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Post by Cwag on Apr 28, 2024 20:14:37 GMT -8
It's very noble that people on here value their loyalty so much that they would sacrifice doubling their salary. Not a lot of people would do the same, hopefully that loyalty works out for your guys. Easy to do as a keyboard commander. |
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Post by aztecterrier on Apr 28, 2024 20:15:16 GMT -8
It's very noble that people on here value their loyalty so much that they would sacrifice doubling their salary. Not a lot of people would do the same, hopefully that loyalty works out for your guys. Loyalty worked out for Coach Dutcher, Coach Fisher, and Coach Gwynn, but it's not for everyone. It's also not noble. It's a lifestyle choice. Some people find it worthwhile to spend their life chasing down every last dollar, others don't. I'm not judging Butler.Good for him and his dad that that they got what they wanted. Hopefully they still feel the same in twenty years. Just don't expect me to buy it if you're selling that being a San Diego icon and Aztec for Life is worthless. |
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Apr 29, 2024 2:51:31 GMT -8
It's an incentive, so it matters exactly to the extent that it matters. In this hypothetical, if Byrd were to receive an offer worth $30k more and Lamont and Keshad said it's rough, then he probably wouldn't leave. If it's for $300k more, then he probably would. Again no offense but I think you overestimate how much fan opinion/sentiment matters to these players. Location, school, comfort, coaches, teammates, friends etc. all play a bigger factor than fans being pissed at you. Especially since they are likely going to schools with just as big or bigger fanbases that will support them. Look at it as a typical job. Lets say you're getting paid $200k and enjoy where you work, your boss and the people you work with. Is a competing offer of $230k enough to make you leave? Maybe not. But $500k? That's pretty tempting to resist. Lamont and Keshad didn't leave to make just $30k more they left for the $300k (or whatever the difference ends up being) and if Byrd were to leave it would likely be under a similar scenario. It seems like fan sentiment (along with the extra $100k that came from local sponsorship) played a role in Butler staying an extra year when he otherwise wouldn’t have. That’s not nothing. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 29, 2024 5:55:47 GMT -8
It seems like fan sentiment (along with the extra $100k that came from local sponsorship) played a role in Butler staying an extra year when he otherwise wouldn’t have. That’s not nothing. Holistic decision that takes many factors into consideration. And at the end, one decides is this the best decision for me? For those of us still work, we often decide between jobs on the following factors: - Salary, bonus and benefits
- Remote vs. office (+commute time) - I personally would give up up to 20% pre-tax pay between work from home vs. going to office
- Work load (is it 20 hrs work week or balls-to-wall 3 people's job I am doing)
- Visibility/growth
- Culture
- Boss (is he/she a micro manager?, or I have 100% autonomy to do what i want to do to hit the company's goals/KPIs)
- Teammates (do I enjoy working on this team)
Butler's decision is no different. |
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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 29, 2024 6:42:58 GMT -8
It's easy to claim "loyalty" when it's not your money. If he can make close to a half million bucks, I don't blame the guy one bit. He made $200,000 at SDSU. He left for an extra $200,000. Would he have made $400k last year too like Johnson? If so he left an extra $200k on the table. Like I said, easy to spend someone else's money... |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 29, 2024 7:28:15 GMT -8
He made $200,000 at SDSU. He left for an extra $200,000. Would he have made $400k last year too like Johnson? If so he left an extra $200k on the table. Like I said, easy to spend someone else's money... It's one thing to say $200K, or see it it in a digital database in a bank account, versus seeing $200K hard cold cash sitting on the table. youtu.be/jIjyoIJ7SXs?si=rYJaUMSSTOyAKOSc&t=9I am sure some of you guys can related when you swipe the plastic vs. using cash... |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 29, 2024 7:47:05 GMT -8
Every person has a different set of values. That’s what this comes down to. Nobody is going to convince the other side that they’re wrong. It’s a personal decision. We all don’t have to agree on this topic.
