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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 14:34:47 GMT -8
It's easy to claim "loyalty" when it's not your money. If he can make close to a half million bucks, I don't blame the guy one bit. Ditto. For those of you follow and watch the NBA. I give you exhibit A, sad story for 2011, 2nd round, 30th pick (very last pick of the NBA draft), 5 feet 9 inches, Isaiah Thomas. Late 2nd round picks has odds of like 5% chance sticking in the NBA after few seasons (I made up this stat, but it's uber rare): If you do not know back story, here is the reader's digest version (TLDR): In 2017, Isaiah Thomas played through a hip injury and 1 day after his sisters death. He was expecting a max contract offer north of $200mil/5 year from Celtics in the offseason but was traded instead. And has only made ~$11mil since, by 2022. In short, the Boston Celtics threw him out like a bad prom date, after his injury and he was basically not worth it. Now you know why our very own Kawhi Leonard won't play through any potential career threatening or ending injury. F loyalty, it's all about securing my and my family's future and well being.
You talk loyalty... but I say 2 things I know that make the world go around : - enforceable contract/agreement
- money
As icky as fiat money is, remember it's a storage of value and time, that we, as a collective society, uses to transfer goods & services. There’s little to no loyalty in pro sports. Everyone knows that. |
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Apr 28, 2024 14:46:19 GMT -8
I'm sure anyone who knows him personally will root for him just as much as before (Dutch, his teammates, etc). But I don't know him and he knows that he's trading some good will within the city for extra cash. That's the decision he made. Seems straightforward to me. And it's probably the correct decision (depending on the money). If Miles Byrd goes off this year, I'd want Keshad and Lamont to tell him that Aztecs fans are gonna be pissed if he leaves, otherwise the transfer decision is super simple. Incentivizing leaving and being happy folks are transferring to blue bloods makes no sense to me.No offense but I doubt they'd care enough for it change their decision. Don't you think think Keshad and Lamont knew fans would be upset with them leaving? Or that Kawhi knew he'd piss off the entire city of San Antonio when he asked to be traded? They still did it because at the end of the day that's what they wanted to do. It's an incentive, so it matters exactly to the extent that it matters. In this hypothetical, if Byrd were to receive an offer worth $30k more and Lamont and Keshad said it's rough, then he probably wouldn't leave. If it's for $300k more, then he probably would. |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 28, 2024 14:50:01 GMT -8
Ditto. For those of you follow and watch the NBA. I give you exhibit A, sad story for 2011, 2nd round, 30th pick (very last pick of the NBA draft), 5 feet 9 inches, Isaiah Thomas. Late 2nd round picks has odds of like 5% chance sticking in the NBA after few seasons (I made up this stat, but it's uber rare): If you do not know back story, here is the reader's digest version (TLDR): In 2017, Isaiah Thomas played through a hip injury and 1 day after his sisters death. He was expecting a max contract offer north of $200mil/5 year from Celtics in the offseason but was traded instead. And has only made ~$11mil since, by 2022. In short, the Boston Celtics threw him out like a bad prom date, after his injury and he was basically not worth it. Now you know why our very own Kawhi Leonard won't play through any potential career threatening or ending injury. F loyalty, it's all about securing my and my family's future and well being.
You talk loyalty... but I say 2 things I know that make the world go around : - enforceable contract/agreement
- money
As icky as fiat money is, remember it's a storage of value and time, that we, as a collective society, uses to transfer goods & services. There’s little to no loyalty in pro sports. Everyone knows that. True, but it's hard to adjust to college basketball being a de facto pro sport now. |
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Post by bballfan11 on Apr 28, 2024 14:51:34 GMT -8
way too much attention for some one who is no longer an Aztec He played at SDSU for 4 years He did what the system now allows - strictly a Business Decision and that is what College Sports have become So now on to the future - will Dutcher add an additional player or 2 , what will the OOC look like for the 2024-25 team Who is going to be the new Assistant So a lot to still be talking about then a Kentucky Wildcat Stan, please stick to the subject of the thread which about “Butler to Kentucky”. You can start a new thread addressing your other concerns. |
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Post by aztech on Apr 28, 2024 14:56:23 GMT -8
Yeah, it does seem a bit strange that he hasn't hired an assistant yet. It’s no big deal. Dutch has it handled. Hopefully he does. Unfortunatety due to NIL you really don't need a primo HS recruiter anymore if you can't meet the targeted recruit's asking price. How disgusting is that? We're lucky who we have on the existing roster despite that. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 14:57:21 GMT -8
No offense but I doubt they'd care enough for it change their decision. Don't you think think Keshad and Lamont knew fans would be upset with them leaving? Or that Kawhi knew he'd piss off the entire city of San Antonio when he asked to be traded? They still did it because at the end of the day that's what they wanted to do. It's an incentive, so it matters exactly to the extent that it matters. In this hypothetical, if Byrd were to receive an offer worth $30k more and Lamont and Keshad said it's rough, then he probably wouldn't leave. If it's for $300k more, then he probably would. There are so many factors, some financial some not, that would go into a decision like that. You really can’t say what a person would do. I didn’t think Lamont would leave but here we are. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 14:58:59 GMT -8
It’s no big deal. Dutch has it handled. Hopefully he does. Unfortunatety due to NIL you really don't need a primo HS recruiter anymore if you can't meet the targeted recruit's asking price. How disgusting is that? We're lucky who we have on the existing roster despite that. Dutch has said there has been a ton of interest. He doesn’t seem worried so I am not going to stress over it. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 28, 2024 15:13:24 GMT -8
From a 3 star recruit to starting guard at Kentucky.
