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Post by lemkotir on Apr 28, 2024 9:38:51 GMT -8
This is not a SDSU + Butler problem, this is a NCAA problem in the era of NIL, as others have said.
Go take a look at the transfer list by school. It doesn't matter if you're Arizona, Kentucky, Duke... the "player's empowerment" era is here, and there aren't rules, until a governing body with jurisdiction can put the toothpaste back into the tube.
Someone find me the link where at blue blood big time program, majority of its starters all transferred out. You know why the kids did that, because they believe they have a better opportunity elsewhere and/or can make that bag of money.
It is what it is.
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Post by docmm on Apr 28, 2024 9:45:32 GMT -8
There is a lot of hand wringing for a player that struggled handling the ball against pressure, struggled to feed the post, struggled at the FT line, and struggled from deep. His defense was elite and his ability to finish at the rim is very good. He took the money, and it was the right decision for him, and I wish him the best. His leaving actually made the roster management much easier for State, Davis' and Byrd's upside is much higher. JMO. My exact sentiments. Think back to the end of the Maui Arkansas game and the final 35 seconds in regulation in the Creighton MM game. And numerous other occasions when we were pressed. He rarely excelled in that environment. Think about all the times he tried to go to the rim against 2 or 3 guys and all the open 3s. He wasn't that good of a shooter. There are things about him we will miss and I guarantee there will be things about the Aztecs he and his family will miss. I agree that him leaving will be better in the long run for our future and near future backcourts. I wish him well, thank him for what he did for the program but am glad he left. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 28, 2024 9:45:43 GMT -8
Rather take the money, invest it, and let the compounding return and time do their magical effect, and not rely on others or factors not within in my control. Has Gwynn Jr benefitted from a long broadcasting career and various endorsements, off of his pa's name and goodwill with the SD and Padres org? Possibly, but it wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't want to discredit Gwynn Jr's talent, drive and the work he put in to get to where he's today. However, like most relationship, between Gwynn Jr + _________, there is a mutual benefit for both sides. It's the classic theory of trade between two parties, where it happens because both sides feel they gain something or came out not disadvantaged. For the record, I also happen to think Gwynn Jr is a very good broadcaster. Frankly, I think you are incredibly naive if you think he would’ve had the same opportunities in this city that he does if his last name was Smith. I am not naïve of that -- as I said, he probably (a nice way saying he 100% did benefit). It's the same argument Bronny James is getting all the attention he gets, being LeGM's son. Because he wasn't LeGM's son, nobody would give 2 ____ with this compilation of skills and statistical output at USC now. I personally believe Lakers will draft Bronny, to keep LeGM around. Why do you think the Bucks keep Giannis' brother Thanasis on the payroll and bench -- because it's just how it works. Don't forget how the prior administration at the White House put family on the payroll at senior positions at government agencies, w/o any prior qualifications or experiences  Yeah, various cultures have words for such things, I believe the Russians call it Blat, and Chinese call it Guanxi. And I want to say there is a German word for it, too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 9:48:55 GMT -8
This is not a SDSU + Butler problem, this is a NCAA problem in the era of NIL, as others have said. Go take a look at the transfer list by school. It doesn't matter if you're Arizona, Kentucky, Duke... the "player's empowerment" era is here, and there aren't rules, until a governing body with jurisdiction can put the toothpaste back into the tube. Someone find me the link where at blue blood big time program, majority of its starters all transferred out. You know why the kids did that, because they believe they have a better opportunity elsewhere and/or can make that bag of money. It is what it is. Yes the game has changed but it doesn’t mean you have to play it a certain way. Nobody was holding a gun to their head forcing them to take more NIL money. They had a choice and they chose cash over legacy. Is what it is and that was their choice. Everyone has different priorities in life. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 28, 2024 9:54:34 GMT -8
This is not a SDSU + Butler problem, this is a NCAA problem in the era of NIL, as others have said. Go take a look at the transfer list by school. It doesn't matter if you're Arizona, Kentucky, Duke... the "player's empowerment" era is here, and there aren't rules, until a governing body with jurisdiction can put the toothpaste back into the tube. Someone find me the link where at blue blood big time program, majority of its starters all transferred out. You know why the kids did that, because they believe they have a better opportunity elsewhere and/or can make that bag of money. It is what it is. Yes the game has changed but it doesn’t mean you have to play it a certain way. Nobody was holding a gun to their head forcing them to take more NIL money. They had a choice and they chose cash over legacy. Is what it is and that was their choice. Everyone has different priorities in life. 100000%. SDSU and Dutch just have to work within their control and budget. I honestly believe SDSU will be a very popular/good place for in-coming freshman or existing D1 players to develop, given the success we've had and we will most likely to continue to have, then some will stay, some will move onto bigger better deals (school or money). It is what it is. |
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Post by aztech on Apr 28, 2024 10:37:25 GMT -8
I don't have an opinion of Butler leaving, either way. He gave his all while here and now getting big dough there. He learned defense here and I'm pretty sure Kentucky will work on his offense, which is what they're about. I predict we'll be hearing about him next season, in a positive way. Not a slap against SDSU since we groomed him first.