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 29, 2024 8:45:25 GMT -8
Every person has a different set of values. That’s what this comes down to. Nobody is going to convince the other side that they’re wrong. It’s a personal decision. We all don’t have to agree on this topic. Yep. Our current world and system promote the worshipping into the almighty dollar. In the world of StarTrek, where money is not longer an issue, doesn't that world promote other incentives to promote XYZ behaviors? Some Trek head help me here, as I am not a Star Trek guy. As billionaire Warren Buffett said "Show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome". As someone designs tools at work to hold our workers accountable, I can tell you by using data, I have ability to make people do whatever, if you tie their annual salary and or bonus to my metrics: - Do you want people to have good data in the system? I can design a report/KPIs to show who is keeping good data
- Do you want people to log into our sales business system daily? Sure, I can design a metric and reports to show leadership that
- Do you want people to time keep all the peons to ensure they are writing X lines of codes per day? I can do that, give me that power
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Post by standiego on Apr 29, 2024 8:55:12 GMT -8
many times the less said the better
might have been better for all if Butler and family had simply announced that he was entering the Portal and then followed that with He was going to be going to U of Kentucky
In addition there are a variety of reports that Kentucky is vigorously pursuing numerous other transfers at all positions Their new HC knows that he is being watched by their alums who are expecting a high quality team
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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 29, 2024 12:29:35 GMT -8
many times the less said the better might have been better for all if Butler and family had simply announced that he was entering the Portal and then followed that with He was going to be going to U of Kentucky In addition there are a variety of reports that Kentucky is vigorously pursuing numerous other transfers at all positions Their new HC knows that he is being watched by their alums who are expecting a high quality team Ok, I can agree with this. It does seem to bother the majority of people on here that Daddy Butler comments made it seem like he was doing us a favor by Lamont staying this past year instead of taking more money. Wasn't very classy on his part for sure. |
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Post by aztecs2019 on Apr 29, 2024 14:34:00 GMT -8
It's very noble that people on here value their loyalty so much that they would sacrifice doubling their salary. Not a lot of people would do the same, hopefully that loyalty works out for your guys. Those three people have/had long careers with job security and an annual salary + total earnings to live comfortably. For an athlete like Butler, just one injury can end a playing career and any future earnings that he may make aborad. And a successful transition from playing to coaching isn't guaranteed. |
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Post by aztecterrier on Apr 29, 2024 14:41:31 GMT -8
Loyalty worked out for Coach Dutcher, Coach Fisher, and Coach Gwynn, but it's not for everyone. Those three people have/had long careers with job security and an annual salary + total earnings to live comfortably. For an athlete like Butler, just one injury can end a playing career and any future earnings that he may make aborad. And a successful transition from playing to coaching isn't guaranteed. All three of them showed loyalty well before "long careers with job security". Their loyalty is WHY they had long careers and job security. |
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Post by aztecs2019 on Apr 29, 2024 15:01:22 GMT -8
Those three people have/had long careers with job security and an annual salary + total earnings to live comfortably. For an athlete like Butler, just one injury can end a playing career and any future earnings that he may make aborad. And a successful transition from playing to coaching isn't guaranteed. All three of them showed loyalty well before "long careers with job security". Their loyalty is WHY they had long careers and job security.   Looks to me like both bounced around for better opportunities at the beginning of their careers. |
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Post by aztecterrier on Apr 29, 2024 15:09:20 GMT -8
All three of them showed loyalty well before "long careers with job security". Their loyalty is WHY they had long careers and job security. Looks to me like both bounced around for better opportunities at the beginning of their careers. Tell me you don't know anything about Coach Dutcher Coach Fisher and the history of college basketball without telling me you don't know anything about Coach Dutcher Coach Fisher or college basketball. |
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Apr 29, 2024 15:11:24 GMT -8
All three of them showed loyalty well before "long careers with job security". Their loyalty is WHY they had long careers and job security. Looks to me like both bounced around for better opportunities at the beginning of their careers. I don't think assistant coaches moving up at the beginning of their careers is what we are talking about. Butler and Keshad decided to forgo a complete "career" and Aztec for Life status for cash but at least after 4 years and in Parrish's case after his junior and senior seasons. Now Saunders leaving is a whole new level. He is a guy who we coached up and suffered with only to move on for his junior and senior seasons. We soon could become the Triple A for the P5. |
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Post by survalli on Apr 29, 2024 15:14:30 GMT -8
the deadline is there for a reason, players have until that date to announce their intentions. cant blame the player for deciding right before the deadline.
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Post by aztecs2019 on Apr 29, 2024 15:21:43 GMT -8
Tell me you don't know anything about Coach Dutcher Coach Fisher and the history of college basketball without telling me you don't know anything about Coach Dutcher Coach Fisher or college basketball. I'm referring to pre-Michigan & SDSU. |
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Post by aztecterrier on Apr 29, 2024 15:25:01 GMT -8
Tell me you don't know anything about Coach Dutcher Coach Fisher and the history of college basketball without telling me you don't know anything about Coach Dutcher Coach Fisher or college basketball. I'm referring to pre-Michigan & SDSU. Exactly. What you're talking about about is irrelevant and uninformed. |
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Post by aztecs2019 on Apr 29, 2024 15:32:22 GMT -8
Exactly. What you're talking about about is irrelevant and uninformed. What, the fact that most people jump to better opportunities out there? You still working for the first company that ever hired you? |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 29, 2024 17:11:11 GMT -8
Tell that to Flynn, Franklin and Thames. Like the NBA couldn't find him at SDSU. It's all about $$$$$. All these interviews are just making it worse. Just take your cash and move on to Kentucky.
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