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Post by North County Aztec on Jul 21, 2024 14:21:05 GMT -8
There's going to be an incredible Movie/Miniseries in the future, about anything and everything concerning the Presidents and the Candidates since 2016. Maybe Barry and Big Mike can fund it and produce it.
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Post by North County Aztec on Jul 21, 2024 14:21:58 GMT -8
I'd like to credit Joe Biden for putting his country over his personal politics and having the fortitude to step away, even if I hate how the conclusion came to pass. Give him credit for deceiving the nation and his party. He has earned zero. Come on, you can do better than that.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 21, 2024 14:30:18 GMT -8
There will probably be an open vote on the floor between a few different candidates. In 1976, Ronald Reagan challenged Gerald Ford who became the president after Nixon resigned. The individual delegates from each state announced their votes on the convention floor. Ford narrowly held off Reagan and the conservatives.
I imagine something like this could happen in a few weeks with a few of the frontrunners put forward for nomination. The candidate could be decided on a vote from the floor.
It probably depends if the behind the scenes party leaders think Harris has a reasonable shot of defeating Trump. That is their priority NUMERO UNO. If Obama and the other Dem powerbrokers and financiers don’t believe Kamala Harris has a good chance of winning, they will push for someone else.
Remember, this is desperation time for the Democratic Party. They are staring down the barrel of a two year period of a Republican controlled House, Senate, White House AND a Supreme Court which is right leaning.
That is completely unacceptable to them. Expect the anti Trump rhetoric from the media to be intensified (I’m not sure how that is possible, it’s been at 11 for quite some time) and the mud slinging to be elevated to mud carpet bombing.
This will be a very entertaining DNC convention.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 14:35:55 GMT -8
Yes, but the guy didn't have any choice. Who knows if he's pissed that he pretty much HAD to do it. He absolutely had a choice. To say otherwise ignores the reality of the delegates. Not everything needs you to diminish it. Ryan, don't start talking about diminishing things. You have a pretty darn good grasp of doing that. Anyway, what I was talking about is the funding. Once the big funding stops coming in, it's over. That's I said he pretty much had no choice.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 21, 2024 14:36:11 GMT -8
There will probably be an open vote on the floor between a few different candidates. In 1976, Ronald Reagan challenged Gerald Ford who became the president after Nixon resigned. The individual delegates from each state announced their votes on the convention floor. Ford narrowly held off Reagan and the conservatives. I imagine something like this could happen in a few weeks with a few of the frontrunners put forward for nomination. The candidate could be decided on a vote from the floor. It probably depends if the behind the scenes party leaders think Harris has a reasonable shot of defeating Trump. That is their priority NUMERO UNO. If Obama and the other Dem powerbrokers and financiers don’t believe Kamala Harris has a good chance of winning, they will push for someone else. Remember, this is desperation time for the Democratic Party. They are staring down the barrel of a two year period of a Republican controlled House, Senate, White House AND a Supreme Court which is right leaning. That is completely unacceptable to them. Expect the anti Trump rhetoric from the media to be intensified (I’m not sure how that is possible, it’s been at 11 for quite some time) and the mud slinging to be elevated to mud carpet bombing. This will be a very entertaining DNC convention. I think the wheels come off if they try to nominate anyone but Kamala.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 14:38:40 GMT -8
There will probably be an open vote on the floor between a few different candidates. In 1976, Ronald Reagan challenged Gerald Ford who became the president after Nixon resigned. The individual delegates from each state announced their votes on the convention floor. Ford narrowly held off Reagan and the conservatives. I imagine something like this could happen in a few weeks with a few of the frontrunners put forward for nomination. The candidate could be decided on a vote from the floor. It probably depends if the behind the scenes party leaders think Harris has a reasonable shot of defeating Trump. That is their priority NUMERO UNO. If Obama and the other Dem powerbrokers and financiers don’t believe Kamala Harris has a good chance of winning, they will push for someone else. Remember, this is desperation time for the Democratic Party. They are staring down the barrel of a two year period of a Republican controlled House, Senate, White House AND a Supreme Court which is right leaning. That is completely unacceptable to them. Expect the anti Trump rhetoric from the media to be intensified (I’m not sure how that is possible, it’s been at 11 for quite some time) and the mud slinging to be elevated to mud carpet bombing. This will be a very entertaining DNC convention. The alternate reality...
