning a new Stadium on the old Stadium site. Lets keep the PAC 12 a west region conference... Hawaii is a sleeping giant just like SDSU was (before it awakened)...walkonfan.. UNLV made a terrible mistake in moving to the Raider Stadium, their revenue capabilities are very severely hamstrung. It was a move indicative a university looking to not invest. It’s even money if Hawaii actually gets a new stadium and when the do. They will be playing in a facility owned by a government tourist district. I don't see Hawaii as an option, they've been subsidized by the MW for years, playing all other sports in the Big West. Could you imagine Hawaii vs So Florida at 9,400 miles, or New Orleans or Memphis at 8,400+ miles. So much for taking the bus. |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 23, 2024 4:14:12 GMT -8
I wouldn't put my faith in Calford coming back. If that was considered even semi-likely then the PAC wouldn't have added Fresno and Boise.
They have to get to 8 somehow, Fresno and Boise are necessary. The ACC is going to implode, CAL is going to implode financially due to their stadium deal and the expense of traveling to the East Coast for a million sports. Both schools are going to get weaker recruiting in Olympic sports as a result of being in the ACC. They will both come back to the PAC. Both Memphis and Tulane are in cities on the Mississippi. Travel to them is certainly not harder than what we've had to deal, and to a larger extent, with in the MWC.
True, but why are we trying to get back to that type of travel? On some level, I think that most people are seeing what has happened in other conferences that have obtained a wider geographical footprint, and are saying 'okay, the PAC is going to follow suit by picking up the two best G6 schools, Memphis and Tulane.' I don't see that model as sustainable for the weaker conferences. It can work for the BIG10 and the SEC, because they are bringing in a ton of revenue, but I don't see it working for the PAC at 10-15M per school. The ACC is going to implode from these lawsuits, and CAL will take advantage of the opportunity to go back to the PAC, and Stanford will follow. Then the media deal will get renegotiated to 20-25M, and they will be much happier. I also don't get the Texas St. love. The American is superior to the Sub Belt conference. While Memphis and Tulane our our top choices, if we need a third in Texas I see UTSA, UNT and Rice better targets than Texas St.Good alumni base, good football school, stadium was renovated a decade or so ago, I see them as equals to those other Texas schools that you just mentioned. FWIW, to anyone that lives in Texas, all four of those schools play second fiddle to UT (and Texas A&M for that matter). Flight times, SD to... San Antonio: 2hr 45m New Orleans: 3hr 35m Memphis: 3hr 40m Denver: 2hr 25m (+ 1hr drive to Fort Collins) Portland: 2hr 35m (+ 1hr drive to Corvalis) The fact that you don't have to take a bus for an hour+ to get to Memphis or Tulane makes those schools pretty much equal to most of our future conference mates... |
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Post by gentlesaztec on Sept 23, 2024 4:28:28 GMT -8
My guess is if the AAC schools don't jump this week, it will be UNLV and Texas State.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 23, 2024 6:07:23 GMT -8
My guess is if the AAC schools don't jump this week, it will be UNLV and Texas State. The texas schools are SJSU equivalents. They reside in a great market but deliver very little of the market. If we are going to take on dead media weight, them keep it regional. |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 23, 2024 6:41:48 GMT -8
My guess is if the AAC schools don't jump this week, it will be UNLV and Texas State. The texas schools are SJSU equivalents. They reside in a great market but deliver very little of the market. If we are going to take on dead media weight, them keep it regional. Yeah, I'm faarrrr from convinced that, for example, UTSA 'carries the San Antonio media market'. |
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Post by docmm on Sept 23, 2024 8:09:25 GMT -8
Any school other than UNLV But NOT Utah State, New Mexico or Air Force. |
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I suggest UNLV (only if the PaC 12 conference football and basketball champions are not held there unless UNLV is involved). Or suggest Hawaii, give them a PAC 12 share and you will see what some investment in Hawaii Football will generate, they are planning a new Stadium on the old Stadium site. Lets keep the PAC 12 a west region conference... Hawaii is a sleeping giant just like SDSU was (before it awakened)...walkonfan.. 
