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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 18:16:15 GMT -8
That doesn't mean HE was a Trump supporter. His parents may have been, but doesn't mean he was. Also, he was obviously mentally unstable, so there's that. How do we know that?
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 18:40:52 GMT -8
That doesn't mean HE was a Trump supporter. His parents may have been, but doesn't mean he was. Also, he was obviously mentally unstable, so there's that. How do we know that? Exactly. We don't know anything yet, concerning that picture.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 18:43:33 GMT -8
Exactly. We don't know anything yet, concerning that picture. What? You said he was clearly mentally unstable. I'm asking you how you know that or how we know that.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 18:52:32 GMT -8
Exactly. We don't know anything yet, concerning that picture. What? You said he was clearly mentally unstable. I'm asking you how you know that or how we know that. Ok. Well, in terms of him being mentally unstable that would seem to be a no brainer. Don't you think someone who would commit an act of that nature is unstable? Or, do you think it's perfectly reasonable?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 19:01:12 GMT -8
What? You said he was clearly mentally unstable. I'm asking you how you know that or how we know that. Ok. Well, in terms of him being mentally unstable that would seem to be a no brainer. Don't you think someone who would commit an act of that nature is unstable? Or, do you think it's perfectly reasonable? Stop using "no brainer." There are very precious few things that are "obvious"...and this is where the extreme generalizations come in. It was a "no brainer" it was a bullet, too, but we have no confirmation from anywhere that that was the case. Be careful when speaking in absolutes. I don't have enough information to speak on the shooter's mental stability or not. But it's worth mentioning that one of Trump's early actions in office was repealing an Obama-era bill that limited firearm access to mentally unstable individuals.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 15, 2024 19:09:27 GMT -8
What? You said he was clearly mentally unstable. I'm asking you how you know that or how we know that. Ok. Well, in terms of him being mentally unstable that would seem to be a no brainer. Don't you think someone who would commit an act of that nature is unstable? Or, do you think it's perfectly reasonable? John, I am agreeing here, based on what we know. This is not a professional..more in line with Hinckley or Chapman..young messed up white male loners that want to make a statement. There are thousands, if not millions n the US. Isolated losers that develop a crazy world/ self view on their own. Definitely not part of some conspiracy..egged on by Joe Biden..as people like JD Vance have advanced. The part that is difficult to understand for most, is how a stupid kid who uses his Dad's gun..and doesn't even buy ammunition until the same day..get in a position like he did.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 19:31:03 GMT -8
Ok. Well, in terms of him being mentally unstable that would seem to be a no brainer. Don't you think someone who would commit an act of that nature is unstable? Or, do you think it's perfectly reasonable? Stop using "no brainer." There are very precious few things that are "obvious"...and this is where the extreme generalizations come in. It was a "no brainer" it was a bullet, too, but we have no confirmation from anywhere that that was the case. Be careful when speaking in absolutes. I don't have enough information to speak on the shooter's mental stability or not. But it's worth mentioning that one of Trump's early actions in office was repealing an Obama-era bill that limited firearm access to mentally unstable individuals. Ryan, you make predictions and state things as facts/absolutes A LOT. Same thing as a no brainer, so I would say be careful yourself. Anyway, if you're having trouble defining him as mentally unstable, but possibly stable, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 19:39:31 GMT -8
Stop using "no brainer." There are very precious few things that are "obvious"...and this is where the extreme generalizations come in. It was a "no brainer" it was a bullet, too, but we have no confirmation from anywhere that that was the case. Be careful when speaking in absolutes. I don't have enough information to speak on the shooter's mental stability or not. But it's worth mentioning that one of Trump's early actions in office was repealing an Obama-era bill that limited firearm access to mentally unstable individuals. Ryan, you make predictions and state things as facts/absolutes A LOT. Same thing as a no brainer, so I would say be careful yourself. Anyway, if you're having trouble defining him as mentally unstable, but possibly stable, then I don't know what to tell you. Making a prediction is not the same thing as saying "clearly, ______ is mentally unstable." Depression is categorized as a mental illness, for example. Would you say someone who was depressed is mentally unstable? We don't yet have a motive. We are missing way too much information, much of it being suppressed by the campaign.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 19:52:21 GMT -8
