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Post by zurac315 on May 13, 2024 15:29:01 GMT -8
To put things in perspective... My entire working career, I earned ~ $1.5mm. My wife earned ~ $2mm. I retired at 47 (2019) and my wife at 52 (2018). We live a very comfortable life (solid middle class) here in Las Vegas. Some of these very good college players, who have a 0% chance of playing in the NBA, COULD (and SHOULD) never have to 'work' another day in the remainder of their lives. By failing to compete in the NIL $$$ race... is it possible that SDSU won't even have a men's basketball team in 10 years, or sooner? If so, then we won't have a basketball team in 10 years. Yes it is very possible. Or, we will be in a lower division with many other schools that can't waste money like the big boys. |
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Post by pitboss on May 13, 2024 15:29:36 GMT -8
Osobor is making more $$$ then ANY MWC MBB coach....
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Post by zurac315 on May 13, 2024 15:32:38 GMT -8
To put things in perspective... My entire working career, I earned ~ $1.5mm. My wife earned ~ $2mm. I retired at 47 (2019) and my wife at 52 (2018). We live a very comfortable life (solid middle class) here in Las Vegas. Some of these very good college players, who have a 0% chance of playing in the NBA, COULD (and SHOULD) never have to 'work' another day in the remainder of their lives. By failing to compete in the NIL $$$ race... is it possible that SDSU won't even have a men's basketball team in 10 years, or sooner?Hopefully that's not what will happen. Maybe a lower, scholarship only division will be created. Unlike many here, I'd be happier with a team of actual student athletes that are playing for the Aztecs because they want to rather than a bunch of pro athletes earning tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for wearing the Aztec uniforms. Not sure I can keep my passion for the Aztecs in the latter scenario. Of course this is correct. I have a nephew who played football for Stanford about 10 years ago and he is no longer interested in college sports because of this mess. |
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Post by AzTex on May 13, 2024 15:35:11 GMT -8
Hopefully that's not what will happen. Maybe a lower, scholarship only division will be created. Unlike many here, I'd be happier with a team of actual student athletes that are playing for the Aztecs because they want to rather than a bunch of pro athletes earning tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for wearing the Aztec uniforms. Not sure I can keep my passion for the Aztecs in the latter scenario. Of course this is correct. I have a nephew who played football for Stanford about 10 years ago and he is no longer interested in college sports because of this mess. I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that for me. I'm trying to keep a positive outlook. |
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Post by aztecswinagain on May 13, 2024 16:21:36 GMT -8
Listen to the Gottlieb stuff, really interesting… only one agent, but a successful one…A couple of points 1. Donors are asking about ROI on tournament wins, not seeing return, patient for now. 2. A $200k player last year is a $400k to $500k player this year. 3. Lots of players actually getting much, much less than promised It's Schakel's agent. Did find it interesting that you don't need to be a financial planner/lawyer to be an agent. He didn't even go to college, but it's a good interview. I like that Gottlieb countered him enough to keep it balanced, such as the comment about how Poneman said donors will always be there & will donate to collectives instead of to facilities & Doug said a) the building is tax deductible (some collective donations aren't) & b) the name stays on the building but not the athlete. I also found it interesting that some of the numbers thrown around include money the athlete was getting w/o NIL (Pel/Alston/Cost of Living) & $$ that really isn't there, such as quoting the full price of a nice car (i.e., $80k) when the athlete is only getting the leased amount for X months. You literally could quota $100k when in actuality he's getting $6k via a 10-month lease. One of the guys who covers UW athletes basically said "don't believe everything you read" re: Osobor's NIL package. I do think a good portion may be real, but a lot of it could be based on pie in the sky measures (natty, X people buying various products, etc.). BTW, the theory is it's Steve Ballmer's money & it's incentive based, but it's just a rumor. Jonathan Givony who broke this story confirmed that they reviewed documents/contracts confirming the 2 million number that was reported. They specifically reported the 2 million as the highest-paid KNOWN player in all of college basketball. “Known” being emphasized because they reviewed the documents not “pie in the sky measures” lol |
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Post by azdick on May 13, 2024 16:50:31 GMT -8
