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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 16:11:07 GMT -8
Ryan, January 6th was NOT a serious threat to overturn democracy. It is just fanciful to imagine that it was. I have enumerated several times the reasons why the effort had NO chance of succeeding. You persist in ignoring those reasons.
On the other hand, I do not think that it was no big deal. It was, as I have stated before, an affront to the values of the United States. The event also included a lot of actions that were violations of numerous laws. There is nothing good that can be said for January 6th.
What troubles me most is Trump's foolish attempt to stay in power. That alone disqualifies him from serving again as POTUS in my opinion. Is that not good enough for you?
Oh, yes, here's one more tidbit for you. Earlier this year, Benny Thompson urged the passage of a law that would have stripped Trump of Secret Service protection. Nice going, Benny!
AzWm
Because that isn't the point....at all. What happens when they kill the Speaker of the House? What happens if they kill the VP? You have zero nuance here...and it's frightening. I'm going to say this again: The United States had a sitting president attempt a coup because he lost an election. Whether it succeeded or not is IRRELEVANT to the reality that it HAPPENED at all. I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept to grasp. People died, William. Your outrage is selective...and it's reflective of your closeted views. It's disappointing, to say the least. It's not about what's good enough for me. We have normalized dangerous, erratic behavior that jeopardizes the security of the country. As you tell me I'm ignoring "reasons"...you still won't comment on Project 2025 at all. Why? Saying Donald Trump doesn't represent a threat to this country is false. Period. Trump had Secret Service protection, regardless of reasonable legislation to strip protections from a convicted felon. Use some common sense.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 14, 2024 16:11:55 GMT -8
Pretty funny. You should hold yourself to those beliefs as well, concerning chiming in when you weren't addressed, since you do the same thing. Not pro Trump, but pro not being a horrible human being when someone had an attempt on their life. What's there to deflect? Let me count the ways. How about the seriousness of the event, for starters. Ho hum, an excellent president just had an assassination attempt directed at him. No bigee. Sheesh. Internet brownie points? What a piece of work. No, just pointing out the hate in people's gut. Uh, TDS just so happens to fit you PERFECTLY, so it's used on you. Pretty simple. Pitiful. No, TDS is used for people who fixate on Trump without justification or evidence. Kinda like what you do with me. Let go. I have empathy for the person who passed away, that's tragic. Your words are evidence.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 16:25:42 GMT -8
No, TDS is used for people who fixate on Trump without justification or evidence. Kinda like what you do with me. Let go. I have empathy for the person who passed away, that's tragic. Your words are evidence. To those who are lazy, sure. Here's the bottom line: Why would my opinion of the *person* change because of a random event? Am I supposed to feel sorry for him? He's not going to suddenly walk a righteous path and change his world views on things I care about. That's not TDS, it's valid. It of course doesn't excuse the action of the shooter, that's common sense.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 14, 2024 17:01:51 GMT -8
Paul Pelosi didn't almost die, that whole situation was pretty weird though. He knew his attacker, and was talking to police at his door when the guy went off on him. I'm sorry, the rhetoric from people like Maxine Waters, Schumer (personally threatened SCOTUS members), Hillary (called for people like me to be put in re-education camps) and others from the left is much more promoting violence than you hear from the right. It was a Sanders supporter that shot, and nearly killed, Scalise while targeting other congressional republicans. Sorry, the dems have nothing positive to run on so they have to demonize the opposition. I've seen it here in California, which is my lifetime has moved from strong red to kooky blue. I've seen people claiming Trump advocated violence against rioters for George Floyd. Yes, he said he would provide whatever the local government would want from the feds, like any other responsible President would do. People like you keep pointing at Jan 6 like it was an insurrection. Nope, most did nothing wrong though a few did instigate and cause damage. Ray Epps, caught on film advocating, isn't rotting a way in a DC jail awaiting trial. Personally, I do believe their were instigators from the left that c aused most of the problems. However, none of you will mention the riots outside the White House targeting Trump in which police and SS agents were attacked and injured and a neighboring church was set afire. I don't recall anyone charged with significant crimes. When California was devastated by fires, Trump provided Newsome with everything he asked for. The latest pro-Hamas riots have led to violence and significant damages to properties and yet now one is rotting away in jail awaiting trial for the obvious crimes that had been committed. But, we are putting grandmothers in prison for merely walking through the Capitol after CP opened the doors and let them in. Really, do you think a guy wearing horns, makeup and carrying a US flag is a threat to our republic? Biden has called Trump an existential threat to our "democracy," had said he would use F-15s against his own people. Stallwell, not to be outdone, alluded to using nuclear weapons against 2A supporters. Pelosi ripped up the SOTH speech in front of the cameras. The left tried to remove Trump from office twice and has arrested his supporters since he left office, threatening others with jail time if they didn't turn against them. His home was raided by the FBI because he was in possession of some documents that he would not have even packed himself. Those were in a locked room at Mar-a-Lago. Biden had his in garage that was accessible to many. The left elevated misdemeanor crimes to felonies just so they could use a corrupt judge and biased court to decide to make him a "felon." And yet, Harris, Biden and other prominent dems say he will imprison his rivals if he is elected. Name me one he did so in his first term? So yeah, it is the left that has worked to divide this country, calling those that oppose them "deplorables" if not worse. I'm pretty sure, after yesterdays assassination attempt, a lot of independents will now be firmly in the Trump camp. Most who don't like him do like his policies, just not him personally. But the great majority of those independents hate things like open borders, crime, a terrible economy, inflation, lousy foreign policy more than they dislike Trump. That's fine, we run in different circles and our world views are miles apart. And....I'm a moderate. I do like your Warriors takes...but your concept of what the independents will do, or how they think is flawed in my opinion. We actually need 3 States (countries)...Im afraid. And the reason why the progressive left are always so pissed off is because the Democrats put forward a moderate candidate, and the Republicans put forward a conservative candidate, and then you get progressives protesting funding the War in Gaza, yet our government votes to make it illegal to publish the death toll in Gaza, and continues to fund Israel. And you wonder why the progressives would rather vote for a third party candidate.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 14, 2024 17:05:50 GMT -8
