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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 6, 2024 20:57:37 GMT -8
aztecmusician is a troll, getting closer and closer to further punitive action. The idea that the 2020 election was not investigated is a statement in utterly bad faith. 60+ court cases - and at none of them was any evidence of election fraud presented. Judges practically begged for evidence, but none was presented. Wild theories were presented, but no evidence to indicate that there was any basis to believe that they were anything more than bad fiction. There were recounts - including an Arizona recount done SOLELY by Republicans that found Biden actually won by MORE votes than the initial count showed. So if the Republicans own investigation/recount came back showing Biden won by even more than initially thought how the hell can you say that election wasn't valid? A trolling answer would be a bad choice at this point.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 6, 2024 21:07:49 GMT -8
aztecmusician is a troll, getting closer and closer to further punitive action. The idea that the 2020 election was not investigated is a statement in utterly bad faith. 60+ court cases - and at none of them was any evidence of election fraud presented. Judges practically begged for evidence, but none was presented. Wild theories were presented, but no evidence to indicate that there was any basis to believe that they were anything more than bad fiction. There were recounts - including an Arizona recount done SOLELY by Republicans that found Biden actually won by MORE votes than the initial count showed. So if the Republicans own investigation/recount came back showing Biden won by even more than initially thought how the hell can you say that election wasn't valid? A trolling answer would be a bad choice at this point. Don't be biased Erik. Don't let your emotions take you to where you'll ban someone based on them having a different opinion than you. There are MANY people that believe the way Aztecmusician does. It's not trolling if he's speaking his true beliefs. If there were more people who contributed to this particular forum, you would probably have to ban quite a few of them, as well. Separate someone's opinion, from what you think is trolling, just because he has a different opinion than yours. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2024 21:34:48 GMT -8
aztecmusician is a troll, getting closer and closer to further punitive action. The idea that the 2020 election was not investigated is a statement in utterly bad faith. 60+ court cases - and at none of them was any evidence of election fraud presented. Judges practically begged for evidence, but none was presented. Wild theories were presented, but no evidence to indicate that there was any basis to believe that they were anything more than bad fiction. There were recounts - including an Arizona recount done SOLELY by Republicans that found Biden actually won by MORE votes than the initial count showed. So if the Republicans own investigation/recount came back showing Biden won by even more than initially thought how the hell can you say that election wasn't valid? A trolling answer would be a bad choice at this point. Don't be biased Erik. Don't let your emotions take you to where you'll ban someone based on them having a different opinion than you. There are MANY people that believe the way Aztecmusician does. It's not trolling if he's speaking his true beliefs. If there were more people who contributed to this particular forum, you would probably have to ban quite a few of them, as well. Separate someone's opinion, from what you think is trolling, just because he has a different opinion than yours. If you don't think that's trolling, I don't know what you'd look for. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 6, 2024 21:53:43 GMT -8
aztecmusician is a troll, getting closer and closer to further punitive action. The idea that the 2020 election was not investigated is a statement in utterly bad faith. 60+ court cases - and at none of them was any evidence of election fraud presented. Judges practically begged for evidence, but none was presented. Wild theories were presented, but no evidence to indicate that there was any basis to believe that they were anything more than bad fiction. There were recounts - including an Arizona recount done SOLELY by Republicans that found Biden actually won by MORE votes than the initial count showed. So if the Republicans own investigation/recount came back showing Biden won by even more than initially thought how the hell can you say that election wasn't valid? A trolling answer would be a bad choice at this point. Don't be biased Erik. Don't let your emotions take you to where you'll ban someone based on them having a different opinion than you. There are MANY people that believe the way Aztecmusician does. It's not trolling if he's speaking his true beliefs. If there were more people who contributed to this particular forum, you would probably have to ban quite a few of them, as well. Separate someone's opinion, from what you think is trolling, just because he has a different opinion than yours. It's stuff that can be proven to be false. Propaganda, more or less, from the Trump people. Easily disproven. So promoting things that are easily disproven is debating in bad faith, ie: trolling. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 6, 2024 22:06:07 GMT -8
Don't be biased Erik. Don't let your emotions take you to where you'll ban someone based on them having a different opinion than you. There are MANY people that believe the way Aztecmusician does. It's not trolling if he's speaking his true beliefs. If there were more people who contributed to this particular forum, you would probably have to ban quite a few of them, as well. Separate someone's opinion, from what you think is trolling, just because he has a different opinion than yours. It's stuff that can be proven to be false. Propaganda, more or less, from the Trump people. Easily disproven. So promoting things that are easily disproven is debating in bad faith, ie: trolling. Well, many Trump backers have their reasons for not believing this or that. Right or wrong, it's just their opinion. I don't think Aztecmusician is saying these things because he doesn't believe what he's saying. I think that's the difference. I would say the same thing about a Harris, or Biden backer. I've read some ridiculous, favorable posts s about them, but I don't think they should be banned. For instance election fraud. People sincerely believe there was that, even though it's been disproven, but they have their theories as to why that's not correct. There's conspiracy theorists out there that sincerely believe all kinds of things, and are not trolling. Aztecnails comes to mind. He has the right to believe what he wants to, and express it. He shouldn't be banned for that. There are some individuals on here who say some pretty nasty things to these posters, but crickets on that. Be consistent is all I'm saying. Freedom of speech, right? |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2024 22:13:31 GMT -8
