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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 18, 2024 12:27:32 GMT -8
My god, this is what I'm talking about Ryan (ideology over truth). Do you think Trump got adequate protection??? A dude with a rifle got an elevated position about 150 yards away from him. Doesn't get much worse then that. Do you work for the Democratic party? I think there's an obvious distinction between "adequate" protection and logistical failures that took place between poorly coordinated agencies. I don't think the *protection* is the issue, I think the interagency coordination, or lack thereof, is largely behind this. I also don't think this idea is the biggest issue in play, either. OK. You are saying he had "adequate protection", but inadequate execution of that protection, leading to real life inadequate protection....that is, a guy on the roof with a rifle 150 yards away! It's a pretty big deal to have your "secret service" protection that poor. I hope Biden is getting better "adequate protection" then what Trump got. Do you work for the Democratic party?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 12:31:29 GMT -8
I think there's an obvious distinction between "adequate" protection and logistical failures that took place between poorly coordinated agencies. I don't think the *protection* is the issue, I think the interagency coordination, or lack thereof, is largely behind this. I also don't think this idea is the biggest issue in play, either. OK. You are saying he had "adequate protection", but inadequate execution of that protection, leading to real life inadequate protection....that is, a guy on the roof with a rifle 150 yards away! It's a pretty big deal to have your "secret service" protection that poor. I hope Biden is getting better "adequate protection" then what Trump got. Do you work for the Democratic party? You don't need to keep repeating your outrage. I get it. And yes, I think the interagency coordination and having local police involved, people who aren't trained in high-level protectee assignments is problematic. If there's anything to take away, there will undoubtedly be an exhaustive investigation into procedural failures and what adjustments need to be made.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 18, 2024 12:37:17 GMT -8
Do you work for the Democratic party?
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2024 12:38:05 GMT -8
Yes, to me that makes more sense IF you're going to go down the conspiracy route. They spotted him with a range finder. Incredible. There's so much incompetence to go around, it makes your head spin. Wait, they spotted him with a "range finder". So he would know the distance between the roof and the stage??? And then what did they do? If that's true... Anyway, that's what I'm saying...thorough investigation. All the facts. What actually happened. www.cbsnews.com/news/sniper-picture-trump-rally-shooter-rangefinder-assassination-attempt/Unbelievable.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 12:39:18 GMT -8
A non-Secret Service contractor.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2024 12:40:46 GMT -8
OK. You are saying he had "adequate protection", but inadequate execution of that protection, leading to real life inadequate protection....that is, a guy on the roof with a rifle 150 yards away! It's a pretty big deal to have your "secret service" protection that poor. I hope Biden is getting better "adequate protection" then what Trump got. Do you work for the Democratic party? You don't need to keep repeating your outrage. I get it. And yes, I think the interagency coordination and having local police involved, people who aren't trained in high-level protectee assignments is problematic. If there's anything to take away, there will undoubtedly be an exhaustive investigation into procedural failures and what adjustments need to be made. It's REALLY unfortunate that agencies/people need to learn from tragedies like this one where someone died and three people were injured.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2024 12:43:46 GMT -8
A non-Secret Service contractor. The SS was not on top of it. Incompetence. They should have had people on top of buildings within range, or surrounding the buildings on the ground, especially of the threats beforehand.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 12:50:30 GMT -8
You don't need to keep repeating your outrage. I get it. And yes, I think the interagency coordination and having local police involved, people who aren't trained in high-level protectee assignments is problematic. If there's anything to take away, there will undoubtedly be an exhaustive investigation into procedural failures and what adjustments need to be made. It's REALLY unfortunate that agencies/people need to learn from tragedies like this one where someone died and three people were injured. The Secret Service started as a department in charge of tracking counterfeit currency, in 1865. Every 20 years, from 1860 to 1900, there was an assassination of a president. The Secret Service learned a lot from their complacency in the Kennedy assassination, since it had been 60 years. Then you had Reagan in 1980, continuing the trend of attempts. History shows us that you learn and adapt, as new challenges continue to arise. One issue at hand: The Secret Service does what they are told by the president. They don't have the capacity to outright overrule the president.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 18, 2024 14:43:31 GMT -8
A non-Secret Service contractor. The SS was not on top of it. Incompetence. They should have had people on top of buildings within range, or surrounding the buildings on the ground, especially of the threats beforehand. What you say or call incompetence...I say it was deliberate...deliberately ignored the sightings/warnings...deliberately created the opportunity...Crooks was told where to go...his rifle was planted by whomever by the roof...nobody saw him carry it in...a way to get up on the roof of a building occupied by law enforcement was provided...that's the only way this went down...Crooks is either the luckiest would-be-assassin in the world...or some undercover Navy Seal/Special Forces operator...that somehow had the logistical/tactical wherewithal to pull off a highly sophisticated plot...Crooks is neither...he had high-level help from Trump et al...because the twice impeached, 34-count convicted felon, convicted fraudster, convicted rapist, loser by 7 million votes, with three pending indictments Republican nominee is the most to benefit from the ordeal....