This statement is totally absurd. Trump is lucky to be alive. If you thought about this idea a bit, you would realize how ridiculous it is.
Let's see, here is what Trump must have said to the shooter. "Take a shot from about 400 feet from where I will be standing. Make sure that you hit my ear, but not my head."
Does that make sense to you?
AzWm
Secret Service stood him up, allowed him to get his shoes and presented a photo op. That's not normal behavior, either. If you listen to the audio, the SS tried to get him to leave, and he said several times 'let me get my shoes' and the SS relented.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 17:08:48 GMT -8
Secret Service stood him up, allowed him to get his shoes and presented a photo op. That's not normal behavior, either. If you listen to the audio, the SS tried to get him to leave, and he said several times 'let me get my shoes' and the SS relented. And that's not protocol in an assassination attempt.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 14, 2024 17:09:05 GMT -8
To those who are lazy, sure. Here's the bottom line: Why would my opinion of the *person* change because of a random event? Am I supposed to feel sorry for him? He's not going to suddenly walk a righteous path and change his world views on things I care about. That's not TDS, it's valid. It of course doesn't excuse the action of the shooter, that's common sense. That's not even close to what people are condemning you for. It's not about your opinions of the person. It's about your Ho hum attitude towards the attack, you insinuating it was fake, the guy wasn't a good shot, he was only injured, he's ok, it was only glass, and so on, and so on, and so on. But, you don't hate him. Lol
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 14, 2024 17:13:20 GMT -8
If you listen to the audio, the SS tried to get him to leave, and he said several times 'let me get my shoes' and the SS relented. And that's not protocol in an assassination attempt. Correct, but the shooter had been killed, and Donald wasn't having it, so they relented.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 14, 2024 17:17:52 GMT -8
Paul Pelosi didn't almost die, that whole situation was pretty weird though. He knew his attacker, and was talking to police at his door when the guy went off on him. I'm sorry, the rhetoric from people like Maxine Waters, Schumer (personally threatened SCOTUS members), Hillary (called for people like me to be put in re-education camps) and others from the left is much more promoting violence than you hear from the right. It was a Sanders supporter that shot, and nearly killed, Scalise while targeting other congressional republicans. Sorry, the dems have nothing positive to run on so they have to demonize the opposition. I've seen it here in California, which is my lifetime has moved from strong red to kooky blue. I've seen people claiming Trump advocated violence against rioters for George Floyd. Yes, he said he would provide whatever the local government would want from the feds, like any other responsible President would do. People like you keep pointing at Jan 6 like it was an insurrection. Nope, most did nothing wrong though a few did instigate and cause damage. Ray Epps, caught on film advocating, isn't rotting a way in a DC jail awaiting trial. Personally, I do believe their were instigators from the left that c aused most of the problems. However, none of you will mention the riots outside the White House targeting Trump in which police and SS agents were attacked and injured and a neighboring church was set afire. I don't recall anyone charged with significant crimes. When California was devastated by fires, Trump provided Newsome with everything he asked for. The latest pro-Hamas riots have led to violence and significant damages to properties and yet now one is rotting away in jail awaiting trial for the obvious crimes that had been committed. But, we are putting grandmothers in prison for merely walking through the Capitol after CP opened the doors and let them in. Really, do you think a guy wearing horns, makeup and carrying a US flag is a threat to our republic? Biden has called Trump an existential threat to our "democracy," had said he would use F-15s against his own people. Stallwell, not to be outdone, alluded to using nuclear weapons against 2A supporters. Pelosi ripped up the SOTH speech in front of the cameras. The left tried to remove Trump from office twice and has arrested his supporters since he left office, threatening others with jail time if they didn't turn against them. His home was raided by the FBI because he was in possession of some documents that he would not have even packed himself. Those were in a locked room at Mar-a-Lago. Biden had his in garage that was accessible to many. The left elevated misdemeanor crimes to felonies just so they could use a corrupt judge and biased court to decide to make him a "felon." And yet, Harris, Biden and other prominent dems say he will imprison his rivals if he is elected. Name me one he did so in his first term? So yeah, it is the left that has worked to divide this country, calling those that oppose them "deplorables" if not worse. I'm pretty sure, after yesterdays assassination attempt, a lot of independents will now be firmly in the Trump camp. Most who don't like him do like his policies, just not him personally. But the great majority of those independents hate things like open borders, crime, a terrible economy, inflation, lousy foreign policy more than they dislike Trump. That's fine, we run in different circles and our world views are miles apart. And....I'm a moderate. I do like your Warriors takes...but your concept of what the independents will do, or how they think is flawed in my opinion. We actually need 3 States (countries)...Im afraid. Who was the last 'liberal' Democratic presidential candidate? Carter maybe? RFK was liberal. Was their a liberal presidential candidate after Carter who lost?