It's stuff that can be proven to be false. Propaganda, more or less, from the Trump people. Easily disproven. So promoting things that are easily disproven is debating in bad faith, ie: trolling. Well, many Trump backers have their reasons for not believing this or that. Right or wrong, it's just their opinion. I don't think Aztecmusician is saying these things because he doesn't believe what he's saying. I think that's the difference. I would say the same thing about a Harris, or Biden backer. I've read some ridiculous, favorable posts s about them, but I don't think they should be banned. There's conspiracy theorists out there that sincerely believe all kinds of things, and are not trolling. Aztecnails comes to mind. He has the right to believe what he wants to, and express it. He shouldn't be banned for that. There are some individuals on here who say some pretty nasty things to these posters, but crickets on that. Be consistent is all I'm saying. Freedom of speech, right? That's not how that works...in the slightest. If I said it's my opinion that Kamala Harris can't run for president because I don't think she's an American citizen....my opinion is outright racist and easily proven false. If I said I didn't believe Kamala was Black, based on the decision of Dred Scott, that's also completely racist and equally false. Promoting conspiracy theories (election fraud, anti-vax material, etc) isn't having an opinion, it's complete bull$#!+. Period. To say that there was no investigation into election fraud is, likewise, complete bull$#!+. It was adjudicated all over the country. Whether you believe it or not is completely irrelevant...it just means you've been indoctrinated into a cult. It doesn't make the information true. If you troll the board, you deserve what you get. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 6, 2024 22:17:14 GMT -8
Well, many Trump backers have their reasons for not believing this or that. Right or wrong, it's just their opinion. I don't think Aztecmusician is saying these things because he doesn't believe what he's saying. I think that's the difference. I would say the same thing about a Harris, or Biden backer. I've read some ridiculous, favorable posts s about them, but I don't think they should be banned. There's conspiracy theorists out there that sincerely believe all kinds of things, and are not trolling. Aztecnails comes to mind. He has the right to believe what he wants to, and express it. He shouldn't be banned for that. There are some individuals on here who say some pretty nasty things to these posters, but crickets on that. Be consistent is all I'm saying. Freedom of speech, right? That's not how that works...in the slightest. If I said it's my opinion that Kamala Harris can't run for president because I don't think she's an American citizen....my opinion is outright racist and easily proven false. If I said I didn't believe Kamala was Black, based on the decision of Dred Scott, that's also completely racist and equally false. Promoting conspiracy theories (election fraud, anti-vax material, etc) isn't having an opinion, it's complete bull$#!+. Period. To say that there was no investigation into election fraud is, likewise, complete bull$#!+. It was adjudicated all over the country. Whether you believe it or not is completely irrelevant...it just means you've been indoctrinated into a cult. It doesn't make the information true. If you troll the board, you deserve what you get. To me, it would be trolling if they didn't sincerely believe what they are posting. I don't think they're posting to get a reaction. I think they believe what they are saying. That's the difference to me. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 6, 2024 22:19:42 GMT -8
It's stuff that can be proven to be false. Propaganda, more or less, from the Trump people. Easily disproven. So promoting things that are easily disproven is debating in bad faith, ie: trolling. Well, many Trump backers have their reasons for not believing this or that. Right or wrong, it's just their opinion. I don't think Aztecmusician is saying these things because he doesn't believe what he's saying. I think that's the difference. I would say the same thing about a Harris, or Biden backer. I've read some ridiculous, favorable posts s about them, but I don't think they should be banned. For instance election fraud. People sincerely believe there was that, even though it's been disproven, but they have their theories as to why that's not correct. There's conspiracy theorists out there that sincerely believe all kinds of things, and are not trolling. Aztecnails comes to mind. He has the right to believe what he wants to, and express it. He shouldn't be banned for that. There are some individuals on here who say some pretty nasty things to these posters, but crickets on that. Be consistent is all I'm saying. Freedom of speech, right? It's either trolling or incredible stupidity. And there is no freedom of speech here. There are rules and limits. AztecMusician is reaching them. Ryan is right - stating that the election wasn't investigated is just a blatant political lie told in bad faith. Propaganda. Trolling. Or stupidity on a level that is just unacceptable. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2024 22:34:50 GMT -8
That's not how that works...in the slightest. If I said it's my opinion that Kamala Harris can't run for president because I don't think she's an American citizen....my opinion is outright racist and easily proven false. If I said I didn't believe Kamala was Black, based on the decision of Dred Scott, that's also completely racist and equally false. Promoting conspiracy theories (election fraud, anti-vax material, etc) isn't having an opinion, it's complete bull$#!+. Period. To say that there was no investigation into election fraud is, likewise, complete bull$#!+. It was adjudicated all over the country. Whether you believe it or not is completely irrelevant...it just means you've been indoctrinated into a cult. It doesn't make the information true. If you troll the board, you deserve what you get. To me, it would be trolling if they didn't sincerely believe what they are posting. I don't think they're posting to get a reaction. I think they believe what they are saying. That's the difference to me. That's not a thing. Again, if I believed things that were obviously false and have been demonstrated over and over again to be false, that's trolling. I don't care how much you believe it. You can either defend your stance or you can't. And the OP has repeated the same lies over and over, literally dozens of times. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 6, 2024 22:36:25 GMT -8
And now it has been announced that DICK Cheney is also voting for Kamala Harris.