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 14:38:47 GMT -8
There will probably be an open vote on the floor between a few different candidates. In 1976, Ronald Reagan challenged Gerald Ford who became the president after Nixon resigned. The individual delegates from each state announced their votes on the convention floor. Ford narrowly held off Reagan and the conservatives. I imagine something like this could happen in a few weeks with a few of the frontrunners put forward for nomination. The candidate could be decided on a vote from the floor. It probably depends if the behind the scenes party leaders think Harris has a reasonable shot of defeating Trump. That is their priority NUMERO UNO. If Obama and the other Dem powerbrokers and financiers don’t believe Kamala Harris has a good chance of winning, they will push for someone else. Remember, this is desperation time for the Democratic Party. They are staring down the barrel of a two year period of a Republican controlled House, Senate, White House AND a Supreme Court which is right leaning. That is completely unacceptable to them. Expect the anti Trump rhetoric from the media to be intensified (I’m not sure how that is possible, it’s been at 11 for quite some time) and the mud slinging to be elevated to mud carpet bombing. This will be a very entertaining DNC convention. I think the wheels come off if they try to nominate anyone but Kamala. Yes, it's gotta be Kamala. She'll run campaigning as the first Black Woman to run for President and say that you can't connect her with Biden on certain topics, because she's her own person, etc....
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 14:40:00 GMT -8
He absolutely had a choice. To say otherwise ignores the reality of the delegates. Not everything needs you to diminish it. Ryan, don't start talking about diminishing things. You have a pretty darn good grasp of doing that. Anyway, what I was talking about is the funding. Once the big funding stops coming in, it's over. That's I said he pretty much had no choice. They had more than enough cash. Trump's legal PAC is near bankrupt, for what it's worth. This is about down ballot pressure, optics and the media influence. Biden could have absolutely gone to the convention with 98% of the delegates having voted for him.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 14:41:27 GMT -8
I'd like to credit Joe Biden for putting his country over his personal politics and having the fortitude to step away, even if I hate how the conclusion came to pass. Give him credit for deceiving the nation and his party. He has earned zero. Come on, you can do better than that. I don't care. Zero moral high ground to be had here if you're not willing to call out the hypocrisy of the Republican side pressing forward with a criminal.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 14:46:07 GMT -8
Elon Musk pledged to not back a candidate in the race, wanting X to be a space for free speech from all sides.
Musk immediately endorsed Trump after the events in Butler and is sending $45M per month to Trump's PAC.