Of course this is correct. I have a nephew who played football for Stanford about 10 years ago and he is no longer interested in college sports because of this mess. I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that for me. I'm trying to keep a positive outlook. Yeah, I’m pretty much done with this mess. I’ll continue to support through scollies, and increase for Olympic sports, but the NIL aspect has ruined football and MBB for me.time for different priorities. What a shame and a sham. |
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Post by AzTex on May 13, 2024 16:56:02 GMT -8
I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that for me. I'm trying to keep a positive outlook. Yeah, I’m pretty much done with this mess. I’ll continue to support through scollies, and increase for Olympic sports, but the NIL aspect has ruined football and MBB for me.time for different priorities. What a shame and a sham. I haven't given up ... yet. I'm hoping that next football/basketball season when I go to the games I can still get that tingle when the Aztecs come on the field/court. But, I really worry that's it's going to be like my first Christmas morning after a found out the secret about Santa. The presents were nice, but the magic was gone. |
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Post by azdick on May 13, 2024 17:08:52 GMT -8
Yeah, I’m pretty much done with this mess. I’ll continue to support through scollies, and increase for Olympic sports, but the NIL aspect has ruined football and MBB for me.time for different priorities. What a shame and a sham. I haven't given up ... yet. I'm hoping that next football/basketball season when I go to the games I can still get that tingle when the Aztecs come on the field/court. But, I really worry that's it's going to be like my first Christmas morning after a found out the secret about Santa. The presents were nice, but the magic was gone. Tex, you and I are cut from the same cloth; we were brought up on Coryell and Ziegenfuss and the love for the games they coached and for the excitement of watching young kids exceed our wildest dreams. Just not going to be the same with the buying and selling of talent. As you suggest, the kids are now going to be pros and I don’t support pro sports with my limited resources. Sad day for me. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 13, 2024 18:18:10 GMT -8
Yeah, I’m pretty much done with this mess. I’ll continue to support through scollies, and increase for Olympic sports, but the NIL aspect has ruined football and MBB for me.time for different priorities. What a shame and a sham. I haven't given up ... yet. I'm hoping that next football/basketball season when I go to the games I can still get that tingle when the Aztecs come on the field/court. But, I really worry that's it's going to be like my first Christmas morning after a found out the secret about Santa. The presents were nice, but the magic was gone. I'm in that same boat. I'm hoping that in the near future they restructure the thing, and make it at least more tolerable, so to speak. |
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Post by zurac315 on May 13, 2024 19:39:05 GMT -8
There needs to be some type of reasonable yearly spending cap. Formula One did this to reduce the disparity between the wealthy teams and those with fewer resources. So there is a precedent for such a thing. I see no reason why a conference or several conferences couldn't agree to a spending cap. Players who were not satisfied could try to find a conference with a higher cap. Of course, a conference with a higher cap might not want that player.
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Post by AzTex on May 13, 2024 21:25:14 GMT -8
I haven't given up ... yet. I'm hoping that next football/basketball season when I go to the games I can still get that tingle when the Aztecs come on the field/court. But, I really worry that's it's going to be like my first Christmas morning after a found out the secret about Santa. The presents were nice, but the magic was gone. Tex, you and I are cut from the same cloth; we were brought up on Coryell and Ziegenfuss and the love for the games they coached and for the excitement of watching young kids exceed our wildest dreams. Just not going to be the same with the buying and selling of talent. As you suggest, the kids are now going to be pros and I don’t support pro sports with my limited resources. Sad day for me. It wasn't just the success of Coryell and Ziegenfuss. We were still there just as passionate during all the years of football and basketball wandering in the desert after them. As you say, it was because it was being done for the love of the games. It seems that love of the game just for the game's sake is being replaced with a paycheck. |
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Post by AzTex on May 13, 2024 21:34:08 GMT -8
I haven't given up ... yet. I'm hoping that next football/basketball season when I go to the games I can still get that tingle when the Aztecs come on the field/court. But, I really worry that's it's going to be like my first Christmas morning after a found out the secret about Santa. The presents were nice, but the magic was gone. I'm in that same boat. I'm hoping that in the near future they restructure the thing, and make it at least more tolerable, so to speak. I'm not sure what could be done to make it more tolerable. I'm not sure I want to watch professional college athletes whether they're being paid $2,000,000, $200,000 or $20,000 to play.