Hard work from Butler, good coaching from the staff. Congrats Lamont!
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Post by aztecking on Apr 28, 2024 15:13:38 GMT -8
I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to wear my Butler At The Buzzer T-Shirt next season or not. It's always going to be the greatest moment in Aztec sports history, but Butler bailed on the team, and the shirt is all about Butler in that moment. Wearing a shirt for a guy playing for another school just seems wrong, even if it does commemorate the single greatest moment in Aztec sports history. Personally I wouldn’t wear it but to each his own. I’ll wear my final 4, sweet 16, etc, gear. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 15:21:25 GMT -8
From a 3 star recruit to starting guard at Kentucky. Hard work from Butler, good coaching from the staff. Congrats Lamont! No guarantee he starts. Kentucky is bringing in a bunch of guards. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 15:38:26 GMT -8
There is a lot of hand wringing for a player that struggled handling the ball against pressure, struggled to feed the post, struggled at the FT line, and struggled from deep. His defense was elite and his ability to finish at the rim is very good. He took the money, and it was the right decision for him, and I wish him the best. His leaving actually made the roster management much easier for State, Davis' and Byrd's upside is much higher. JMO. Agree. We know what Butler is. A great defender and shaky every where else. Davis looked good in garbage time last season and Byrd looked dynamic coming off the bench. Bird’s ceiling looks extremely high. Next years team seems to have less holes than this years team. It should be an exciting season ahead. |
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Apr 28, 2024 15:54:53 GMT -8
It's an incentive, so it matters exactly to the extent that it matters. In this hypothetical, if Byrd were to receive an offer worth $30k more and Lamont and Keshad said it's rough, then he probably wouldn't leave. If it's for $300k more, then he probably would. There are so many factors, some financial some not, that would go into a decision like that. You really can’t say what a person would do. I didn’t think Lamont would leave but here we are. There are a lot of factors that go into a transfer decision. But an extra $300k or so tends to do a good job of sweeping a lot of factors under the rug. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 28, 2024 16:05:20 GMT -8
There’s little to no loyalty in pro sports. Everyone knows that. True, but it's hard to adjust to college basketball being a de facto pro sport now. This is what I'm struggling to reconcile right now. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 16:23:23 GMT -8
There are so many factors, some financial some not, that would go into a decision like that. You really can’t say what a person would do. I didn’t think Lamont would leave but here we are. There are a lot of factors that go into a transfer decision. But an extra $300k or so tends to do a good job of sweeping a lot of factors under the rug. Depends on the person and their situation. |
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Post by Cwag on Apr 28, 2024 16:27:59 GMT -8
There are a lot of factors that go into a transfer decision. But an extra $300k or so tends to do a good job of sweeping a lot of factors under the rug. Depends on the person and their situation. In my world 300K is a lot of money and for an 18-22 I'll bet it seems like a lot too. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 28, 2024 16:31:26 GMT -8
There’s little to no loyalty in pro sports. Everyone knows that. True, but it's hard to adjust to college basketball being a de facto pro sport now. Yes, one of the reasons why so many follow collegiate FB and BB is because it isn't the pros. And the way the money is, in football there will just be a handful of teams each year with a legitimate chance at a national title. Basketball trails in that but will catch up. See what happens when that gets established. At least the pros understand that they cannot have players able to leave for another program that will give them more money each year. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 28, 2024 16:33:22 GMT -8
From a 3 star recruit to starting guard at Kentucky. Hard work from Butler, good coaching from the staff. Congrats Lamont! No guarantee he starts. Kentucky is bringing in a bunch of guards. My understanding is that, under the previous coach, Kentucky has a $5M/year budget for NIL. |
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Post by LostAztec on Apr 28, 2024 19:19:35 GMT -8
I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to wear my Butler At The Buzzer T-Shirt next season or not. It's always going to be the greatest moment in Aztec sports history, but Butler bailed on the team, and the shirt is all about Butler in that moment. Wearing a shirt for a guy playing for another school just seems wrong, even if it does commemorate the single greatest moment in Aztec sports history. Personally I wouldn’t wear it but to each his own. I’ll wear my final 4, sweet 16, etc, gear. It also commemorates one of the greatest moments in School Basketball history. I'd keep it. |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Apr 28, 2024 20:00:24 GMT -8
It's very noble that people on here value their loyalty so much that they would sacrifice doubling their salary. Not a lot of people would do the same, hopefully that loyalty works out for your guys.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Apr 28, 2024 20:10:52 GMT -8
No offense but I doubt they'd care enough for it change their decision. Don't you think think Keshad and Lamont knew fans would be upset with them leaving? Or that Kawhi knew he'd piss off the entire city of San Antonio when he asked to be traded? They still did it because at the end of the day that's what they wanted to do. It's an incentive, so it matters exactly to the extent that it matters. In this hypothetical, if Byrd were to receive an offer worth $30k more and Lamont and Keshad said it's rough, then he probably wouldn't leave. If it's for $300k more, then he probably would. Again no offense but I think you overestimate how much fan opinion/sentiment matters to these players. Location, school, comfort, coaches, teammates, friends etc. all play a bigger factor than fans being pissed at you. Especially since they are likely going to schools with just as big or bigger fanbases that will support them. Look at it as a typical job. Lets say you're getting paid $200k and enjoy where you work, your boss and the people you work with. Is a competing offer of $230k enough to make you leave? Maybe not. But $500k? That's pretty tempting to resist. Lamont and Keshad didn't leave to make just $30k more they left for the $300k (or whatever the difference ends up being) and if Byrd were to leave it would likely be under a similar scenario. |
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