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Post by aztecryan on Nov 7, 2024 18:27:21 GMT -8
Five swing states saw split tickets. North Carolina voted entirely Democrat...except for the presidency. An absolutely bizarre cycle. That's sending a crystal clear message to Harris about how they feel in terms of her not being the next president. They singled her out. That's what that shows. Here's actual reality. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Nov 7, 2024 19:05:10 GMT -8
When did Democrats decide that their ability to buy cheap Chinese crap, made in the country that leads the world in pollution and human rights violations, is more important that supporting American workers in manufacturing jobs? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 7, 2024 19:22:01 GMT -8
When did Democrats decide that their ability to buy cheap Chinese crap, made in the country that leads the world in pollution and human rights violations, is more important that supporting American workers in manufacturing jobs? I'm going to assume this isn't serious. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 7, 2024 20:12:43 GMT -8
That's sending a crystal clear message to Harris about how they feel in terms of her not being the next president. They singled her out. That's what that shows. As usual, it's really not that simple. Perhaps, but this is why the Democrats should have had an actual primary and not hid Biden's mental decline. It sure 'looks like' those Democrats didn't like her. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 7, 2024 21:00:04 GMT -8
As usual, it's really not that simple. Perhaps, but this is why the Democrats should have had an actual primary and not hid Biden's mental decline. It sure 'looks like' those Democrats didn't like her. Not if you actually parse the data in North Carolina, as the article illustrates. There was never going to be an open primary in July with the money that had already been raised. Harris was the only choice. Nobody was hiding anything. This idea that you can "hide" the president defies logic. Now you're just peddling conspiracies. Not interested. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 7, 2024 21:19:11 GMT -8
As usual, it's really not that simple. Perhaps, but this is why the Democrats should have had an actual primary and not hid Biden's mental decline. It sure 'looks like' those Democrats didn't like her. More things that refute this: Harris *gained* voter share in the battleground states - It's the rest of the country that shifted further to the right. Every developed country in the world had a decrease in incumbent voter share. First time it's ever happened in modern history. We have a serious, massive, understated divide in gender gap and technological usage. It's why the messaging from the Dems didn't resonate at all and created a sizable gap in youth voter share. The statistics (from my observation) show that Harris wasn't a uniquely bad candidate, but there was a recency bias that promoted this idea that the price of eggs somehow translates to "the economy" or "inflation." People can't separate the idea of corporate greed from economic reality. Some of it defies logic. Hispanic votes for Trump? White suburban women? Trump had no field offices in multiple states. He ran a lackluster campaign, although it was more prudent than in years past. And I think there were other factors involved that have largely nothing to do with Harris, but what's done is done. |
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Nov 7, 2024 22:38:41 GMT -8
Ahole Trump's tariffs jacked up the price of Irish and Scotch whisky his last go around. Thanks for nothing! Now you've got my attention. |
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Nov 7, 2024 22:47:03 GMT -8
This idea that you can "hide" the president defies logic. Yet they did for 3 1/2 years. Sure he spent time in front of the camera and met with foreign leaders, etc. But during that debate it became clear he didn't have it anymore and those around him had to have already known it. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 7, 2024 22:47:45 GMT -8
Perhaps, but this is why the Democrats should have had an actual primary and not hid Biden's mental decline. It sure 'looks like' those Democrats didn't like her. More things that refute this: Harris *gained* voter share in the battleground states - It's the rest of the country that shifted further to the right. Every developed country in the world had a decrease in incumbent voter share. First time it's ever happened in modern history. We have a serious, massive, understated divide in gender gap and technological usage. It's why the messaging from the Dems didn't resonate at all and created a sizable gap in youth voter share. The statistics (from my observation) show that Harris wasn't a uniquely bad candidate, but there was a recency bias that promoted this idea that the price of eggs somehow translates to "the economy" or "inflation." People can't separate the idea of corporate greed from economic reality. Some of it defies logic. Hispanic votes for Trump? White suburban women? Trump had no field offices in multiple states. He ran a lackluster campaign, although it was more prudent than in years past. And I think there were other factors involved that have largely nothing to do with Harris, but what's done is done. Inflation/Price of Eggs is one metric that speaks to purchasing power. So is wage rates. For people that don't have wealth (ie. most of the country's citizens), purchasing power is their version of how 'good' or 'bad' the economy is. Corporate profit/greed (or in this case, the printing of large amounts of money due to the pandemic) isn't really relevant to ordinary citizens. Purchasing power is. Guess who doesn't have any wealth? Young people. Increasingly (independent of the inflation), young people are struggling more and more to build a middle class life with a purchased home/condo, and the wealth that it builds for an eventual retirement. Young people are sick of not having money to buy a condo or house, seeing inflation forcing them