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Post by Den60 on Sept 14, 2024 11:52:32 GMT -8
Was spurred by a post on another board.
The Monty Show said that this was a full scale hostile takeover of the MWC by the PAC. The PAC stops short of taking UNLV in order to negotiate terms of surrender. The MWC knows they are in a bad place so why not give them an outlet for a "soft landing." What if the PAC were to take 5 from the MWC and 5 from the AAC so as to create a way for the AAC and MWC merge? Obviously, exit fees would make taking so many too expensive for the PAC, at least in the short term. But it would be something the PAC would do with better exit terms from aggrieved conferences. I would think such a merger would be worth something close to what they are getting now. Work out a deal whereas each PAC team will play a FB game against a MWC/ACC team each year.
We'd have a conference that looks like"
West
1. SDSU (We have to be on top)
2. OSU
3. WSU
4. UNLV
5. Fresno
6. Boise St.
East
1. CSU
2. Memphis
3. Tulane
4. USF(FB)/Gonzaga
5. UTSA
6. UNT OR Rice
That is truly a "Best of the Rest" conference.
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Post by standiego on Sept 14, 2024 11:58:48 GMT -8
what are the exit fees for the schools ?
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Post by Den60 on Sept 14, 2024 12:03:27 GMT -8
what are the exit fees for the schools ? That is what is being negotiated this very minute. How do I know that? Because you ain't hearing squat from either side right now. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. It sure as hell ain't going to be $111M. |
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 14, 2024 14:17:18 GMT -8
Was spurred by a post on another board. The Monty Show said that this was a full scale hostile takeover of the MWC by the PAC. The PAC stops short of taking UNLV in order to negotiate terms of surrender. The MWC knows they are in a bad place so why not give them an outlet for a "soft landing." What if the PAC were to take 5 from the MWC and 5 from the AAC so as to create a way for the AAC and MWC merge? Obviously, exit fees would make taking so many too expensive for the PAC, at least in the short term. But it would be something the PAC would do with better exit terms from aggrieved conferences. I would think such a merger would be worth something close to what they are getting now. Work out a deal whereas each PAC team will play a FB game against a MWC/ACC team each year. We'd have a conference that looks like" West 1. SDSU (We have to be on top) 2. OSU 3. WSU 4. UNLV 6. Boise St. East 1. CSU 2. Memphis 3. Tulane 4. USF(FB)/Gonzaga 5. UTSA 6. UNT OR Rice That is truly a "Best of the Rest" conference. What happened to Fresno State? Kicked out? |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 14, 2024 14:34:30 GMT -8
OSU’s AD said they are adding 2 to 4 more schools and the schools must play football.
I think it’s going to be UNLV and UTSA. If it’s 4 then it Memphis and Tulane.
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Post by azteclou on Sept 14, 2024 14:50:40 GMT -8
I’m reading the reason UNLV wasn’t taken now was political. Nevada Board of Regents doesn’t want to separate UNLV and Nevada. Makes sense
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Post by laaztec on Sept 14, 2024 15:07:05 GMT -8
I’m reading the reason UNLV wasn’t taken now was political. Nevada Board of Regents doesn’t want to separate UNLV and Nevada. Makes sense That’s correct. They will work it out and UNLV will be in. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 14, 2024 15:43:14 GMT -8
what are the exit fees for the schools AAC programs are required to give the conference a 27-month notice and pay a $10,000,000 exit fee, if Schools give less than 27 months, that fee rises to $18,000,000 per team. Please note: Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, North Texas & Rice, are all AAC teams. So my question would be, what is the PAC's pitch to the AAC schools who would be making a lateral move, with worse chances to make the CFP playoffs, and have to pay $18MM more to do so. The AAC's broadcast payouts are about $8MM, nearly double that of the MWC. The CFP playoff structure is another reason why poaching schools from the AAC makes sense for the PAC. Weaken that conference and the PAC strengthens its hold on one of those five ‘conference champion’ CFP berths. That may be the pitch to the AAC schools. However, the GOR and media payout opportunity is less for the AAC teams vs MWC. |
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Post by Old School on Sept 14, 2024 15:46:03 GMT -8
UNLV may a have a nice Vegas media market but the school is not known for it's brains.
So, which is more important to the PAC? Media revenue or scholastic prestige?
