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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 16:00:11 GMT -8
No, it's not. There are a lot of good, decent people who are genuinely disgusted by what Trump has done and said. I'm one of them. The fact that you're not is what's disturbing. He IS guilty of sexual assault and probably rape. FACT. He is guilty of financial crimes (convicted). He has said hundreds and hundreds of racist and sexist comments. He has made fun of people who are developmentally impaired. He has called soldiers who died suckers and losers. He kept top secret, highly classified documents that he had no right to after January 20, 2020, and he kept them in a very UN secure location (where foreing nationals were going in and out of that room dozens of times, giving them access to those documents - intentionally or not). He freaking incited an insurrection against the United States Government. These are facts. You don't care. That's really disturbing. This was a landslide victory. Most of the country wasn’t buying the crapola they were selling on Morning Joe, Colbert, Jimmy Fallon, Maddow or The View. It took making America expensive to bring back ‘make America great’. It was officially over when the Democrats media outlets started airing minorities claiming “…if I have to spend a few thousand extra dollars to keep Trump out of the White House…… worth it!” Sorry, but I would rather put that money in my retirement savings. This was the biggest political comeback in American History. It happened in spite of 2 assasination attempts, several bogus partisan legal actions, unfair exorbitant fines and a constant demonization of Trump comparing him with Adolph Hitler. The country finally had enough of the left wing democrat woke rubbish and saw the truth; that pretty much EVERYTHING on television is contrived and made up. The Red Wave has arrived. And you're still a disgrace. What else is new? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 16:01:06 GMT -8
Not in comparison to 2020. They literally gave him Wisconsin. Like I say...it wasn't Black people's fault...I said this was a white folks election and don't expect Blacks to bail America out...especially after Gaza...even with that...look who voted for whom...blame for the downfall of America is on racist/sexist white folks...period: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD0hO_MLwP4&ab_channel=ComedianShulerKingTripling the vote in one cycle is definitely the opposite. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 8, 2024 16:03:11 GMT -8
Yes, genocide in Ukraine. We've had this discussion before. Bombing civilians indiscriminately based on their nationality is genocide. Committing any atrocities against non-military targets due to their nationality is genocide. You love to harp on this idea and it's so hollow. Jill Stein is a third party puppet, but foreign policy was low on minds of voters, as I said it would be months ago. Every American leader will defend Israel. Biden became the first president to not deliver arms shipments to Israel since 1982. Biden doesn't run Israel. It is incredibly ignorant, generally speaking, to somehow think Trump is suddenly going to be better, he's going to give Netanyahu whatever he wants. It's on the leader of ISRAEL, not the UNITED STATES to stop perpetuating violence. Jill Stein had a much better platform then Harris. Her platform was cohesive, unlike Harris's divisive campaign. Stein's campaign centered around climate change, human rights, not funding American imperialism, getting out of foreign wars, and spending more money domestically to improve and build a green economy. It is so unbelievably disconnected for Harris to have a platform centered around civil rights, while funding genocide. It is so unbelievably disconnected for Harris to be 'pro-environment', and then burn fossil fuels in producing bombs, send them overseas, and use them to blow up buildings. Buildings are expensive carbon wise to re-build, it takes resources to build them that could go to better things, and it is diametrically opposed to the idea of environmentalism itself. So, you think we should just abandon Ukraine and let Putin - the modern Hitler - just march in there and continue his rebuilding of the Soviet Union? (His real goal.) And, AGAIN, Trump isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza - he's going to greenlight it. He hates the palestinians, and loves his buddy Netanyahu. You really can't take this road and be credible - Biden has done far more to stop the killing in Gaza than Trump would have done or will do. Trump doesn't believe in climate change. He doesn't care about environmentalism. They're already talking about him gutting regulations to protect the environment, so what the f x x x are you talking about? Trump is anti-environmentalist because it costs businesses money (and money and power are the only things he cares about). So just stop with the nonsense. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 8, 2024 16:05:28 GMT -8
The vitrol from some on the left over this loss is insanity. Labeling it as racism or misogyony is a joke. Even though Trump was the most racist misogynist candidate in decades, if not over a century? Are we really going to do virtue signaling, comparing a genocide enabler to a racist misogynist? Trump's racism and sexism have killed... how many people? How many Palestinians have Harris and Biden's bombs killed? They are both awful. And frankly, I have a right to be pissed at the one party that should be expected to do better - the Democrats. The Democratic leadership, however, is nothing more then a bunch of rich elites who like to act like the give a $#!+ about the 'others' (poor, minorities, people in foreign countries) - but they really don't. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 8, 2024 16:07:57 GMT -8