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Post by aardvark on Jul 18, 2024 14:46:53 GMT -8
The SS was not on top of it. Incompetence. They should have had people on top of buildings within range, or surrounding the buildings on the ground, especially of the threats beforehand. What you say or call incompetence...I say it was deliberate...deliberately ignored the sightings/warnings...deliberately created the opportunity...Crooks was told where to go...his rifle was planted by whomever by the roof...nobody saw him carry it in...a way to get up on the roof of a building occupied by law enforcement was provided...that's the only way this went down...Crooks is either the luckiest would-be-assassin in the world...or some undercover Navy Seal/Special Forces operator...that somehow had the logistical/tactical wherewithal to pull off a highly sophisticated plot...Crooks is neither...he had high-level help from Trump et al...because the twice impeached, 34-count convicted felon, convicted fraudster, convicted rapist, loser by 7 million votes, with three pending indictments Republican nominee is the most to benefit from the ordeal....
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 14:56:07 GMT -8
What you say or call incompetence...I say it was deliberate...deliberately ignored the sightings/warnings...deliberately created the opportunity...Crooks was told where to go...his rifle was planted by whomever by the roof...nobody saw him carry it in...a way to get up on the roof of a building occupied by law enforcement was provided...that's the only way this went down...Crooks is either the luckiest would-be-assassin in the world...or some undercover Navy Seal/Special Forces operator...that somehow had the logistical/tactical wherewithal to pull off a highly sophisticated plot...Crooks is neither...he had high-level help from Trump et al...because the twice impeached, 34-count convicted felon, convicted fraudster, convicted rapist, loser by 7 million votes, with three pending indictments Republican nominee is the most to benefit from the ordeal.... I think this is six in a row.
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Post by azson on Jul 18, 2024 15:08:56 GMT -8
What you say or call incompetence...I say it was deliberate...deliberately ignored the sightings/warnings...deliberately created the opportunity...Crooks was told where to go...his rifle was planted by whomever by the roof...nobody saw him carry it in...a way to get up on the roof of a building occupied by law enforcement was provided...that's the only way this went down...Crooks is either the luckiest would-be-assassin in the world...or some undercover Navy Seal/Special Forces operator...that somehow had the logistical/tactical wherewithal to pull off a highly sophisticated plot...Crooks is neither...he had high-level help from Trump et al...because the twice impeached, 34-count convicted felon, convicted fraudster, convicted rapist, loser by 7 million votes, with three pending indictments Republican nominee is the most to benefit from the ordeal.... At least Thor has something to add (albeit Fox talking points) prior to his stock emoji.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 18, 2024 15:15:53 GMT -8
I think this is six in a row. It's all it deserves.
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Post by azson on Jul 18, 2024 15:24:54 GMT -8
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Post by aardvark on Jul 18, 2024 15:30:58 GMT -8
Get back to me when this one is proven.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2024 15:37:31 GMT -8
The SS was not on top of it. Incompetence. They should have had people on top of buildings within range, or surrounding the buildings on the ground, especially of the threats beforehand. What you say or call incompetence...I say it was deliberate...deliberately ignored the sightings/warnings...deliberately created the opportunity...Crooks was told where to go...his rifle was planted by whomever by the roof...nobody saw him carry it in...a way to get up on the roof of a building occupied by law enforcement was provided...that's the only way this went down...Crooks is either the luckiest would-be-assassin in the world...or some undercover Navy Seal/Special Forces operator...that somehow had the logistical/tactical wherewithal to pull off a highly sophisticated plot...Crooks is neither...he had high-level help from Trump et al...because the twice impeached, 34-count convicted felon, convicted fraudster, convicted rapist, loser by 7 million votes, with three pending indictments Republican nominee is the most to benefit from the ordeal.... Yep, Trump wanted a bullet to buzz his ear and withstand the great possibility that he would die, get a civilian killed and two others injured, just so he could look like a hero. I get it that there's people out there like you, but I'm glad not many. Aardvarks right. All this deserves is a good knee slap, and a ROTFL, big time.
