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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 9:30:15 GMT -8
I understand what you are saying John. I was just curious about Ryan in this particular case. But I agree, there would be a motivation to minimize what happened to Trump by those that don't like him. I mean just look at some of the headlines from major news organizations! Anyway, it just looks like a bullet really did graze his ear (We haven't seen ANY evidence that an object was hit that caused shrapnel, I haven't heard of any other spectator being injured by "glass"). He is hit from the side of his face that was facing the back of the audience. Audience reaction is of that of a bullet passing by, not striking an object in front of them. And his ear looks like a bullet passed by and took of a piece of it. And no major news organization is saying otherwise. I'm just talking, but it really is wild! After he gets grazed by a bullet that comes within inches of killing him, he fist pumps the audience! That photo of him with blood on his face, fist pumping the audience, with the American flag behind him...Crazy stuff! Honesty, love him or hate him that is pretty bad ass! If you are anti-trump this is a nightmare! Joe is having, let's just say, difficulty and his opponent is fist pumping a crowd after being shot at and "hit" by a bullet! Yeah, if I'm anti-trump I would be trying to minimize this big time. Correct, like him or not, Trump took advantage of every moment in that scenario. He's no dummy in that regard. To get up afterwards and pump your fist with blood running down your face after an assassination attempt on you IS pretty badass, no matter who the person is doing it. The optics were stunning in that regard. If Biden did all of that, people would look at him in a different regard and forget about a lot of his health short comings. If anything, it helps Trump in the election. It certainly doesn't hurt. Of course it's an attempt at minimizing the event, basically saying "It was only glass, and not a bullet." "He's fine." That's an easy one. Because that's what was reported...and he went to golf immediately. His campaign hasn't confirmed any details. The medical staff hasn't confirmed any details. Law enforcement sources have not confirmed many details. That's not odd, in the slightest?
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 9:49:13 GMT -8
Correct, like him or not, Trump took advantage of every moment in that scenario. He's no dummy in that regard. To get up afterwards and pump your fist with blood running down your face after an assassination attempt on you IS pretty badass, no matter who the person is doing it. The optics were stunning in that regard. If Biden did all of that, people would look at him in a different regard and forget about a lot of his health short comings. If anything, it helps Trump in the election. It certainly doesn't hurt. Of course it's an attempt at minimizing the event, basically saying "It was only glass, and not a bullet." "He's fine." That's an easy one. Because that's what was reported...and he went to golf immediately. His campaign hasn't confirmed any details. The medical staff hasn't confirmed any details. Law enforcement sources have not confirmed many details. That's not odd, in the slightest? Maybe because it's a no brainer that it was a bullet and they're not going to entertain the idea that it was glass. It was on video for all yo see. Even if it was glass, it's still a serious situation and not one to minimize. It was an assassination attempt. Sheesh. Taking this amount of time for details I don't believe is all that uncommon. It would be great if they would, but I'm not shocked that they haven't in this uncommon situation. They haven't given aot of details concerning the shooter as well.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 9:57:52 GMT -8
Because that's what was reported...and he went to golf immediately. His campaign hasn't confirmed any details. The medical staff hasn't confirmed any details. Law enforcement sources have not confirmed many details. That's not odd, in the slightest? Maybe because it's a no brainer that it was a bullet and they're not going to entertain the idea that it was glass. It was on video for all yo see. Even if it was glass, it's still a serious situation and not one to minimize. It was an assassination attempt. Sheesh. Taking this amount of time for details I don't believe is all that uncommon. It would be great if they would, but I'm not shocked that they haven't in this uncommon situation. They haven't given aot of details concerning the shooter as well. But it's *not* a no-brainer (and man, you abuse that word)...and that's not how assassination attempts against a former president work. They are dissected to death, from every angle, because they are used to update and reinforce Secret Service protocols and provisions. As much as Trump can fundraise off this event, all the confirmation we have at this point is a Truth Social post from himself. The campaign is silent, they are threatening to fire people who speak on the record. The medical team that treated him? Crickets. It's not normal behavior. We know way more about the shooter than we do about anything else. It's not remotely close.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 15, 2024 11:13:00 GMT -8
Maybe because it's a no brainer that it was a bullet and they're not going to entertain the idea that it was glass. It was on video for all yo see. Even if it was glass, it's still a serious situation and not one to minimize. It was an assassination attempt. Sheesh. Taking this amount of time for details I don't believe is all that uncommon. It would be great if they would, but I'm not shocked that they haven't in this uncommon situation. They haven't given aot of details concerning the shooter as well. But it's *not* a no-brainer (and man, you abuse that word)...and that's not how assassination attempts against a former president work. They are dissected to death, from every angle, because they are used to update and reinforce Secret Service protocols and provisions. As much as Trump can fundraise off this event, all the confirmation we have at this point is a Truth Social post from himself. The campaign is silent, they are threatening to fire people who speak on the record. The medical team that treated him? Crickets. It's not normal behavior. We know way more about the shooter than we do about anything else. It's not remotely close. It's completely irrelevant if he got hit by glass or a bullet. He was hit with a projectile as a result of gunfire in an assassination attempt. Why do you care to focus on such trivial details?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:17:21 GMT -8