Dick Cheney is Republican royalty. Chief of Staff under President Ford. Secretary of Defense. Congressman. Vice President of the United States. A die-hard Republican. A staunch conservative.
And he's voting for Kamala Harris.
Sure, try to call HIM a RINO. Look like a fool doing it!
Oh, and runor has it that George W. Bush is voting for Harris.
200 former Republican White House staffers - including Cabinet Members - are voting for Harris. Anyone who isn't a full on Republican Cult Member is voting for Harris.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 6, 2024 23:27:32 GMT -8
 You need to use the emoji.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 6, 2024 23:59:12 GMT -8
That's not how that works...in the slightest. If I said it's my opinion that Kamala Harris can't run for president because I don't think she's an American citizen....my opinion is outright racist and easily proven false. If I said I didn't believe Kamala was Black, based on the decision of Dred Scott, that's also completely racist and equally false. Promoting conspiracy theories (election fraud, anti-vax material, etc) isn't having an opinion, it's complete bull$#!+. Period. To say that there was no investigation into election fraud is, likewise, complete bull$#!+. It was adjudicated all over the country. Whether you believe it or not is completely irrelevant...it just means you've been indoctrinated into a cult. It doesn't make the information true. If you troll the board, you deserve what you get. To me, it would be trolling if they didn't sincerely believe what they are posting. I don't think they're posting to get a reaction. I think they believe what they are saying. That's the difference to me. I think that it's important to allow conspiracy theories, but within reason. Conspiracy theories around elections that have been thoroughly investigated by bipartisan and independent groups is just unnecessary. There should also be a higher standard when the conspiracy involves something so foundational to our country (voting). |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 7, 2024 0:14:23 GMT -8
You need to use the emoji. I stooped using emojis when I was 17. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 7, 2024 0:47:59 GMT -8
You need to use the emoji. I stooped using emojis when I was 17. Emojis didn't exist when I was 17.  |
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 7, 2024 1:04:27 GMT -8
Well, many Trump backers have their reasons for not believing this or that. Right or wrong, it's just their opinion. I don't think Aztecmusician is saying these things because he doesn't believe what he's saying. I think that's the difference. I would say the same thing about a Harris, or Biden backer. I've read some ridiculous, favorable posts s about them, but I don't think they should be banned. For instance election fraud. People sincerely believe there was that, even though it's been disproven, but they have their theories as to why that's not correct. There's conspiracy theorists out there that sincerely believe all kinds of things, and are not trolling. Aztecnails comes to mind. He has the right to believe what he wants to, and express it. He shouldn't be banned for that. There are some individuals on here who say some pretty nasty things to these posters, but crickets on that. Be consistent is all I'm saying. Freedom of speech, right? It's either trolling or incredible stupidity. And there is no freedom of speech here. There are rules and limits. AztecMusician is reaching them. Ryan is right - stating that the election wasn't investigated is just a blatant political lie told in bad faith. Propaganda. Trolling. Or stupidity on a level that is just unacceptable. This will be my last post until at least after the election. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and responses. No hard feelings, Go Aztecs! |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 7, 2024 8:15:40 GMT -8
It's either trolling or incredible stupidity. And there is no freedom of speech here. There are rules and limits. AztecMusician is reaching them. Ryan is right - stating that the election wasn't investigated is just a blatant political lie told in bad faith. Propaganda. Trolling. Or stupidity on a level that is just unacceptable. This will be my last post until at least after the election. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and responses. No hard feelings, Go Aztecs! You don't have to stop posting. You just have to stop trolling and posting obvious, verifiable lies. We'd rather have you contributing if you can do so in good faith. That's been my hope. It's up to you. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 7, 2024 8:24:13 GMT -8
It's either trolling or incredible stupidity. And there is no freedom of speech here. There are rules and limits. AztecMusician is reaching them. Ryan is right - stating that the election wasn't investigated is just a blatant political lie told in bad faith. Propaganda. Trolling. Or stupidity on a level that is just unacceptable. This will be my last post until at least after the election. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and responses. No hard feelings, Go Aztecs! See you tomorrow. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 7, 2024 8:25:10 GMT -8
This will be my last post until at least after the election. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and responses. No hard feelings, Go Aztecs! You don't have to stop posting. You just have to stop trolling and posting obvious, verifiable lies. We'd rather have you contributing if you can do so in good faith. That's been my hope. It's up to you. My hope as well. I don't want to live in an echo chamber. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 7, 2024 9:03:20 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 7, 2024 9:20:55 GMT -8
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