Jill Stein had a much better platform then Harris. Her platform was cohesive, unlike Harris's divisive campaign. Stein's campaign centered around climate change, human rights, not funding American imperialism, getting out of foreign wars, and spending more money domestically to improve and build a green economy. It is so unbelievably disconnected for Harris to have a platform centered around civil rights, while funding genocide. It is so unbelievably disconnected for Harris to be 'pro-environment', and then burn fossil fuels in producing bombs, send them overseas, and use them to blow up buildings. Buildings are expensive carbon wise to re-build, it takes resources to build them that could go to better things, and it is diametrically opposed to the idea of environmentalism itself. So, you think we should just abandon Ukraine and let Putin - the modern Hitler - just march in there and continue his rebuilding of the Soviet Union? (His real goal.) And, AGAIN, Trump isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza - he's going to greenlight it. He hates the palestinians, and loves his buddy Netanyahu. You really can't take this road and be credible - Biden has done far more to stop the killing in Gaza than Trump would have done or will do. Trump doesn't believe in climate change. He doesn't care about environmentalism. They're already talking about him gutting regulations to protect the environment, so what the f x x x are you talking about? Trump is anti-environmentalist because it costs businesses money (and money and power are the only things he cares about). So just stop with the nonsense. Yes, Trump doesn't care, and Harris only feigns caring to get votes. Both candidates were terrible. No I'm not going to stop complaining about it. Do better. The Democratic party needs to do better. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 8, 2024 16:12:34 GMT -8
Jill Stein had a much better platform then Harris. Her platform was cohesive, unlike Harris's divisive campaign. Stein's campaign centered around climate change, human rights, not funding American imperialism, getting out of foreign wars, and spending more money domestically to improve and build a green economy. It is so unbelievably disconnected for Harris to have a platform centered around civil rights, while funding genocide. It is so unbelievably disconnected for Harris to be 'pro-environment', and then burn fossil fuels in producing bombs, send them overseas, and use them to blow up buildings. Buildings are expensive carbon wise to re-build, it takes resources to build them that could go to better things, and it is diametrically opposed to the idea of environmentalism itself. So, you think we should just abandon Ukraine and let Putin - the modern Hitler - just march in there and continue his rebuilding of the Soviet Union? (His real goal.) No, I think Stein supports helping Ukraine, and ending support of Israel, although her stated opposition to violence might include helping Israel with funding their weapon shield. It definitely also supports following guidelines from the International Court of Justice. Biden/Harris do not support this - they do not support following international law and legal rulings, such as those issued by the ICJ on the War in Gaza. "The bipartisan endless war machine enriches military contractors, lobbyists, and politicians, while it fuels devastation around the world and impoverishes the American people. We must end the endless wars and create a new foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights to oppose violence, occupation, and apartheid." I would venture to guess she would look to control Israel by cutting military aid, and by threatening to cut off trade with Israel. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 16:14:54 GMT -8
Even though Trump was the most racist misogynist candidate in decades, if not over a century? Are we really going to do virtue signaling, comparing a genocide enabler to a racist misogynist? Trump's racism and sexism have killed... how many people? How many Palestinians have Harris and Biden's bombs killed? They are both awful. And frankly, I have a right to be pissed at the one party that should be expected to do better - the Democrats. The Democratic leadership, however, is nothing more then a bunch of rich elites who like to act like the give a $#!+ about the 'others' (poor, minorities, people in foreign countries) - but they really don't. Yes, I'm going to take the person who didn't sell national security information every single time. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 8, 2024 16:19:01 GMT -8
What a joke comment you memorized from CNN. Thr Democrats big loss was NOT a result of race, sex , xenophobia or bigotry of any kind. It was because of the part’s ineptitude. Four years of econimic hardship, an open border, feeble foreign policy, and perpetual condescending and childish rhetoric drove voters away from the Biden-Harris agenda it failed to meet their basic needs…..period. That's what a hateful/uneducated white supremacists/racists/bigots/sexists/homophobic says to gaslight/justify their ignorant white supremacist/racist/bigoted/sexists/homophobic worldview/actions. Harris didn't build a coalition. The Democratic party shunned people like Bernie and Kennedy, didn't 'really' have a primary, then chose Harris as the candidate. Very un-democratic. Trump built a coalition. He got a young senator with military experience, who is the opposite of Trump in many ways, to galvanize his base. He pulled in a third party candidate, RFK Jr., to get more independent votes. He went on podcasts that young people watch to get a 4% higher share of the under 45 vote. It would be a foolish mistake to attribute this loss to everything that you just listed. The Democratic party is at fault for this loss. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 8, 2024 16:22:10 GMT -8
