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Post by jcljorgenson on May 14, 2024 15:17:08 GMT -8
The situation is dumb, not the player. Exactly, if Osobar can get $2 million in NIL, he is making a wise decision! But the system is clearly broken if a college is willing to pay a player more than a professional team (and basically just for a one year contract). |
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Post by 84aztec96 on May 14, 2024 16:21:20 GMT -8
I see it differently. The system isn't broken. It is working incredibly well in the sense of being very profitable. People are voluntarily paying their money to watch the players play, advertise, etc.. Now we are getting a look at what the players are really worth. If they generate more money than the NBA, they SHOULD get paid more!
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Post by uncledougy on May 14, 2024 23:19:32 GMT -8
One positive residual is college players should be willing to stay in college longer to get $ they wouldn’t otherwise get….or at least get it without having to navigate the pro environment yet.
It will still be there the next year or year after.
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Post by chris92065 on May 15, 2024 5:16:04 GMT -8
This kid is going to be under immense pressure. The investors will want a Roi of winning a championship. If Oregon gets bounced in the Sweet 16, does it not qualify as a good season? In the past, I am sure that would be enough. Now, that is a shifty season. When they don't produce, these kids will be ripped a new a—hole. To me, the scrutiny will be unbearable. Especially in basketball. Because if these kids were good enough, they would be in the NBA. Rookie contracts are guaranteed and worth way more than nil money. These kids are just good college players. Good college players have bad nights. If they didn't, they would be in the NBA. Those bad nights will be brutal on them mentally from the blowback from the fans because of raised expectations. In the past, you were just a kid trying to get a degree and ball; now, you are a paid athlete under enormous pressure to win.
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Post by 84aztec96 on May 15, 2024 5:32:34 GMT -8
I do think the current "NIL" system shouldn't remain. It needs to be a revenue sharing system of some sort, similar to a professional league. The question will be, how exactly will the revenue be shared?
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Post by sancarlosaztec on May 15, 2024 10:29:04 GMT -8
FWIW, this is the way that I view the current situation...
I don't judge anyone who remains interested and even passionate about college sports. However, personally, I've moved on. I have no interest in college basketball and football in general in the current NIL and transfer portal era. Unfortunately, rooting for SDSU teams is at this point baked-in to who I am. So, if I'm honest with myself I know a part of me will always be interested in the success of SDSU athletics no matter the level they compete at. I just won't waste my time or my money. There is too much living to do with so little time left. Thus, I turn my interests elsewhere. It was a long fun ride. Time to see what is next.
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on May 15, 2024 13:35:11 GMT -8
FWIW, this is the way that I view the current situation... I don't judge anyone who remains interested and even passionate about college sports. However, personally, I've moved on. I have no interest in college basketball and football in general in the current NIL and transfer portal era. Unfortunately, rooting for SDSU teams is at this point baked-in to who I am. So, if I'm honest with myself I know a part of me will always be interested in the success of SDSU athletics no matter the level they compete at. I just won't waste my time or my money. There is too much living to do with so little time left. Thus, I turn my interests elsewhere. It was a long fun ride. Time to see what is next. I can understand and appreciate your view and feelings. Honestly, I am struggling right now if I want to renew my basketball seats. It isn't about the money but my loss of interest for the sport. I have had these things for 20+ years and this is the first time I am questioning it. If it wasn't for this Sales Cat texting and emailing and calling me just about every single day I would probably just give them up. I am struggling with the decision and I need to decide in the next week or so. |
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Post by AzTex on May 15, 2024 13:47:07 GMT -8
FWIW, this is the way that I view the current situation... I don't judge anyone who remains interested and even passionate about college sports. However, personally, I've moved on. I have no interest in college basketball and football in general in the current NIL and transfer portal era. Unfortunately, rooting for SDSU teams is at this point baked-in to who I am. So, if I'm honest with myself I know a part of me will always be interested in the success of SDSU athletics no matter the level they compete at. I just won't waste my time or my money. There is too much living to do with so little time left. Thus, I turn my interests elsewhere. It was a long fun ride. Time to see what is next. I can understand and appreciate your view and feelings. Honestly, I am struggling right now if I want to renew my basketball seats. It isn't about the money but my loss of interest for the sport. I have had these things for 20+ years and this is the first time I am questioning it. If it wasn't for this Sales Cat texting and emailing and calling me just about every single day I would probably just give them up. I am struggling with the decision and I need to decide in the next week or so. I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games.