That's not random timing or coincidence.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 15:30:07 GMT -8
Ryan, don't start talking about diminishing things. You have a pretty darn good grasp of doing that. Anyway, what I was talking about is the funding. Once the big funding stops coming in, it's over. That's I said he pretty much had no choice. They had more than enough cash. Trump's legal PAC is near bankrupt, for what it's worth. This is about down ballot pressure, optics and the media influence. Biden could have absolutely gone to the convention with 98% of the delegates having voted for him. I mean, you yourself said that a huge part of it was the fact that they are withholding money. I get it that there's other factors, but you can't run if the money stops coming in.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 15:51:26 GMT -8
They had more than enough cash. Trump's legal PAC is near bankrupt, for what it's worth. This is about down ballot pressure, optics and the media influence. Biden could have absolutely gone to the convention with 98% of the delegates having voted for him. I mean, you yourself said that a huge part of it was the fact that they are withholding money. I get it that there's other factors, but you can't run if the money stops coming in. You misunderstood. The "withholding" of money was directed towards down ballot members of Congress that backed Biden publicly. The actual campaign fund is not what I was talking about. They had raised plenty of money. The Harris fund has raised more than $27M in the last five hours.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 21, 2024 16:16:58 GMT -8
I think the wheels come off if they try to nominate anyone but Kamala. Yes, it's gotta be Kamala. She'll run campaigning as the first Black Woman to run for President and say that you can't connect her with Biden on certain topics, because she's her own person, etc.... If their polling numbers conclude Kamala has no chance of winning, the Democratic Powerbrokers won’t hesitate to kick her to the curb. Remember: The Senate, House, and White House all in Republican hands is a doomsday scenario for the Democrats. Especially now when the GOP seems to have rallied behind Trump. There is nothing off the Dem table right now when it comes to beating Donald Trump.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 16:21:30 GMT -8
Yes, it's gotta be Kamala. She'll run campaigning as the first Black Woman to run for President and say that you can't connect her with Biden on certain topics, because she's her own person, etc.... If their polling numbers conclude Kamala has no chance of winning, the Democratic Powerbrokers won’t hesitate to kick her to the curb. Remember: The Senate, House, and White House all in Republican hands is a doomsday scenario for the Democrats. Especially now when the GOP seems to have rallied behind Trump. There is nothing off the Dem table right now when it comes to beating Donald Trump. Non-stop peddling of conspiracy theories don't really mean what you think they do. You're just lonely, desperate and lost. When has the GOP *not* rallied behind Trump? We've seen what a Republican-led House can do - Very little. Is it fun rooting against the Framers?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 16:51:45 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 16:54:28 GMT -8
I mean, you yourself said that a huge part of it was the fact that they are withholding money. I get it that there's other factors, but you can't run if the money stops coming in. You misunderstood. The "withholding" of money was directed towards down ballot members of Congress that backed Biden publicly. The actual campaign fund is not what I was talking about. They had raised plenty of money. The Harris fund has raised more than $27M in the last five hours. Sure, Harris will raise a lot of money now, but it's not just one person that said that if the money stops coming in from the big donors, Biden is toast. The big donors are definitely going to fund the campaign now since they were heard and the change has been made.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 16:55:02 GMT -8
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 21, 2024 16:56:19 GMT -8
Nikki Haley Voters PAC Announces Support for Kamala Harris"A coalition of former Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley voters pledged their support for Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris' presidential bid on Sunday, hours after President Joe Biden announced that he was dropping out of the race." "Craig Snyder, the group's director, told Newsweek in an email on Sunday afternoon that the organization believes Harris "is best suited to defeat Donald Trump in November." "A tough former prosecutor, the Vice President comes from the centrist wing of the Democratic Party, not it's left most fringe...For Haley voters, all of this puts the Vice President in a sweet spot for them to register their ongoing opposition to [former] President Trump," he said." www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nikki-haley-voters-pac-announces-support-for-kamala-harris/ar-BB1qnx2E?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=ae64b2e58b904cbbb4fa69dd2964dfa9&ei=14
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 16:56:23 GMT -8
Yes, it's gotta be Kamala. She'll run campaigning as the first Black Woman to run for President and say that you can't connect her with Biden on certain topics, because she's her own person, etc.... If their polling numbers conclude Kamala has no chance of winning, the Democratic Powerbrokers won’t hesitate to kick her to the curb. Remember: The Senate, House, and White House all in Republican hands is a doomsday scenario for the Democrats. Especially now when the GOP seems to have rallied behind Trump. There is nothing off the Dem table right now when it comes to beating Donald Trump. I wouldn't doubt it, but I still think it's going to Harris. Operative word being "think." We'll see.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 16:56:38 GMT -8
You misunderstood. The "withholding" of money was directed towards down ballot members of Congress that backed Biden publicly. The actual campaign fund is not what I was talking about. They had raised plenty of money. The Harris fund has raised more than $27M in the last five hours. Sure, Harris will raise a lot of money now, but it's not just one person that said that if the money stops coming in from the big donors, Biden is toast. The big donors are definitely going to fund the campaign now since they were heard and the change has been made. So much for that...
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