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Post by azson on Jul 18, 2024 15:39:07 GMT -8
Get back to me when this one is proven. My point is that you would have ROFL'd at those 11 as well.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 16:01:20 GMT -8
What you say or call incompetence...I say it was deliberate...deliberately ignored the sightings/warnings...deliberately created the opportunity...Crooks was told where to go...his rifle was planted by whomever by the roof...nobody saw him carry it in...a way to get up on the roof of a building occupied by law enforcement was provided...that's the only way this went down...Crooks is either the luckiest would-be-assassin in the world...or some undercover Navy Seal/Special Forces operator...that somehow had the logistical/tactical wherewithal to pull off a highly sophisticated plot...Crooks is neither...he had high-level help from Trump et al...because the twice impeached, 34-count convicted felon, convicted fraudster, convicted rapist, loser by 7 million votes, with three pending indictments Republican nominee is the most to benefit from the ordeal.... Yep, Trump wanted a bullet to buzz his ear and withstand the great possibility that he would die, get a civilian killed and two others injured, just so he could look like a hero. I get it that there's people out there like you, but I'm glad not many. Aardvarks right. All this deserves is a good knee slap, and a ROTFL, big time. No, it deserves a lot more deep thought than that. You could disagree with the conclusion but still find validity in the premise.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 18, 2024 16:18:30 GMT -8
What you say or call incompetence...I say it was deliberate...deliberately ignored the sightings/warnings...deliberately created the opportunity...Crooks was told where to go...his rifle was planted by whomever by the roof...nobody saw him carry it in...a way to get up on the roof of a building occupied by law enforcement was provided...that's the only way this went down...Crooks is either the luckiest would-be-assassin in the world...or some undercover Navy Seal/Special Forces operator...that somehow had the logistical/tactical wherewithal to pull off a highly sophisticated plot...Crooks is neither...he had high-level help from Trump et al...because the twice impeached, 34-count convicted felon, convicted fraudster, convicted rapist, loser by 7 million votes, with three pending indictments Republican nominee is the most to benefit from the ordeal.... Yep, Trump wanted a bullet to buzz his ear and withstand the great possibility that he would die, get a civilian killed and two others injured, just so he could look like a hero. I get it that there's people out there like you, but I'm glad not many. Aardvarks right. All this deserves is a good knee slap, and a ROTFL, big time. What official medical report says "a bullet" buzzed his ear?...Trump pulled the ole WWF wrestling move of "blading"...he intentionally cut his ear...you see he put his hand up over his ear...then dropped...that's why he hasn't shown anyone his ear...Evander Hollyfield didn't shy away from showing his...why hasn't Trump...because a bullet did not hit him...he intentionally "cut' it...now it's true innocents got killed/maimed...but so did people on Jan 6th...Trump orchestrated that event too...and he doesn't care about other's lives if it advances his agenda.... Wrestling Blading, Explainedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=DsBuWL7osfoThe Secret Of How Wrestlers Actually Bleedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=p5pDnxpWxzc
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2024 16:31:09 GMT -8
Yep, Trump wanted a bullet to buzz his ear and withstand the great possibility that he would die, get a civilian killed and two others injured, just so he could look like a hero. I get it that there's people out there like you, but I'm glad not many. Aardvarks right. All this deserves is a good knee slap, and a ROTFL, big time. What official medical report says "a bullet" buzzed his ear?...Trump pulled the ole WWF wrestling move of "blading"...he intentionally cut his ear...you see he put his hand up over his ear...then dropped...that's why he hasn't shown anyone his ear...Evander Hollyfield didn't shy away from showing his...why hasn't Trump...because a bullet did not hit him...he intentionally "cut' it...now it's true innocents got killed/maimed...but so did people on Jan 6th...Trump orchestrated that event too...and he doesn't care about other's lives if it advances his agenda.... Wrestling Blading, Explainedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=DsBuWL7osfoThe Secret Of How Wrestlers Actually Bleedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=p5pDnxpWxzcOk, so now you're trolling, and I'm not here for it.
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