But it's *not* a no-brainer (and man, you abuse that word)...and that's not how assassination attempts against a former president work. They are dissected to death, from every angle, because they are used to update and reinforce Secret Service protocols and provisions. As much as Trump can fundraise off this event, all the confirmation we have at this point is a Truth Social post from himself. The campaign is silent, they are threatening to fire people who speak on the record. The medical team that treated him? Crickets. It's not normal behavior. We know way more about the shooter than we do about anything else. It's not remotely close. It's completely irrelevant if he got hit by glass or a bullet. He was hit with a projectile as a result of gunfire in an assassination attempt. Why do you care to focus on such trivial details? Because they aren't trivial.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:43:16 GMT -8
But it's *not* a no-brainer (and man, you abuse that word)...and that's not how assassination attempts against a former president work. They are dissected to death, from every angle, because they are used to update and reinforce Secret Service protocols and provisions. As much as Trump can fundraise off this event, all the confirmation we have at this point is a Truth Social post from himself. The campaign is silent, they are threatening to fire people who speak on the record. The medical team that treated him? Crickets. It's not normal behavior. We know way more about the shooter than we do about anything else. It's not remotely close. It's completely irrelevant if he got hit by glass or a bullet. He was hit with a projectile as a result of gunfire in an assassination attempt. Why do you care to focus on such trivial details? First and foremost, facts matter. Simply put. Yes, there was apparently a credible attempt at assassinating the former president. That act alone requires answers. Misrepresentations of the events should not be allowed to shape discourse. We've already seen it on here. "He was millimeters away from death. He's a badass. He's a legend. He's a hero. He exudes strength." Those things go away quickly if he wasn't even struck with a bullet. He's going to fundraise off this event, obviously. Meanwhile, someone actually did die. No statement from the campaign, no interview, no nothing. Axios ran an article saying Trump was going to be a "changed man" and "getting shot in the face really changes you." Then, just hours later, Trump posts on Truth Social about unifying the country...except it's all about his legal jeopardy, the dismissal in Florida and all about himself. Accountability and transparency matter, especially in events like this. We need the truth.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 15, 2024 11:58:02 GMT -8
I agree at it's core, it is trivial (whether it was a bullet or fragment/shrapnel). But it isn't trivial in the sense of "story" and "image". My guess is that why Ryan would like it not to be a bullet.
I think it is fair to say that you (Ryan) want to wait to get confirmation from medical, FBI, etc. if it was a bullet or some type of fragment. But that is not what you stated, you said it was NOT a bullet.
Again, you might be right, but I just don't see any evidence that you are, and the evidence currently points to a bullet grazing his ear. And if that is the case, it does make it even more remarkable. If it is not the case, it doesn't change the fundamental nature of the assassination attempt and Trumps response to it.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 11:58:20 GMT -8
But it's *not* a no-brainer (and man, you abuse that word)...and that's not how assassination attempts against a former president work. They are dissected to death, from every angle, because they are used to update and reinforce Secret Service protocols and provisions. As much as Trump can fundraise off this event, all the confirmation we have at this point is a Truth Social post from himself. The campaign is silent, they are threatening to fire people who speak on the record. The medical team that treated him? Crickets. It's not normal behavior. We know way more about the shooter than we do about anything else. It's not remotely close. It's completely irrelevant if he got hit by glass or a bullet. He was hit with a projectile as a result of gunfire in an assassination attempt. Why do you care to focus on such trivial details? The answers ANOTHER no brainer.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 12:08:07 GMT -8
I agree at it's core, it is trivial (whether it was a bullet or fragment/shrapnel). But it isn't trivial in the sense of "story" and "image". My guess is that why Ryan would like it not to be a bullet. I think it is fair to say that you (Ryan) want to wait to get confirmation from medical, FBI, etc. if it was a bullet or some type of fragment. But that is not what you stated, you said it was NOT a bullet. Again, you might be right, but I just don't see any evidence that you are, and the evidence currently points to a bullet grazing his ear. And if that is the case, it does make it even more remarkable. If it is not the case, it doesn't change the fundamental nature of the assassination attempt and Trumps response to it. What I would like is truth and transparency from the situation, as a starting point. Romanticizing the event, though, is not on my card. And it does completely change the narrative in a multitude of ways.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 15, 2024 12:19:57 GMT -8
A 20-year-old white man...from the lily-white suburbs...who is a registered Republican...who belonged to a right-wing extremist group...believer of conservative ideology...staunch believer in the 2nd Amendment...why would he turn on Donald Trump?...he was no Black/Immigrant...from the hood/barrio...lefty liberal...who belonged to ACT UP/Antifa...believer in progressive ideology...anti-gun...who did the shooting...it was one of Trump's own...why would dude turn on him?...why?...because he is a patsy...set up...the fall guy...in a staged event to get attention off of 34 felony convictions...$89 million rape conviction...$450 million fraud conviction...underage girls (Epstein Files)...Project 2025...and nobody talking about Trump because all the attention is on Biden...especially after Biden lit into him at his MI rally...nothing changes the narrative like a fake assassination attempt....