to work two jobs to make ends meet, then seeing us spending money on blowing up people in the Middle East, then seeing the Democratic elect endorse said genocide, when many of those youth have friends that are Palestinian, or they are a minority/queer and identify with the Palestinian struggle. They see what Harris is selling as a mirage. How can the Democrats be the party of civil rights, when their administration is endorsing genocide? Gone are the days where the US can just blow up people in foreign countries, and have our media label them as terrorists, insurgents, or evil to gain complicity from the American public. Young people in the US are friends with people in other countries, they follow people on TikTok and Instagram that are all over the world, and increasingly see these regional conflicts as the perpetuation of colonialism for corporate gain and for imperialist dominion. They see that alliances are just a 3-D game of chess, they see that the media is complicit in selling lies to the public, and they are sick of seeing people killed in the crossfire. On TikTok and Instagram, you can actually see it. It's not like in Vietnam, where you hear U.S. soldiers version of the truth when they come back from deployment. You can literally see clips of the fighting, you can literally see soldiers killing civilians in cold blood, you can see it all. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 7, 2024 22:52:33 GMT -8
Perhaps, but this is why the Democrats should have had an actual primary and not hid Biden's mental decline. It sure 'looks like' those Democrats didn't like her. Not if you actually parse the data in North Carolina, as the article illustrates. There was never going to be an open primary in July with the money that had already been raised. Harris was the only choice. Nobody was hiding anything. This idea that you can "hide" the president defies logic. Now you're just peddling conspiracies. Not interested. Harris was the only choice because all of the Democratic leadership thought in the same myopic manner as you: - That we have to go with a safe choice - That Biden will win re-election, we can just hide his warts (and yes, Democrats in the White House Absolutely hid his issues, and Yes most of the press went along with it) - That we can't unseat an incumbent, it's too important of an election to take that 'risk' - That Trump is unpopular enough that it won't matter anyways, the Democrats will just vote for whoever we put out Didn't play out that way, did it? |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 7, 2024 22:59:08 GMT -8
Here's the other thing: less and less Americans have a party affiliation. There are a lot of independents that voted for Trump.
On the Democrat side of things:
- There were a number of Democrats, especially young Democrats, that disliked Harris but voted for her anyways.
- There are a lot of Democrats that are really fed up with the Democratic leadership in this country, and how out of touch they are with the American public.
- There are a lot of Democrats that are very angry that this election did not have an actual primary (a very un-Democratic concept), who very begrudgingly voted for Harris.
- The party is losing long-term with this type of strategy. Instead of idiotically blaming this result on racism or sexism, the Democratic leadership needs to make real changes to the way in which it operates - or you are going to see more third-party candidates rise (like RFK did).
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 7, 2024 23:35:32 GMT -8
This idea that you can "hide" the president defies logic. Yet they did for 3 1/2 years. Sure he spent time in front of the camera and met with foreign leaders, etc. But during that debate it became clear he didn't have it anymore and those around him had to have already known it. I don't agree. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 7, 2024 23:36:22 GMT -8
Not if you actually parse the data in North Carolina, as the article illustrates. There was never going to be an open primary in July with the money that had already been raised. Harris was the only choice. Nobody was hiding anything. This idea that you can "hide" the president defies logic. Now you're just peddling conspiracies. Not interested. Harris was the only choice because all of the Democratic leadership thought in the same myopic manner as you: - That we have to go with a safe choice - That Biden will win re-election, we can just hide his warts (and yes, Democrats in the White House Absolutely hid his issues, and Yes most of the press went along with it) - That we can't unseat an incumbent, it's too important of an election to take that 'risk' - That Trump is unpopular enough that it won't matter anyways, the Democrats will just vote for whoever we put out Didn't play out that way, did it? She was the only candidate who could tap into the massive war chest that already had been raised. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 7, 2024 23:40:10 GMT -8
More things that refute this: Harris *gained* voter share in the battleground states - It's the rest of the country that shifted further to the right. Every developed country in the world had a decrease in incumbent voter share. First time it's ever happened in modern history. We have a serious, massive, understated divide in gender gap and technological usage. It's why the messaging from the Dems didn't resonate at all and created a sizable gap in youth voter share. The statistics (from my observation) show that Harris wasn't a uniquely bad candidate, but there was a recency bias that promoted this idea that the price of eggs somehow translates to "the economy" or "inflation." People can't separate the idea of corporate greed from economic reality. Some of it defies logic. Hispanic votes for Trump? White suburban women? Trump had no field offices in multiple states. He ran a lackluster campaign, although it was more prudent than in years past. And I think there were other factors involved that have largely nothing to do with Harris, but what's done is done. Inflation/Price of Eggs is one metric that