Oldie Out
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Post by Gundo on Sept 14, 2024 15:50:43 GMT -8
I’m reading the reason UNLV wasn’t taken now was political. Nevada Board of Regents doesn’t want to separate UNLV and Nevada. Makes sense Yes, this is true. This is from Canzano who verified and validated this 3 days ago. • One of the first text messages I got on Wednesday night as the news of the Pac-12 expansion news was breaking came from a Division I college football coach. He was stumped: “Why not UNLV???” • Answer: There are politics at play in Nevada. UNLV falls within the jurisdiction of the Nevada System of Higher Education and its Board of Regents. Would that entity allow UNLV/Nevada to be separated? The Pac-12 will explore, I’m sure. |
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Post by Frantic on Sept 14, 2024 15:54:08 GMT -8
UNLV may a have a nice Vegas media market but the school is not known for it's brains. So, which is more important to the PAC? Media revenue or scholastic prestige? Oldie Out For what it's worth, Forbes ranks UNLV at #286. SDSU is #77 Oregon St. is #119 Wash. St. is #144 Fresno is #185 Colorado St. is #330 Boise St. is the stupidest at #353 www.forbes.com/top-colleges/ |
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Post by AzTex on Sept 14, 2024 15:54:36 GMT -8
UNLV may a have a nice Vegas media market but the school is not known for it's brains. So, which is more important to the PAC? Media revenue or scholastic prestige? Oldie Out Boise State was included in the new PAC. That should answer your question. |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 14, 2024 16:00:43 GMT -8
UNLV may a have a nice Vegas media market but the school is not known for it's brains. So, which is more important to the PAC? Media revenue or scholastic prestige? Oldie Out Boise State was included in the new PAC. That should answer your question. Well Boise is the best JC in the country right? |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 14, 2024 16:05:41 GMT -8
UNLV may a have a nice Vegas media market but the school is not known for it's brains. So, which is more important to the PAC? Media revenue or scholastic prestige? Oldie Out For what it's worth, Forbes ranks UNLV at #286. SDSU is #77 Oregon St. is #119 Wash. St. is #144 Fresno is #185 Colorado St. is #330 Boise St. is the stupidest at #353 www.forbes.com/top-colleges/5 (maybe 6) more reason's why CAL & Stanford aren't ditching their ACC GOR to run back to the new PAC. Stanford #2 CAL #5 |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Sept 14, 2024 16:12:26 GMT -8
UNLV may a have a nice Vegas media market but the school is not known for it's brains. So, which is more important to the PAC? Media revenue or scholastic prestige? Oldie Out Boise State was included in the new PAC. That should answer your question. Just so... As an attorney acquaintance is fond of saying: "That question has been asked and answered!" |
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Post by AzTex on Sept 14, 2024 16:59:37 GMT -8
Boise State was included in the new PAC. That should answer your question. Well Boise is the best JC in the country right? Probably not. I'm sure there are some better right in San Diego County. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 14, 2024 19:00:43 GMT -8
Was spurred by a post on another board. The Monty Show said that this was a full scale hostile takeover of the MWC by the PAC. The PAC stops short of taking UNLV in order to negotiate terms of surrender. The MWC knows they are in a bad place so why not give them an outlet for a "soft landing." What if the PAC were to take 5 from the MWC and 5 from the AAC so as to create a way for the AAC and MWC merge? Obviously, exit fees would make taking so many too expensive for the PAC, at least in the short term. But it would be something the PAC would do with better exit terms from aggrieved conferences. I would think such a merger would be worth something close to what they are getting now. Work out a deal whereas each PAC team will play a FB game against a MWC/ACC team each year. We'd have a conference that looks like" West 1. SDSU (We have to be on top) 2. OSU 3. WSU 4. UNLV 6. Boise St. East 1. CSU 2. Memphis 3. Tulane 4. USF(FB)/Gonzaga 5. UTSA 6. UNT OR Rice That is truly a "Best of the Rest" conference. What happened to Fresno State? Kicked out? I couldn't spell it. |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 14, 2024 20:34:42 GMT -8
What happened to Fresno State? Kicked out? I couldn't spell it. Fresno in the West, move UNLV to the East and kick out UNT/Rice. BTW, divisions are no longer en vogue. An informal setup like that could help with scheduling, though. |
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Post by missiontrails on Sept 14, 2024 21:41:46 GMT -8
UNLV may a have a nice Vegas media market but the school is not known for it's brains. So, which is more important to the PAC? Media revenue or scholastic prestige? Oldie Out For what it's worth, Forbes ranks UNLV at #286. SDSU is #77 Oregon St. is #119 Wash. St. is #144 Fresno is #185 Colorado St. is #330 Boise St. is the stupidest at #353 www.forbes.com/top-colleges/How the heck did Colorado State drop so far? I thought, academically anyway, they've always been rated higher than SDSU? Take that with a grain of salt, as I don't follow those rankings that closely. But I swear that's what I recall. Boise's ranking, I fully understand.  |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 15, 2024 12:16:32 GMT -8
For what it's worth, Forbes ranks UNLV at #286. SDSU is #77 Oregon St. is #119 Wash. St. is #144 Fresno is #185 Colorado St. is #330 Boise St. is the stupidest at #353 www.forbes.com/top-colleges/How the heck did Colorado State drop so far? I thought, academically anyway, they've always been rated higher than SDSU? Take that with a grain of salt, as I don't follow those rankings that closely. But I swear that's what I recall. Boise's ranking, I fully understand. Forbes is strong on things like how much you make 10 years after graduation, how much student debt you took on, graduation rate etc., a lot of ROI parameters in which SDSU is very strong. The parameter that is weighted the highest, is alumni salary. USN&WR isn 't really a good source for rating the academics or academic value of a university. |
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