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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 13:03:32 GMT -8
She needs Pennsylvania, so Shapiro is in play, despite the Israeli noise. No man...the pro-Palestinian groups have backed off...no need in stirring that national pot...and once again...you downplay the "Israeli noise"...and you've been dead-ass wrong on every aspect of the issue.... She needs Pennsylvania. Period. How can someone be wrong when nothing has happened yet? Literally...nothing. I've said all along I think the issue is overblown in this country's political realm...but she still needs to win Pennsylvania.
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Post by azson on Jul 23, 2024 13:12:02 GMT -8
The most notable reason she lost is not on the list...Blacks/African Americans were not feeling her all-white ticket after Obama...Tim Kaine was an insult as vice president pick...and many just stayed home: "But the turnout rate among African-American citizens tumbled sharply, the survey shows. Only 59 percent of black citizens voted in 2016, down from 66 percent in 2012 and 65 percent in 2008." "A decline in African-American turnout is consistent with other data sources that suggest that lower voting rates among the traditionally Democratic voting group may have doomed Hillary Clinton in last year’s presidential race." www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/black-election-turnout-down-2016-census-survey-238226Remember...she lost the election by 12,000 votes combined in MI and PA...votes that would've easily been made up in Detroit and Philly...Biden did not make that mistake...and won GA because of Atlanta voter turnout...Harris needs a diverse ticket...she can't choose a woman as vice...she can't pick a Black (Moore)...she has to pick a white man...not any white man...not a Jewish (Shapiro), gay (Buttigieg), or Newsome man...that's too much diversity/controversy on one ticket...this is still America...so act accordingly to win...so that leaves AZ Kelly and KY governor Beshear...leaning Beshear because Kelly would mean giving up a senate seat.... She needs Pennsylvania, so Shapiro is in play, despite the Israeli noise. The question is will votes gained be > than votes lost in PA & MI as it's a little more than "noise." Support for IsraelDespite Shapiro's support for liberal causes and policies, his staunch support for Israel amid the brutal war on Gaza has attracted huge attention in recent months,
This is significant given Biden's strong support for Israel could lose him votes in key swing states like Michigan, which has a significant Arab and Muslim American population, as well as among younger voters, people of colour, and progressives. www.newarab.com/news/who-josh-shapiro-harris-potential-pro-israel-running-mate
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 13:14:12 GMT -8
She needs Pennsylvania, so Shapiro is in play, despite the Israeli noise. The question is will votes gained be > than votes lost in PA & MI as it's a little more than "noise." Support for IsraelDespite Shapiro's support for liberal causes and policies, his staunch support for Israel amid the brutal war on Gaza has attracted huge attention in recent months,
This is significant given Biden's strong support for Israel could lose him votes in key swing states like Michigan, which has a significant Arab and Muslim American population, as well as among younger voters, people of colour, and progressives. www.newarab.com/news/who-josh-shapiro-harris-potential-pro-israel-running-mateYes, I'm aware. The fact remains that Shapiro is popular in his own state and she needs to win Pennsylvania, period. I'd be on the Kelly train, personally, but it's complicated.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 23, 2024 13:17:04 GMT -8
The question is will votes gained be > than votes lost in PA & MI as it's a little more than "noise." Support for IsraelDespite Shapiro's support for liberal causes and policies, his staunch support for Israel amid the brutal war on Gaza has attracted huge attention in recent months,
This is significant given Biden's strong support for Israel could lose him votes in key swing states like Michigan, which has a significant Arab and Muslim American population, as well as among younger voters, people of colour, and progressives. www.newarab.com/news/who-josh-shapiro-harris-potential-pro-israel-running-mateYes, I'm aware. The fact remains that Shapiro is popular in his own state and she needs to win Pennsylvania, period. I'd be on the Kelly train, personally, but it's complicated. I understand the problem with 2 women. But if it was Whitmer, I think trump would just lose his $#!+!
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 13:20:34 GMT -8
Yes, I'm aware. The fact remains that Shapiro is popular in his own state and she needs to win Pennsylvania, period. I'd be on the Kelly train, personally, but it's complicated. I understand the problem with 2 women. But if it was Whitmer, I think trump would just lose his $#!+! I think any number of people accomplish the same goal. But the election needs to be about winning. I've done pretty much every toss up iteration possible, it's Pennsylvania.