Are we really going to do virtue signaling, comparing a genocide enabler to a racist misogynist? Trump's racism and sexism have killed... how many people? How many Palestinians have Harris and Biden's bombs killed? They are both awful. And frankly, I have a right to be pissed at the one party that should be expected to do better - the Democrats. The Democratic leadership, however, is nothing more then a bunch of rich elites who like to act like the give a $#!+ about the 'others' (poor, minorities, people in foreign countries) - but they really don't. Yes, I'm going to take the person who didn't sell national security information every single time. Since CA isn't a swing state, I chose to take neither. I feel very good about that decision. I feel bad for the people in swing states. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 16:24:30 GMT -8
Yes, I'm going to take the person who didn't sell national security information every single time. Since CA isn't a swing state, I chose to take neither. I feel very good about that decision. I feel bad for the people in swing states. You feel great about meaninglessly throwing away your vote because you're upset about a foreign conflict thousands of miles away and dismissive of foreign policy standards? Noble. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Nov 8, 2024 17:29:03 GMT -8
That's what a hateful/uneducated white supremacists/racists/bigots/sexists/homophobic says to gaslight/justify their ignorant white supremacist/racist/bigoted/sexists/homophobic worldview/actions. Harris didn't build a coalition. The Democratic party shunned people like Bernie and Kennedy, didn't 'really' have a primary, then chose Harris as the candidate. Very un-democratic. Trump built a coalition. He got a young senator with military experience, who is the opposite of Trump in many ways, to galvanize his base. He pulled in a third party candidate, RFK Jr., to get more independent votes. He went on podcasts that young people watch to get a 4% higher share of the under 45 vote. It would be a foolish mistake to attribute this loss to everything that you just listed. The Democratic party is at fault for this loss. Trump's message of racism, bigotry, sexism and homophobia built a coalition of racists, bigots, sexists and homophobes...two-thirds of white America's was galvanized to vote for a 34-count felon/rapist who is a twice-impeached convicted lying fraudulent failure over a qualified and accomplished non-white female...there was no equivalence between Trump and Harris' character or ability to govern...She ran a great campaign...it's not on her...racism, bigotry, sexism and homophobia are the makeup of white America...we all hoped the country was better than that...but there is no more legitimate denial on who/what this country is...its morals/values align with Trump's.... |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 8, 2024 18:50:50 GMT -8
The USA was up for sale. This country has sold it's soul and has no moral compass. Love thy neighbor has become hate/suspect thy neighbor and it's disgusting.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 19:52:04 GMT -8
This is what we call an information bubble.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 19:54:56 GMT -8
No, if she would have not harped on abortion, and not bashed Trump and his issues so much, that people already knew about, and had some actual policies, she would have done better instead of getting trounced. She should have never said that she wouldn't have changed anything that Biden did. If it wasn't over before that, it sure was when she said that Just so you're aware, since you didn't respond - Abortion measures passed in 7 of 10 states where a measure was proposed. Both Nevada and Arizona passed the right to abortion at over 60%. States, by and large, overwhelmingly support abortion access. So your statement is categorically false. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 8, 2024 20:05:41 GMT -8
No, if she would have not harped on abortion, and not bashed Trump and his issues so much, that people already knew about, and had some actual policies, she would have done better instead of getting trounced. She should have never said that she wouldn't have changed anything that Biden did. If it wasn't over before that, it sure was when she said that Just so you're aware, since you didn't respond - Abortion measures passed in 7 of 10 states where a measure was proposed. Both Nevada and Arizona passed the right to abortion at over 60%. States, by and large, overwhelmingly support abortion access. So your statement is categorically false. That wasn't my point at all. I wasn't talking about laws passed. I said if she didn't spend so much time talking about abortion, etc, and more about what her plan and policies were, she would have done better. It was about her, not what abortion laws passed. So, what you said is categorically false. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 21:28:24 GMT -8