Ryan, you make predictions and state things as facts/absolutes A LOT. Same thing as a no brainer, so I would say be careful yourself. Anyway, if you're having trouble defining him as mentally unstable, but possibly stable, then I don't know what to tell you. Making a prediction is not the same thing as saying "clearly, ______ is mentally unstable." Depression is categorized as a mental illness, for example. Would you say someone who was depressed is mentally unstable? We don't yet have a motive. We are missing way too much information, much of it being suppressed by the campaign. Ok, forget the prediction part, but I also said that you state things as facts quite often, as well. Yes, I would say somebody that has depression and then tries to assassinate a former POTUS, is mentally unstable. I would also say that that person most likely has severe depression along with other mental health issues. Just so you know, I'm pretty well versed in the mental health area, since I have a Special Needs Child and another child who has depression. My wife and I have fine A LOT of research in that department and dealt with professionals for the last 22 years in order to provide the best life for our child who will live with us the rest of our lives. I'm not saying I'm a Professional on paper, but as you say you follow the Padres very closely, I follow mental health issues just the same. I'm pretty comfortable, and don't feel that I'm going out on a limb, saying that if he were alive they would diagnose him with mental health issues and mentally unstable. Yes, a no brainer.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 20:07:50 GMT -8
Making a prediction is not the same thing as saying "clearly, ______ is mentally unstable." Depression is categorized as a mental illness, for example. Would you say someone who was depressed is mentally unstable? We don't yet have a motive. We are missing way too much information, much of it being suppressed by the campaign. Ok, forget the prediction part, but I also said that you state things as facts quite often, as well. Yes, I would say somebody that has depression and then tries to assassinate a former POTUS, is mentally unstable. I would also say that that person most likely has severe depression along with other mental health issues. Just so you know, I'm pretty well versed in the mental health area, since I have a Special Needs Child and another child who has depression. My wife and I have fine A LOT of research in that department and dealt with professionals for the last 22 years in order to provide the best life for our child who will live with us the rest of our lives. I'm not saying I'm a Professional on paper, but as you say you follow the Padres very closely, I follow mental health issues just the same. I'm pretty comfortable, and don't feel that I'm going out on a limb, saying that if he were alive they would diagnose him with mental health issues and mentally unstable. Yes, a no brainer. Yes, because I do my damnedest to fact check and source what I post, as much as humanly possible. I like to steer away from conspiracy and conjecture, into hardened reality, as much as possible. At the same time, it's fair to question things and be curious, as long as there's a balance to it and it doesn't skew disproportionately one way or another. I went through a decade long battle with clinical depression and my mother worked at a mental health facility for a long time. So, by your definition, I'm mentally unstable. I guess I can live with that, all things considered. I'm not ready to make that determination here, though, until we know more about the history. The pattern of movements suggests planning, coordination and an endgame. Let's hope we get more information at some point. I think it's a lazy generalization that people can cling to for justification, it's an easy fallback.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 15, 2024 20:25:25 GMT -8
What? You said he was clearly mentally unstable. I'm asking you how you know that or how we know that. Ok. Well, in terms of him being mentally unstable that would seem to be a no brainer. Don't you think someone who would commit an act of that nature is unstable? Or, do you think it's perfectly reasonable? What We Know About the Alleged Trump Shooter"From background I've gotten from people that I know that have gone to school with him, he was your typical average kid — more on the quiet side, relatively intelligent," "After high school, Crooks attended the Community College of Allegheny County, where he graduated two months ago with an associates degree in engineering science, the school confirmed to NPR." "...Crooks was known as a brilliant student with a solid future ahead of him." "This caused a lot of students stress, but as far as this person knew there were no behavioral issues with Crooks during his time at CCAC." www.npr.org/2024/07/14/nx-s1-5039185/who-was-alleged-trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooksAbsolutely no one has described Crooks as having mental issues...he was an All-American white kid from the suburbs...with conservative ideologies/proclivities...why would this guy turn on Trump?