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Post by aardvark on Jul 14, 2024 17:53:08 GMT -8
If you listen to the audio, the SS tried to get him to leave, and he said several times 'let me get my shoes' and the SS relented. And that's not protocol in an assassination attempt. Nor is apparently ignoring an elevated area with clear sight lines of a presidential candidate (and former president) that is roughly 150 yds away.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 17:58:02 GMT -8
And that's not protocol in an assassination attempt. Nor is apparently ignoring an elevated area with clear sight lines of a presidential candidate (and former president) that is roughly 150 yds away. Reports are saying that the SS was getting lended help from local police? Absolutely bizarre stuff going on. Allegedly, a local police officer saw the shooter and couldn't engage him?
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 14, 2024 18:40:21 GMT -8
And that's not protocol in an assassination attempt. Nor is apparently ignoring an elevated area with clear sight lines of a presidential candidate (and former president) that is roughly 150 yds away. Absolutely mind boggling, and indefensible.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 14, 2024 19:03:27 GMT -8
What caused his ear to bleed then? Some will register with the opposite party in order to vote against someone in the primary, and then reregister afterwards. We know very little about the shooter right now. I have read that he donated to Biden, however. Bullet shattered the teleprompter glass and the glass hit him, per the Secret Service. Where did you get that info? It seems to be false. Looks like he was grazed by a bullet. I haven't seen any news sources state he was hit by fragments, and it doesn't appear that way when you watch the video. You also stated something to the effect that multiple media sources are saying he didn't get hit by a bullet. What sources are those?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 19:08:50 GMT -8
Bullet shattered the teleprompter glass and the glass hit him, per the Secret Service. Where did you get that info? It seems to be false. Looks like he was grazed by a bullet. I haven't seen any news sources state he was hit by fragments, and it doesn't appear that way when you watch the video. You also stated something to the effect that multiple media sources are saying he didn't get hit by a bullet. What sources are those? The Post reported it yesterday, too.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 14, 2024 19:12:32 GMT -8
That is your source??? Do you think it is true?
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Post by aardvark on Jul 14, 2024 19:16:54 GMT -8
Where did you get that info? It seems to be false. Looks like he was grazed by a bullet. I haven't seen any news sources state he was hit by fragments, and it doesn't appear that way when you watch the video. You also stated something to the effect that multiple media sources are saying he didn't get hit by a bullet. What sources are those? The Post reported it yesterday, too. Again, both Teleprompters looked intact after the shooting.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 14, 2024 19:18:28 GMT -8
Yeah, if it was a fragment it wasn't from a teleprompter not only are they intact, but he is hit on the side facing away from them.
Honestly, it seems pretty clear that a bullet actually grazed his ear. Crazy...
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 19:27:39 GMT -8
That is your source??? Do you think it is true? I think it's a lot more plausible than being grazed by a bullet. Some of the media blackout at the site is contributing to the delay in information.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 19:29:16 GMT -8
Yeah, if it was a fragment it wasn't from a teleprompter not only are they intact, but he is hit on the side facing away from them. Honestly, it seems pretty clear that a bullet actually grazed his ear. Crazy... Guess we'll find out eventually.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 14, 2024 19:34:30 GMT -8
That is your source??? Do you think it is true? I think it's a lot more plausible than being grazed by a bullet. Some of the media blackout at the site is contributing to the delay in information. Yes, getting hit by fragments is more likely to occur, but the initial evidence looks like that didn't occur. Instead, a bullet actually passed a fraction of an inch from killing him. Edit: although I don't think anyone got hit by fragments...
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