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Post by azson on Jul 23, 2024 13:23:29 GMT -8
The question is will votes gained be > than votes lost in PA & MI as it's a little more than "noise." Support for IsraelDespite Shapiro's support for liberal causes and policies, his staunch support for Israel amid the brutal war on Gaza has attracted huge attention in recent months,
This is significant given Biden's strong support for Israel could lose him votes in key swing states like Michigan, which has a significant Arab and Muslim American population, as well as among younger voters, people of colour, and progressives. www.newarab.com/news/who-josh-shapiro-harris-potential-pro-israel-running-mateYes, I'm aware. The fact remains that Shapiro is popular in his own state and she needs to win Pennsylvania, period. I'd be on the Kelly train, personally, but it's complicated. Concur. His gun control advocacy alone gets my vote.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 13:34:08 GMT -8
Yes, I'm aware. The fact remains that Shapiro is popular in his own state and she needs to win Pennsylvania, period. I'd be on the Kelly train, personally, but it's complicated. Concur. His gun control advocacy alone gets my vote. The problem there is his Senate seat is very, very important.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 23, 2024 13:54:15 GMT -8
Just got my first chance to hear Beshear speak in an interview. I wasn't sold, seemed hesitant in answers..not polished. What am I missing?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 13:58:58 GMT -8
Just got my first chance to hear Beshear speak in an interview. I wasn't sold, seemed hesitant in answers..not polished. What am I missing? After one interview? I couldn't tell you. He's termed out in Kentucky, will be replaced by a Dem and seems to have popularity. There are going to be warts on every choice.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 23, 2024 14:03:43 GMT -8
Just got my first chance to hear Beshear speak in an interview. I wasn't sold, seemed hesitant in answers..not polished. What am I missing? After one interview? I couldn't tell you. He's termed out in Kentucky, will be replaced by a Dem and seems to have popularity. There are going to be warts on every choice. Just looking for somebody to tear JD Vance up in a debate....which shouldn't be that difficult based on his documented statements. I just didn't see a killer there..maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 14:07:07 GMT -8
After one interview? I couldn't tell you. He's termed out in Kentucky, will be replaced by a Dem and seems to have popularity. There are going to be warts on every choice. Just looking for somebody to tear JD Vance up in a debate....which shouldn't be that difficult based on his documented statements. I just didn't see a killer there..maybe I'm wrong. Winning the election > Winning a VP debate.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 23, 2024 14:27:19 GMT -8
Just looking for somebody to tear JD Vance up in a debate....which shouldn't be that difficult based on his documented statements. I just didn't see a killer there..maybe I'm wrong. Winning the election > Winning a VP debate. When you make a huge tactical blunder by going full maga, and therefore basically give the finger to the moderates...you need to make them pay for that. Those guys are so f****** cocky that they thought they had this thing won. So they got drunk on themselves. I mean strutting with Tucker Carlson, after he's been featured numerous times on Russian propaganda TV..and meeting with Orban. They think Americans are so damn stupid. "I love the poorly educated." When will people wake up and realize these people are laughing at them? I'm just looking for someone (VP included) who can effectively attack these people.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 14:34:38 GMT -8
Winning the election > Winning a VP debate. When you make a huge tactical blunder by going full maga, and therefore basically give the finger to the moderates...you need to make them pay for that. Those guys are so f****** cocky that they thought they had this thing won. So they got drunk on themselves. I mean strutting with Tucker Carlson, after he's been featured numerous times on Russian propaganda TV..and meeting with Orban. They think Americans are so damn stupid. "I love the poorly educated." When will people wake up and realize these people are laughing at them? I'm just looking for someone (VP included) who can effectively attack these people. Kamala needs to worry about building momentum before anything else.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 23, 2024 17:51:38 GMT -8
Winning the election > Winning a VP debate. When you make a huge tactical blunder by going full maga, and therefore basically give the finger to the moderates...you need to make them pay for that. Those guys are so f****** cocky that they thought they had this thing won. So they got drunk on themselves. I mean strutting with Tucker Carlson, after he's been featured numerous times on Russian propaganda TV..and meeting with Orban. They think Americans are so damn stupid. "I love the poorly educated." When will people wake up and realize these people are laughing at them? I'm just looking for someone (VP included) who can effectively attack these people. To be fair, they did have this thing won if Biden was the candidate.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 23, 2024 17:53:31 GMT -8