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 20:34:11 GMT -8
Ok. Well, in terms of him being mentally unstable that would seem to be a no brainer. Don't you think someone who would commit an act of that nature is unstable? Or, do you think it's perfectly reasonable? What We Know About the Alleged Trump Shooter"From background I've gotten from people that I know that have gone to school with him, he was your typical average kid — more on the quiet side, relatively intelligent," "After high school, Crooks attended the Community College of Allegheny County, where he graduated two months ago with an associates degree in engineering science, the school confirmed to NPR." "...Crooks was known as a brilliant student with a solid future ahead of him." "This caused a lot of students stress, but as far as this person knew there were no behavioral issues with Crooks during his time at CCAC." www.npr.org/2024/07/14/nx-s1-5039185/who-was-alleged-trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooksAbsolutely no one has described Crooks as having mental issues...he was an All-American white kid from the suburbs...with conservative ideologies/proclivities...why would this guy turn on Trump? Which means absolutely zero, in terms of judging whether he has mental health issues, or not.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 20:36:04 GMT -8
Ok, forget the prediction part, but I also said that you state things as facts quite often, as well. Yes, I would say somebody that has depression and then tries to assassinate a former POTUS, is mentally unstable. I would also say that that person most likely has severe depression along with other mental health issues. Just so you know, I'm pretty well versed in the mental health area, since I have a Special Needs Child and another child who has depression. My wife and I have fine A LOT of research in that department and dealt with professionals for the last 22 years in order to provide the best life for our child who will live with us the rest of our lives. I'm not saying I'm a Professional, on paper, but as you say you follow the Padres very closely, I follow mental health issues just the same. I'm pretty comfortable, and don't feel that I'm going out on a limb, saying that if he were alive they would diagnose him with mental health issues and mentally unstable. Yes, a no brainer. Yes, because I do my damnedest to fact check and source what I post, as much as humanly possible. I like to steer away from conspiracy and conjecture, into hardened reality, as much as possible. At the same time, it's fair to question things and be curious, as long as there's a balance to it and it doesn't skew disproportionately one way or another. I went through a decade long battle with clinical depression and my mother worked at a mental health facility for a long time. So, by your definition, I'm mentally unstable. I guess I can live with that, all things considered. I'm not ready to make that determination here, though, until we know more about the history. The pattern of movements suggests planning, coordination and an endgame. Let's hope we get more information at some point. I think it's a lazy generalization that people can cling to for justification, it's an easy fallback. No, it doesn't mean that at all. You can have mental health issues, but not be unstable. I'm hoping for more information, as well.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 20:39:19 GMT -8
Ok. Well, in terms of him being mentally unstable that would seem to be a no brainer. Don't you think someone who would commit an act of that nature is unstable? Or, do you think it's perfectly reasonable? What We Know About the Alleged Trump Shooter"From background I've gotten from people that I know that have gone to school with him, he was your typical average kid — more on the quiet side, relatively intelligent," "After high school, Crooks attended the Community College of Allegheny County, where he graduated two months ago with an associates degree in engineering science, the school confirmed to NPR." "...Crooks was known as a brilliant student with a solid future ahead of him." "This caused a lot of students stress, but as far as this person knew there were no behavioral issues with Crooks during his time at CCAC." www.npr.org/2024/07/14/nx-s1-5039185/who-was-alleged-trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooksAbsolutely no one has described Crooks as having mental issues...he was an All-American white kid from the suburbs...with conservative ideologies/proclivities...why would this guy turn on Trump? Nobody thought Ted "Mr. Charismatic" Bundy could have been a Serial Killer, as well, and there's Many other examples along those lines.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 20:48:40 GMT -8
Trump's appearance at the RNC isn't exactly swaying people, either. We need answers.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 15, 2024 22:05:19 GMT -8
Ok. Well, in terms of him being mentally unstable that would seem to be a no brainer. Don't you think someone who would commit an act of that nature is unstable? Or, do you think it's perfectly reasonable? What We Know About the Alleged Trump Shooter"From background I've gotten from people that I know that have gone to school with him, he was your typical average kid — more on the quiet side, relatively intelligent," "After high school, Crooks attended the Community College of Allegheny County, where he graduated two months ago with an associates degree in engineering science, the school confirmed to NPR." "...Crooks was known as a brilliant student with a solid future ahead of him." "This caused a lot of students stress, but as far as this person knew there were no behavioral issues with Crooks during his time at CCAC." www.npr.org/2024/07/14/nx-s1-5039185/who-was-alleged-trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooksAbsolutely no one has described Crooks as having mental issues...he was an All-American white kid from the suburbs...with conservative ideologies/proclivities...why would this guy turn on Trump? Except maybe he wasn't as conservative as one might think, since he donated to ActBlue. According to other classmates, he was also bullied regularly as a student in high school (per NBC News).