I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
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Post by zurac315 on May 15, 2024 14:55:37 GMT -8
I see it differently. The system isn't broken. It is working incredibly well in the sense of being very profitable. People are voluntarily paying their money to watch the players play, advertise, etc.. Now we are getting a look at what the players are really worth. If they generate more money than the NBA, they SHOULD get paid more! What they're really worth to whom? Certainly not to me. |
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Post by zurac315 on May 15, 2024 15:02:01 GMT -8
I can understand and appreciate your view and feelings. Honestly, I am struggling right now if I want to renew my basketball seats. It isn't about the money but my loss of interest for the sport. I have had these things for 20+ years and this is the first time I am questioning it. If it wasn't for this Sales Cat texting and emailing and calling me just about every single day I would probably just give them up. I am struggling with the decision and I need to decide in the next week or so. I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games. I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
Naw, many people are beginning to feel like you do. I wouldn't like the idea of NIL the way it is now even if I was a fan of a school with a vast pocketbook. This whole thing just feels wrong. I think players do deserve compensation. However, I've never felt that an athlete is worth the vast sums that many are getting these days. There are many things that are more important to me than entertainment. |
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Post by azdick on May 15, 2024 15:27:39 GMT -8
I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games. I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
Naw, many people are beginning to feel like you do. I wouldn't like the idea of NIL the way it is now even if I was a fan of a school with a vast pocketbook. This whole thing just feels wrong. I think players do deserve compensation. However, I've never felt that an athlete is worth the vast sums that many are getting these days. There are many things that are more important to me than entertainment. The NCAA should have fixed this years ago. Ed O’Bannon filed his suit in 1998 for $#!+’s sake! Now the “$ystem” is blowing up beyond repair. No one is in control and therefore there is anarchy. Someone better get a handle on this or there will be a few haves controlling media rights and the rest of the schools, including SDSU, will be swimming in a pool with no water. It sucks, but then, that’s the results of living in the presence of greed in this society. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 15, 2024 20:02:50 GMT -8
Jonathan Givony who broke this story confirmed that they reviewed documents/contracts confirming the 2 million number that was reported. They specifically reported the 2 million as the highest-paid KNOWN player in all of college basketball. “Known” being emphasized because they reviewed the documents not “pie in the sky measures” lol if he is really making 2 million dollars college sports is about to die. Fans will lose interest. Nobody doesn't want these kids to make some money with the tv rights deal but it just becomes another pro league. the college education, university kinda fall out the window. Maybe we need two different leagues. Giving a kid 50K-100K while he goes to school so he can live is a lot different than 2 million for basically a pro athlete. Givony broke the story based on documents supplied by the agent who is incentivized to want other players to use him. Givony also did not talk to the specifics of the contract, only that it has a value of $2M and included some marketing guarantees. It very easily could include incentive based incentives and inflated value items such as a donor proving air miles for Osobors family to use in travel, the value of a house for a year and a car lease, where the claimed value is the overall price of the car. It also may include the value of items he'd receive without NIL, such as the Pell, Alston & Cost of Living stipend. Givony didn't talk to the specifics. As others have said, let's see the tax return before believing the true value. BTW, ironically much of the NIL is being paid by the estate of fired coach Mike Hopkin's dad. |
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Post by missiontrails on May 16, 2024 7:04:38 GMT -8
The very fact we now have "player agents" involved will just end up speeding up the downward spiral of this almost completely unregulated sh*tstorm. Greed and stupidity have ruined another good thing.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Sept 11, 2024 14:21:42 GMT -8
I can understand and appreciate your view and feelings. Honestly, I am struggling right now if I want to renew my basketball seats. It isn't about the money but my loss of interest for the sport. I have had these things for 20+ years and this is the first time I am questioning it. If it wasn't for this Sales Cat texting and emailing and calling me just about every single day I would probably just give them up. I am struggling with the decision and I need to decide in the next week or so. I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games. I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