When you make a huge tactical blunder by going full maga, and therefore basically give the finger to the moderates...you need to make them pay for that. Those guys are so f****** cocky that they thought they had this thing won. So they got drunk on themselves. I mean strutting with Tucker Carlson, after he's been featured numerous times on Russian propaganda TV..and meeting with Orban. They think Americans are so damn stupid. "I love the poorly educated." When will people wake up and realize these people are laughing at them? I'm just looking for someone (VP included) who can effectively attack these people. To be fair, they did have this thing won if Biden was the candidate. this....is true.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 23, 2024 17:53:47 GMT -8
Oh you have got to be kidding me. Are you really going to sit here and act like the Biden-Harris ticket stands up for the rights of the oppressed? Do you not see what is going on in Gaza? Furthermore, what do you mean when you say 'leapfrog Harris'? Why does the Democratic party insist that the vice president of the last Democratic president be the next Democratic nominee? The delegates can vote for whoever they want. But it is ridiculous for you to insinuate that Harris's race matters at all in this. Look at the number of Palestinians that Biden and Harris's administration have killed. How much blood is on their hands? There is a reason why Cornell West has been campaigning so hard against Biden. Biden's foreign policy in Gaza is immoral and wrong. So for you to sit here and act like there is some more high ground that Harris holds and being bestowed the presidency because she is the VP is ridiculous quite frankly. I don't care about her skin color - I care about the fact that her and Biden have been abetting a genocide in Gaza. I don't want her as the VP. She doesn't unite the party. If she has done what she has done in Gaza, how can you say that she will stand up for the rights of minorities in America? Just because of her skin color? Kamala Has Already Infuriated a Key US Ally"Kamala Harris's decision to stay away from Benjamin Netanyahu's address to Congress has irritated officials in the Israeli prime minister's administration." "S he has been more outspoken than her boss on Israel's response to the October 7 Hamas attack. ' People in Gaza are starving,' she said in March. ' The conditions are inhumane and our common humanity compels us to act.'" www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-has-already-infuriated-a-key-us-ally/ar-BB1quAE6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=5fc148d81fab43098baeea051ea5f349&ei=14Blacks are the Palestinians and Harris' staunchest supporters...she's a Howard graduate...understands if she wants to get elected and still welcomed at church and the bbq...she cannot be an Israeli puppet and expect to win. That's a very encouraging sign. She is going to have to do this in order to win. Perhaps some factions of the Democratic party realize how important the Youth, and Middle-Eastern American votes are in swing states.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 23, 2024 17:59:13 GMT -8
The question is will votes gained be > than votes lost in PA & MI as it's a little more than "noise." Support for IsraelDespite Shapiro's support for liberal causes and policies, his staunch support for Israel amid the brutal war on Gaza has attracted huge attention in recent months,
This is significant given Biden's strong support for Israel could lose him votes in key swing states like Michigan, which has a significant Arab and Muslim American population, as well as among younger voters, people of colour, and progressives. www.newarab.com/news/who-josh-shapiro-harris-potential-pro-israel-running-mateYes, I'm aware. The fact remains that Shapiro is popular in his own state and she needs to win Pennsylvania, period. I'd be on the Kelly train, personally, but it's complicated. Zero chance Shapiro is the VP. Again, you are underplaying the significance of the genocide in Israel.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 18:14:01 GMT -8
To be fair, they did have this thing won if Biden was the candidate. this....is true. It's not, though.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2024 18:14:57 GMT -8
Yes, I'm aware. The fact remains that Shapiro is popular in his own state and she needs to win Pennsylvania, period. I'd be on the Kelly train, personally, but it's complicated. Zero chance Shapiro is the VP. Again, you are underplaying the significance of the genocide in Israel. Because it's not an issue at the top of the food chain and I think Harris can separate herself optically to diminish the negativity.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 23, 2024 19:23:34 GMT -8
The Democrat controlled media is certainly trying their best to push Kamala. However the reality is, she is not liked in the “rust belt” or the Southern States. There is also the Democrat National Convention to consider. There is a pretty good chance there will be a contested primary with a vote on the floor. That could get contentious, DONT forget we are talking about democrats here. The 1968 DNC (also in Chicago) was a donnybrook with protests fights riots and several arrests. This poor showing helped the GOP and eventually led to a convincing Nixon win over Humphrey in the election. The bottom line is there is a lot of ground the democrats need to make up, several toss up states are now leaning Trump. Kamala is not a skilled enough politician to come from behind, and the DNC leadership knows this. There still could be a change at the top. Done deal...on to the next conspiracy theory...right-wingers are rightfully frightened of the DEI/affirmative action nominee.... Have you moved on from the "Trump pulled a WWE move to cut his ear" conspiracy theory? Lol.
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