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 15, 2024 13:27:22 GMT -8
Yes, the truth. We are in agreement on that.
I really do think you should read "The righteous Mind: why good people are divided by politics and religion" by Jonathon Haidt if you haven't already.
My concern for you is that you put your ideology above the truth more than most (I'm sure we all do to some extent). It is a pattern that can cause a lot more harm than good.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 13:31:21 GMT -8
Yes, the truth. We are in agreement on that. I really do think you should read "The righteous Mind: why good people are divided by politics and religion" by Jonathon Haidt if you haven't already. My concern for you is that you put your ideology above the truth more than most (I'm sure we all do to some extent). It is a pattern that can cause a lot more harm than good. Fair point, but I'm pretty level-headed when it comes to stuff like this. I think we're owed the truth so we can make informed decisions. I'm certainly not going to wash it away with "It doesn't matter." Ignorance isn't a path.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 13:31:54 GMT -8
I agree at it's core, it is trivial (whether it was a bullet or fragment/shrapnel). But it isn't trivial in the sense of "story" and "image". My guess is that why Ryan would like it not to be a bullet. I think it is fair to say that you (Ryan) want to wait to get confirmation from medical, FBI, etc. if it was a bullet or some type of fragment. But that is not what you stated, you said it was NOT a bullet. Again, you might be right, but I just don't see any evidence that you are, and the evidence currently points to a bullet grazing his ear. And if that is the case, it does make it even more remarkable. If it is not the case, it doesn't change the fundamental nature of the assassination attempt and Trumps response to it. What I would like is truth and transparency from the situation, as a starting point. Romanticizing the event, though, is not on my card. And it does completely change the narrative in a multitude of ways. You said you already know. You said it was NOT a bullet. ONLY a piece of glass. He's fine. Why all the melodrama.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 13:36:59 GMT -8
What I would like is truth and transparency from the situation, as a starting point. Romanticizing the event, though, is not on my card. And it does completely change the narrative in a multitude of ways. You said you already know. You said it was NOT a bullet. ONLY a piece of glass. He's fine. Why all the melodrama. People who are shot in the head do not stand up to get their shoes. They don't get posed for photo ops. The behavior is atypical of what you'd expect from the chaos of a mass casualty type event. The melodrama refers to Trump nearly being "killed." The hospital team is apparently deferring to his campaign, so I'm guessing the truth will be elusive.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 15, 2024 13:45:30 GMT -8
A 20-year-old white man...from the lily-white suburbs...who is a registered Republican...who belonged to a right-wing extremist group...believer of conservative ideology...staunch believer in the 2nd Amendment...why would he turn on Donald Trump?...he was no Black/Immigrant...from the hood/barrio...lefty liberal...who belonged to ACT UP/Antifa...believer in progressive ideology...anti-gun...who did the shooting...it was one of Trump's own...why would dude turn on him?...why?...because he is a patsy...set up...the fall guy...in a staged event to get attention off of 34 felony convictions...$89 million rape conviction...$450 million fraud conviction...underage girls (Epstein Files)...Project 2025...and nobody talking about Trump because all the attention is on Biden...especially after Biden lit into him at his MI rally...nothing changes the narrative like a fake assassination attempt....
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 14:22:01 GMT -8
A 20-year-old white man...from the lily-white suburbs...who is a registered Republican...who belonged to a right-wing extremist group...believer of conservative ideology...staunch believer in the 2nd Amendment...why would he turn on Donald Trump?...he was no Black/Immigrant...from the hood/barrio...lefty liberal...who belonged to ACT UP/Antifa...believer in progressive ideology...anti-gun...who did the shooting...it was one of Trump's own...why would dude turn on him?...why?...because he is a patsy...set up...the fall guy...in a staged event to get attention off of 34 felony convictions...$89 million rape conviction...$450 million fraud conviction...underage girls (Epstein Files)...Project 2025...and nobody talking about Trump because all the attention is on Biden...especially after Biden lit into him at his MI rally...nothing changes the narrative like a fake assassination attempt.... Details...
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 16:54:00 GMT -8
We're missing something.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 15, 2024 17:08:06 GMT -8
Yep, not what the magas wanted. A 20 year old kid, who bought ammunition the day of.....and used his Dad's gun! For the narrative, a Ukrainian or a professional hit man for the DNC would have been better. They probably didn't shoot him first because he was "open carry" in a state that allows it. "He hasnt' broken any laws yet". Talk about a bannana Republic.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 17:55:32 GMT -8
That doesn't mean HE was a Trump supporter. His parents may have been, but doesn't mean he was. Also, he was obviously mentally unstable, so there's that.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 15, 2024 18:09:27 GMT -8
That doesn't mean HE was a Trump supporter. His parents may have been, but doesn't mean he was. Also, he was obviously mentally unstable, so there's that. Why are all the white guys with AR-15s mentally unstable...and no Black man without a weapon ever is...i.e. the mentally unstable Black guy killed by the former Marine white dude on the NY Subway?...why is it never his two-parent family...white culture...or him just plain evil?
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