speaks to purchasing power. So is wage rates. For people that don't have wealth (ie. most of the country's citizens), purchasing power is their version of how 'good' or 'bad' the economy is. Corporate profit/greed (or in this case, the printing of large amounts of money due to the pandemic) isn't really relevant to ordinary citizens. Purchasing power is. Guess who doesn't have any wealth? Young people. Increasingly (independent of the inflation), young people are struggling more and more to build a middle class life with a purchased home/condo, and the wealth that it builds for an eventual retirement. Young people are sick of not having money to buy a condo or house, seeing inflation forcing them to work two jobs to make ends meet, then seeing us spending money on blowing up people in the Middle East, then seeing the Democratic elect endorse said genocide, when many of those youth have friends that are Palestinian, or they are a minority/queer and identify with the Palestinian struggle. They see what Harris is selling as a mirage. How can the Democrats be the party of civil rights, when their administration is endorsing genocide? Gone are the days where the US can just blow up people in foreign countries, and have our media label them as terrorists, insurgents, or evil to gain complicity from the American public. Young people in the US are friends with people in other countries, they follow people on TikTok and Instagram that are all over the world, and increasingly see these regional conflicts as the perpetuation of colonialism for corporate gain and for imperialist dominion. They see that alliances are just a 3-D game of chess, they see that the media is complicit in selling lies to the public, and they are sick of seeing people killed in the crossfire. On TikTok and Instagram, you can actually see it. It's not like in Vietnam, where you hear U.S. soldiers version of the truth when they come back from deployment. You can literally see clips of the fighting, you can literally see soldiers killing civilians in cold blood, you can see it all. You kinda proved the point - The idea of purchasing power is something people tie themselves to without realization that giant companies don't give a $#!+ when they can rake in record profits. Saw more than enough quotes from people all over the country saying essentially the same thing - The actual economy itself is fine, the average voter isn't nuanced enough to know the difference. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 7, 2024 23:43:14 GMT -8
This idea that you can "hide" the president defies logic. Yet they did for 3 1/2 years. Sure he spent time in front of the camera and met with foreign leaders, etc. But during that debate it became clear he didn't have it anymore and those around him had to have already known it. To suggest that they didn't attempt to hide his mental decline is utterly laughable. That is one of the most desperate, biased and comical things I've heard in awhile. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 7, 2024 23:44:18 GMT -8
Yet they did for 3 1/2 years. Sure he spent time in front of the camera and met with foreign leaders, etc. But during that debate it became clear he didn't have it anymore and those around him had to have already known it. I don't agree. Because if you did, then it wouldn't fit your agenda. But it's a really, really laughable reach. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Nov 8, 2024 5:45:07 GMT -8
Ahole Trump's tariffs jacked up the price of Irish and Scotch whisky his last go around. Thanks for nothing! Buy American, drink Bourbon! Legally, bourbon has to be made in America. This comes from the 1964 Senate Concurrent Resolution 19, which formally declared that bourbon was “a distinctive product of the United States.” But many of bourbon's other legal requirements date all the way back to the turn of the 20th Century. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 8, 2024 8:12:11 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 9:04:56 GMT -8
Yet they did for 3 1/2 years. Sure he spent time in front of the camera and met with foreign leaders, etc. But during that debate it became clear he didn't have it anymore and those around him had to have already known it. To suggest that they didn't attempt to hide his mental decline is utterly laughable. That is one of the most desperate, biased and comical things I've heard in awhile. I have the same reaction usually whenever you post. The office is the most visible office on the planet. You're in daily meetings with advisors, cabinet members, foreign leaders, military officers and countless others. It's not possible to "hide" anything. Had that debate never happened (without the media hyperbole afterwards) we aren't even having this discussion. After the debate, suddenly everyone is a medical expert and Biden is a dementia-riddled malcontent. Yet, somehow he oversaw tremendous economy recovery and stabilization of the country coming out of the worst pandemic we had seen in a century, all while being "hidden"? He also had Republicans (and Trump's Chairman of the Joint Chiefs) on record saying the exact opposite of what you're claiming. In other words, bipartisan support for his performance, execution and competence. I'm going to side with the people in the room, not your armchair, lazy ass observation. Pretty dumb. |
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Post by tuff on Nov 8, 2024 9:13:59 GMT -8
Well. Then move outa here and go where you will fit in. It's good/sad to see that white supremacists/racists/bigots/sexists/homophobs/hateful and the uneducated agree and have no argument with my assessment..... What a joke comment you memorized from CNN. Thr Democrats big loss was NOT a result of race, sex , xenophobia or bigotry of any kind. It was because of the part’s ineptitude. Four years of econimic hardship, an open border, feeble foreign policy, and perpetual condescending and childish rhetoric drove voters away from the Biden-Harris agenda it failed to meet their basic needs…..period. |
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