Just so you're aware, since you didn't respond - Abortion measures passed in 7 of 10 states where a measure was proposed. Both Nevada and Arizona passed the right to abortion at over 60%. States, by and large, overwhelmingly support abortion access. So your statement is categorically false. That wasn't my point at all. I wasn't talking about laws passed. I said if she didn't spend so much time talking about abortion, etc, and more about what her plan and policies were, she would have done better. It was about her, not what abortion laws passed. So, what you said is categorically false. That's again just not the case. Look at the data and stop being a parrot. Abortion outpaced her voter share everywhere - This came down to two basic things: An uneducated voter base with an information divide and the economy. Across the board, the economy was the number one issue, regardless of demographic. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 8, 2024 22:20:48 GMT -8
That wasn't my point at all. I wasn't talking about laws passed. I said if she didn't spend so much time talking about abortion, etc, and more about what her plan and policies were, she would have done better. It was about her, not what abortion laws passed. So, what you said is categorically false. That's again just not the case. Look at the data and stop being a parrot. Abortion outpaced her voter share everywhere - This came down to two basic things: An uneducated voter base with an information divide and the economy. Across the board, the economy was the number one issue, regardless of demographic. Don't be a naive parrot making excuses, again. She harped on the wrong subjects, and didn't have a plan, yeah, for the economy and immigration. She spent too much time on abortion thinking it would persuade the women vote, overwhelming and bashing Trump. Didn't happen. I listened to her. It wasn't from reading anything which where you get your biased information. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 22:35:45 GMT -8
That's again just not the case. Look at the data and stop being a parrot. Abortion outpaced her voter share everywhere - This came down to two basic things: An uneducated voter base with an information divide and the economy. Across the board, the economy was the number one issue, regardless of demographic. Don't be a naive parrot making excuses, again. She harped on the wrong subjects, and didn't have a plan, yeah, for the economy and immigration. She spent too much time on abortion thinking it would persuade the women vote, overwhelming and bashing Trump. Didn't happen. I listened to her. It wasn't from reading anything which where you get your biased information. I KNOW where you get your information from because you've been wrong throughout the last 48 hours. She had an economic plan, it didn't matter. (Trump's economic proposed plan is a damn disaster, again) and your explanations are in line with a voter base that just didn't take the time or (care to?) really understand the nuances of what their vote meant. The average voter, quite frankly, is stupid. Again, you can't make this up - You had Hispanic voters voting for Trump because they didn't think he would deport them because they aren't "criminals." You had people vote for Trump based on his "economic record" and have zero idea what a tariff entails, who gets to pay for it or what it actually means. The same people are complaining about grocery prices NOW. We're going to find out soon enough how bad this is going to be. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 8, 2024 22:45:31 GMT -8
Don't be a naive parrot making excuses, again. She harped on the wrong subjects, and didn't have a plan, yeah, for the economy and immigration. She spent too much time on abortion thinking it would persuade the women vote, overwhelming and bashing Trump. Didn't happen. I listened to her. It wasn't from reading anything which where you get your biased information. I KNOW where you get your information from because you've been wrong throughout the last 48 hours. She had an economic plan, it didn't matter. (Trump's economic proposed plan is a damn disaster, again) and your explanations are in line with a voter base that just didn't take the time or (care to?) really understand the nuances of what their vote meant. The average voter, quite frankly, is stupid. Again, you can't make this up - You had Hispanic voters voting for Trump because they didn't think he would deport them because they aren't "criminals." You had people vote for Trump based on his "economic record" and have zero idea what a tariff entails, who gets to pay for it or what it actually means. The same people are complaining about grocery prices NOW. We're going to find out soon enough how bad this is going to be. For starters, two things right off the bat. You have zero clue where I get my info, and it's meaningless to me if you don't believe me when I tell you where I DID get it from. Also, I haven't been wrong the last 48 hours, but I'll tell you what is true, and that's that YOU have been ABSOLUTELY wrong for MONTHS about this election and how it would turn out. Sheesh. So there's that big tidbit. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 22:47:33 GMT -8
That's again just not the case. Look at the data and stop being a parrot. Abortion outpaced her voter share everywhere - This came down to two basic things: An uneducated voter base with an information divide and the economy. Across the board, the economy was the number one issue, regardless of demographic. Don't be a naive parrot making excuses, again. She harped on the wrong subjects, and didn't have a plan, yeah, for the economy and immigration. She spent too much time on abortion thinking it would persuade the women vote, overwhelming and bashing Trump. Didn't happen. I listened to her. It wasn't from reading anything which where you get your biased information. If she didn't have an economic plan, why did economists agree her plan was vastly superior to Trump's? Again, you're just floating stuff that isn't real. |
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