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Post by uwphoto on Jul 30, 2024 10:12:34 GMT -8
But it had no impact on voters, so it really wasn't. Dude get real...the debate definitely had an impact...to say it didn't is not remotely based in reality...who do you think got on the phones and demanded change?...it didn't happen in a vacuum...representatives across the nation got calls from voters demanding change...or they wouldn't have done it...that debate was so awful...and the chance Biden would do it again down the stretch...had every Dem in the nation...besides a select few...calling for Harris to take over..... x 2..Biden was a guaranteed loss. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 10:17:32 GMT -8
Dude get real...the debate definitely had an impact...to say it didn't is not remotely based in reality...who do you think got on the phones and demanded change?...it didn't happen in a vacuum...representatives across the nation got calls from voters demanding change...or they wouldn't have done it...that debate was so awful...and the chance Biden would do it again down the stretch...had every Dem in the nation...besides a select few...calling for Harris to take over..... x 2..Biden was a guaranteed loss. That's laughable, considering Trump's popularity peak makes him less than 50% against anyone. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 31, 2024 8:33:56 GMT -8
Donald Trump, AKA "Not a threat to democracy" (according to one person, anyway) is someone everybody knows. The de facto head of the Republican Party, the linchpin of the MAGA movement...but let's talk about the unintended (intended?) consequences of what Donald Trump brings.
Every. Single. Level. Of. Government.
In Arizona, Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer, a staunch advocate for democracy, was defeated in the primary last night by a Kari Lake-endorsed election denier. Maricopa County is the biggest county in Arizona. And this is happening all over the country, from state legislatures to House reps to city clerks and supervisory boards. Even if Trump is defeated, we are a long way away from safety.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 31, 2024 10:27:49 GMT -8
Things are going really well.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 31, 2024 11:24:20 GMT -8
Actually, you did ignore this part of my post. Forgive me if I pull the age card here (I was about 47 years old when you were born). By that time, I had rejected both the Democrats and the Republicans in favor of the Libertarian party. My disagreement with the Democrats has only become more pronounced since then. What has really changed, in my opinion, is what has happened to the GOP. The rise of Trump has been a disaster for that party. More to the point, the takeover of the GOP has been a disaster for the politics of the USA. Trump populism is bad for the country.
But forgive me for delving into that issue. What I want to discuss is what I quoted in my last post. To wit:
I would also mention that many voters were pretty unhappy that so many manufacturing jobs have gone to China. This is a touchy issue with me, since I believe in free trade. I am a lot older than you (a lot older!). I can remember when it was possible for someone to graduate from high school, get a union job, and pretty soon buy a house. No longer.
The changes in our economy I refer to are the result of actions taken by both parties. Trump gave the promise of turning the economy around. I don't say that he could really do that, only that millions of blue-collar workers believed that he could.
One result of Trump's takeover is that the GOP is now populist rather than conservative.
Why did so many Americans vote for Trump? Was Hillary right in accusing half the Trump voters of being, in essence, Nazis, Fascists, White Supremacists, etc.? Or did those voters finally figure out that the changes in the USA, especially economically, have resulted in much worse outcomes for them? Less well-educated Americans have a much tougher time achieving membership in the economic middle class. And now many college graduates face similar hurdles. It may (or may not) be simplistic to say that the growing Chinese economic class have achieved their status on the backs of millions of Americans. It's hard, however, to say that, to a certain extent, this has not been true.
I have said that this question put me in a quandary since I believe in free trade.
Anyway, all this adds up to one conclusion. Namely, as distasteful as Trump is in so many ways, there were reasons why so many voted for Trump besides being Nazis, Fascists, etc . The result, for me, is that I forsee troubled times ahead for this country regardless of which party wins in November.
AzWm
"growing Chinese economic class have achieved their status on the backs of millions of Americans". Poor Americans! Funny, I don't remember Americans going to Walmart complaining when they were buying cheap furniture, electronics and even 100% of the frozen sea food coming from China! Frozen sea food like catfish, shrimp and tilapia grown in toxic waste and sewage....cause those animals can live in it. I spent time in Kodiak, Alaska. Locals (most) couldn't wait until Walmart came to town with their cheap Chinese goods. Say goodbye to the Mom n Pop stores locally when that happened. William, don't say that most Americans didn't have a hand in it!
My point is that millions of Americans have soured on globalization, the results of which have hurt many workers. Many high-tech workers have done well, it is true. But they do not compare to the millions of people who have suffered.
Both parties are responsible for globalization, of course. Trump has held out of the promise of punishing foreign manufacturers by imposing massive tariffs on imported goods. Wonder what he studied in college. He earned a bachelor's degree in economics from the University of Pennsylvania in 1968. He took classes from the Wharton School of Economics, but did not earn an MBA there. Even so, you would hope that he did not learn from Wharton that protectionism is the way to go.
Protectionism causes retaliatory tariffs, and then more counter tariffs, etc. This largely explains why Trump gets so many votes. People cannot link lower prices on goods with the loss of manufacturing jobs. So, see, I have stated a reason not to vote for Trump without calling him a potential tyrant.