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 22:12:57 GMT -8
What We Know About the Alleged Trump Shooter"From background I've gotten from people that I know that have gone to school with him, he was your typical average kid — more on the quiet side, relatively intelligent," "After high school, Crooks attended the Community College of Allegheny County, where he graduated two months ago with an associates degree in engineering science, the school confirmed to NPR." "...Crooks was known as a brilliant student with a solid future ahead of him." "This caused a lot of students stress, but as far as this person knew there were no behavioral issues with Crooks during his time at CCAC." www.npr.org/2024/07/14/nx-s1-5039185/who-was-alleged-trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooksAbsolutely no one has described Crooks as having mental issues...he was an All-American white kid from the suburbs...with conservative ideologies/proclivities...why would this guy turn on Trump? Except maybe he wasn't as conservative as one might think, since he donated to ActBlue. According to other classmates, he was also bullied regularly as a student in high school (per NBC News). It was $15 when he was 17. Classmates of his were all quoted as saying he was definitely conservative and leaned to the right of center.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 15, 2024 22:34:00 GMT -8
The DNC has been using CIA style destabilization tactics on the Trump campaign. See if any of this rings a bell for any of you liberal Dems.
1). Bombard the leader with controversy.
2). De platform….take away the leader’s ability to communicate with citizens/voters.
3). Drum up bogus investigations and phony legal proceedings.
4). Demonize the leader and stoke the fires of hostility against him/her.
5). Convince the public they are in imminent danger if leader is allowed to continue on.
These are tactics used by the CIA to bring down dictators of foreign countries.
They should never….ever….be used by politicians inside the borders of our country. Yet they have, by this White House. By the Joe Biden White House.
If you are one of the people who has been affected by these tactics, I’m sorry, but you have been conditioned with a destabilizing campaign…….and infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Of course the weaker willed will not realize this has happened and completely deny they are affected. If that is the case, please stay peaceful.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 16, 2024 4:45:54 GMT -8
The DNC has been using CIA style destabilization tactics on the Trump campaign. See if any of this rings a bell for any of you liberal Dems. 1). Bombard the leader with controversy. 2). De platform….take away the leader’s ability to communicate with citizens/voters. 3). Drum up bogus investigations and phony legal proceedings. 4). Demonize the leader and stoke the fires of hostility against him/her. 5). Convince the public they are in imminent danger if leader is allowed to continue on. These are tactics used by the CIA to bring down dictators of foreign countries. They should never….ever….be used by politicians inside the borders of our country. Yet they have, by this White House. By the Joe Biden White House. If you are one of the people who has been affected by these tactics, I’m sorry, but you have been conditioned with a destabilizing campaign…….and infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome. Of course the weaker willed will not realize this has happened and completely deny they are affected. If that is the case, please stay peaceful. Drink up...the kool-aid is good. Your post is intellectually about as dumb as it gets.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 16, 2024 6:23:58 GMT -8
One of the big stories with this that we haven't really talked about is how did the assassin get so close at an elevated position, AND the bystanders actually saw him and alerted police before he shot the president and three rally goers. Still not sure about the time frame. And I heard reports that a police officer tried to engage right before the shooting?
Anyway, that definitely needs to be investigated.
I tend to not think it is a conspiracy on either side, but rather incompetence.
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