Maybe if NIL was actually paid for use of the player's name, image and likeness and not pay for play. I had hoped NIL would be reasonable market rates paid by local business to use players in their advertising, meet and greet promotions, etc. Right now it's just pay-for-play with no attempt to even justify the payments as actual compensation for use of the player's name, image and likeness.
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Post by wakelaunch on May 13, 2024 23:45:26 GMT -8
It's Schakel's agent. Did find it interesting that you don't need to be a financial planner/lawyer to be an agent. He didn't even go to college, but it's a good interview. I like that Gottlieb countered him enough to keep it balanced, such as the comment about how Poneman said donors will always be there & will donate to collectives instead of to facilities & Doug said a) the building is tax deductible (some collective donations aren't) & b) the name stays on the building but not the athlete. I also found it interesting that some of the numbers thrown around include money the athlete was getting w/o NIL (Pel/Alston/Cost of Living) & $$ that really isn't there, such as quoting the full price of a nice car (i.e., $80k) when the athlete is only getting the leased amount for X months. You literally could quota $100k when in actuality he's getting $6k via a 10-month lease. One of the guys who covers UW athletes basically said "don't believe everything you read" re: Osobor's NIL package. I do think a good portion may be real, but a lot of it could be based on pie in the sky measures (natty, X people buying various products, etc.). BTW, the theory is it's Steve Ballmer's money & it's incentive based, but it's just a rumor. Jonathan Givony who broke this story confirmed that they reviewed documents/contracts confirming the 2 million number that was reported. They specifically reported the 2 million as the highest-paid KNOWN player in all of college basketball. “Known” being emphasized because they reviewed the documents not “pie in the sky measures” lol if he is really making 2 million dollars college sports is about to die. Fans will lose interest. Nobody doesn't want these kids to make some money with the tv rights deal but it just becomes another pro league. the college education, university kinda fall out the window. Maybe we need two different leagues. Giving a kid 50K-100K while he goes to school so he can live is a lot different than 2 million for basically a pro athlete. |
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Post by docmm on May 14, 2024 5:24:31 GMT -8
Everything eventually changes. Things won't be the same as they used to be but a different version of all of this will rise from the ashes of what was once college FB and BB.
Greed will finally kill the general public's interest, eyeballs watching will lessen which will lower TV and streaming contracts which will necessitate some hybrid version of the "old days" and NIL$ that will need to be more fair, equitable and sustainable.
It will just be really painful during that process for schools like ours.
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Post by aztecfred on May 14, 2024 8:17:27 GMT -8
I think that since Covid, the consensus of the powers that be, is they don't butts in the seats or lesser opponents. They just need the top players, playing against each other in a spectacle. As Charlie said " I think people would pay real money to see a meat covered robot hit a ball 750 feet"
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Post by jcljorgenson on May 14, 2024 12:50:32 GMT -8
If he is worth $2M, he should be in the NBA draft. Pretty dumb if you can get more money in college versus going pro.
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Post by AzTuba85 on May 14, 2024 12:58:46 GMT -8
dumb like a fox
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on May 14, 2024 14:03:52 GMT -8
If he is worth $2M, he should be in the NBA draft. Pretty dumb if you can get more money in college versus going pro. This is exactly why he should stay in college in the current landscape. He is not going to make that his first year in the NBA as a 2nd round pick, so he would take a pay cut to go pro early. He isn't a lottery pick if I understand correctly so this is the better choice if what I am reading is accurate. 2nd round is $1.1 million the way I read it, so $2 million in college is the better choice. Now if I am completely misunderstand the NBA player salaries I will excuse myself from this conversation and apologize. |
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Post by hoobs on May 14, 2024 14:10:53 GMT -8
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Post by AzTex on May 14, 2024 14:13:17 GMT -8
The situation is dumb, not the player. |
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