I hope Ryan is reading this. 
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 31, 2024 11:33:48 GMT -8
I'm somewhat surprised more people aren't talking about the implications of the assassination of one of the Hamas leaders (who was part of the peace talks with Israel) on Iranian soil. Whatever wider Middle East conflict springs out of that has big potential to impact the presidential election as well.
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Post by azson on Jul 31, 2024 11:37:31 GMT -8
Things are going really well. Showing his true "colors." |
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Post by azson on Jul 31, 2024 11:41:32 GMT -8
I'm somewhat surprised more people aren't talking about the implications of the assassination of one of the Hamas leaders (who was part of the peace talks with Israel) on Iranian soil. Whatever wider Middle East conflict springs out of that has big potential to impact the presidential election as well. Agreed. If Shapiro was #1 on the Veep list this certainly was the last thing Harris wanted to see. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 31, 2024 11:53:13 GMT -8
I'm somewhat surprised more people aren't talking about the implications of the assassination of one of the Hamas leaders (who was part of the peace talks with Israel) on Iranian soil. Whatever wider Middle East conflict springs out of that has big potential to impact the presidential election as well. Agreed. If Shapiro was #1 on the Veep list this certainly was the last thing Harris wanted to see. He definitely is the clubhouse leader. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 31, 2024 14:31:22 GMT -8
Going to go out on a limb and say that being outwardly racist is probably not the best campaign strategy.
Wonder how the resident R's will reconcile with that one. Hard to objectively deny when the entire premise is "Harris isn't even black."
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 31, 2024 18:20:52 GMT -8
Going to go out on a limb and say that being outwardly racist is probably not the best campaign strategy. Wonder how the resident R's will reconcile with that one. Hard to objectively deny when the entire premise is "Harris isn't even black." Probably the same way Biden answered when he told the blacks basically that if you're having trouble voting for me, you ain't black, which was homina, homina, homina. In other words speechless, because there's no comeback for it. It's a really bad move. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 31, 2024 18:26:03 GMT -8
Going to go out on a limb and say that being outwardly racist is probably not the best campaign strategy. Wonder how the resident R's will reconcile with that one. Hard to objectively deny when the entire premise is "Harris isn't even black." Probably the same way Biden answered when he told the blacks basically that if you're having trouble voting for me, you ain't black, which was homina, homina, homina. In other words speechless, because there's no comeback for it. It's a really bad move. Yeah, that isn't the same thing. And Biden immediately apologized for it. Another limb here, but that's likely not happening with Donald. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 31, 2024 18:31:30 GMT -8
Probably the same way Biden answered when he told the blacks basically that if you're having trouble voting for me, you ain't black, which was homina, homina, homina. In other words speechless, because there's no comeback for it. It's a really bad move. Yeah, that isn't the same thing. And Biden immediately apologized for it. Another limb here, but that's likely not happening with Donald. Both dumb remarks. And yeah, Trump apologizing? Hilarious. Didn't Trump say that she only started calling herself black in 2016 and Asian before that, or something like that? The guy can't help himself. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 31, 2024 18:37:38 GMT -8
Yeah, that isn't the same thing. And Biden immediately apologized for it. Another limb here, but that's likely not happening with Donald. Both dumb remarks. And yeah, Trump apologizing? Hilarious. Didn't Trump say that she only started calling herself black in 2016 and Asian before that, or something like that? The guy can't help himself. Yes, they are dumb remarks. One is a cavalier statement made out of stupidity, the other is inherently racist and part of a deeper pattern of attacks specifically targeting Kamala's identity. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 1, 2024 8:51:13 GMT -8
Race is now a dead tossup.
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Post by azson on Aug 1, 2024 8:58:23 GMT -8
Race is now a dead tossup. With plenty of time for the bigot to step in it about a dozen more. Sad state of our country though that it's even this close. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 1, 2024 9:18:29 GMT -8
Race is now a dead tossup. With plenty of time for the bigot to step in it about a dozen more. Sad state of our country though that it's even this close. Welcome to the two party system. |
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Post by azson on Aug 1, 2024 9:24:31 GMT -8
With plenty of time for the bigot to step in it about a dozen more. Sad state of our country though that it's even this close. Welcome to the two party system. Not to mention the antiquated and asinine EC. |
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Post by azdick on Aug 1, 2024 12:59:05 GMT -8
FWIW, Harris now the “betting favorite” for the first time. Momentum certainly heading in her direction. Now she has to consolidate her coalition and continue to increase her favorability numbers.
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Post by aztecking on Aug 1, 2024 13:03:52 GMT -8
Race is now a dead tossup. With plenty of time for the bigot to step in it about a dozen more. Sad state of our country though that it's even this close. He already continuing with it today by sending out pictures of Harris with the Indian side of her family…as some sort of proof that she isn’t also black. The most interesting part of all of this is that his running mate has mixed race kids. |
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