Yeah, I think there are many who may be thinking along these lines, but they are probably just old guys like me. Maybe for the younger generations this is just fine. Can't help but wonder how USC's partnership with Cookies brand (cannibis) will be viewed. I would never have envisioned the day that universities would be partnering with private equity firms, hedge funds and cannibis companies to generate revenue streams on top of mega million dollar annual revenues from media partnerships, CFP and NCAA March Madness credits. Meanwhile, athletes (dropped the student part) just jump around chasing the almighty dollar with as many different schools as they can fit due to unregulated NIL and transfer portal opportunities. This whole thing is absolutely bonkers. What a freaking clown show. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Sept 11, 2024 15:08:42 GMT -8
I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games. I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
Yeah, I think there are many who may be thinking along these lines, but they are probably just old guys like me. Maybe for the younger generations this is just fine. Can't help but wonder how USC's partnership with Cookies brand (cannibis) will be viewed. I would never have envisioned the day that universities would be partnering with private equity firms, hedge funds and cannibis companies to generate revenue streams on top of mega million dollar annual revenues from media partnerships, CFP and NCAA March Madness credits. Meanwhile, athletes (dropped the student part) just jump around chasing the almighty dollar with as many different schools as they can fit due to unregulated NIL and transfer portal opportunities. This whole thing is absolutely bonkers. What a freaking clown show. I'm in my early 30's and feel the same way |
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 11, 2024 15:38:00 GMT -8
He's definitely not Great |
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 11, 2024 16:22:20 GMT -8
I've already renewed both football and basketball for the coming seasons. I going to wait and see how I feel sitting in the stands before deciding what to do in future years. I never, never thought there was any way I'd lose interest in Aztec football and basketball. Now I wonder and worry if it's going to happen. This is after over 60 years of attending Aztec games. I expected to get flamed when I first expressed my concern about losing interest due to the effects of NIL. That hasn't happened. It appears there are more of us starting to feel the same way than I imagined.
Naw, many people are beginning to feel like you do. I wouldn't like the idea of NIL the way it is now even if I was a fan of a school with a vast pocketbook. This whole thing just feels wrong. I think players do deserve compensation. However, I've never felt that an athlete is worth the vast sums that many are getting these days. There are many things that are more important to me than entertainment. As an aside I have a nephew who played for Stanford circa 2006 and even he is losing interest in college football what with the transfer portal and NIL. |
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Post by TPAztec on Sept 12, 2024 5:33:05 GMT -8
Naw, many people are beginning to feel like you do. I wouldn't like the idea of NIL the way it is now even if I was a fan of a school with a vast pocketbook. This whole thing just feels wrong. I think players do deserve compensation. However, I've never felt that an athlete is worth the vast sums that many are getting these days. There are many things that are more important to me than entertainment. As an aside I have a nephew who played for Stanford circa 2006 and even he is losing interest in college football what with the transfer portal and NIL. Look. NIL is a double edged sword. As someone who works in college athletics, NIL gives smaller teams the chance to get recruits that they might not normally get. Case in point, Georgia Tech, Rugters, UCF, all lower P5 schools getting some pretty damn good recruits. It also means that you don't take as many recruits from any given signing class, as the transfer portal is more important for high P5 teams. It's a talent trickledown that will inevitably help SDSU in the long run, but as of now, it's kinda iffy because of our situation with a new coach and new staff. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Sept 12, 2024 7:14:19 GMT -8
As an aside I have a nephew who played for Stanford circa 2006 and even he is losing interest in college football what with the transfer portal and NIL. Look. NIL is a double edged sword. As someone who works in college athletics, NIL gives smaller teams the chance to get recruits that they might not normally get. Case in point, Georgia Tech, Rugters, UCF, all lower P5 schools getting some pretty damn good recruits. It also means that you don't take as many recruits from any given signing class, as the transfer portal is more important for high P5 teams. It's a talent trickledown that will inevitably help SDSU in the long run, but as of now, it's kinda iffy because of our situation with a new coach and new staff. If I understand correctly, the argument goes that major Major conference schools are now poaching transfers so high school recruits are forced to consider minor Major schools (and maybe even some G5 schools). The problem is that the transfer market is comprised of kids leaving wherever they are for more money. Those are the kids at the beginning of the cycle outlined above. In short, there’s no second edge to the sword. NIL and unrestricted transfers combines to make, in theory, circumstances that efficiently ensure the best players end up where they can make the most money. There will be exceptions and inefficiencies to exploit, but I think it’s too optimistic to suggest anything close to an equilibrium in the drawbacks/benefits to these changes. All that said, it’s completely out of our (fans) and the schools’ hands. I wish I could get excited about the potential for SDSU, but I’m afraid I just don’t see much to be optimistic about. If Pharaoh Compton is amazing this year, there’s a good chance he’s playing for UCLA next year. |
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