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Post by LostAztec on Apr 28, 2024 12:04:34 GMT -8
You're obviously bitter about this. What if it was you and your family ? Would you be okay being stuck in a place that didn't pay you your max value ? If you stayed in a job just to please the shareholders or customers, you would be miserable and under perform. If you were a bench or practice squad guy, wouldn't you want to transfer down so you could play some ball before your eligibility expires ? Forcing athletes to stay to satiate the fans or Management is act of slavery. You don't sound like a fan, more like be a player rep. So, being a fan = slavery for your feel goods about your team. #AmIRite |
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Post by LostAztec on Apr 28, 2024 12:11:03 GMT -8
You don't sound like a fan, more like be a player rep. NIL and the transfer portal are devastating blows to the product that is college basketball. They’re also the rights every other student and employee in our country have. Your comments lack perspective, IMO, as do others who fail to grasp the complexity of being a sports fan. It’s ALWAYS been a big business. The labor is just getting a sliver of the pie, now. Heaven forbid you have to sit with these complexities when you turn on a sporting event. IMO, you can be a fan without supporting a system of enslavement. SA's have the right to seek the best situation for themselves and their families. Just like other students and workers in this country. If it hinders your ability to enjoy a game, that's on you. Viva la Revolucion ! |
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Post by Cwag on Apr 28, 2024 12:20:39 GMT -8
Even during the olden days we knew that we are rooting for the School as the players are all gone in 4-5 years anyway. For Blue Blood Schools they are used to rooting for players for 1 year that are one and done. It's still the same now but with a different dynamic creating the movement. Not sure why so many get all butt hurt about it. Maybe they had girlfriends leave them in the past for better looking and richer guys and have some PTSD over that?
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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 28, 2024 12:41:11 GMT -8
It's easy to claim "loyalty" when it's not your money. If he can make close to a half million bucks, I don't blame the guy one bit.
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Post by aztecterrier on Apr 28, 2024 12:51:17 GMT -8
It's easy to claim "loyalty" when it's not your money. If he can make close to a half million bucks, I don't blame the guy one bit. I don't see anyone blaming Butler. Some of us just don't want to build a statue for him. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 28, 2024 12:56:19 GMT -8
It's easy to claim "loyalty" when it's not your money. If he can make close to a half million bucks, I don't blame the guy one bit. Ditto. For those of you follow and watch the NBA. I give you exhibit A, sad story for 2011, 2nd round, 30th pick (very last pick of the NBA draft), 5 feet 9 inches, Isaiah Thomas. Late 2nd round picks has odds of like 5% chance sticking in the NBA after few seasons (I made up this stat, but it's uber rare): If you do not know back story, here is the reader's digest version (TLDR): In 2017, Isaiah Thomas played through a hip injury and 1 day after his sisters death. He was expecting a max contract offer north of $200mil/5 year from Celtics in the offseason but was traded instead. And has only made ~$11mil since, by 2022. In short, the Boston Celtics threw him out like a bad prom date, after his injury and he was basically not worth it. Now you know why our very own Kawhi Leonard won't play through any potential career threatening or ending injury. F loyalty, it's all about securing my and my family's future and well being.
You talk loyalty... but I say 2 things I know that make the world go around : - enforceable contract/agreement
- money
As icky as fiat money is, remember it's a storage of value and time, that we, as a collective society, uses to transfer goods & services. |
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Post by missiontrails on Apr 28, 2024 13:48:16 GMT -8
You've got to be kidding, bringing up Kawhi as a comparison. Kawhi left after TWO years as an Aztec to CHASE MONEY. Lamont left after FOUR years, which was what we would have all hoped for in the beginning anyway. By the way, I completely respect Kawhi's decision as well. You think both Keshad and Lamont returning for a 10-year reunion of the Final four team will be awkward? lol Lamont especially will be treated like royalty, even by the currently butthurt fans. None of these players owe us fans anything. Times have changed, and I hate the new NCAA environment as much or more so than anybody. But the players aren't to blame here. Better get used to it, because it's going to keep happening everywhere until the rules change or the whole thing implodes. Sadly, I fear it may be the latter. Must of missed the part where Kawhi left the Aztecs for another school. Kawhi = Aztec for Life Butler = 4 year Aztec letterman Of course you missed it as I never mentioned that. Kawhi had an opportunity for big money because he was NBA ready. Butler had a chance for (semi) big money, not because of NBA talent, but enough talent for a blue-blood to offer monetary incentive. Like I said, I hate the system, but I don't hate the player for doing what's best for him. I didn't make the original comparison to Kawhi, LAAztec did, I just pointed out the hypocrisy. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2024 14:20:08 GMT -8
I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to wear my Butler At The Buzzer T-Shirt next season or not.
It's always going to be the greatest moment in Aztec sports history, but Butler bailed on the team, and the shirt is all about Butler in that moment. Wearing a shirt for a guy playing for another school just seems wrong, even if it does commemorate the single greatest moment in Aztec sports history.
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Post by standiego on Apr 28, 2024 14:20:13 GMT -8
way too much attention for some one who is no longer an Aztec
He played at SDSU for 4 years
He did what the system now allows - strictly a Business Decision and that is what College Sports have become
So now on to the future - will Dutcher add an additional player or 2 , what will the OOC look like for the 2024-25 team
Who is going to be the new Assistant
So a lot to still be talking about then a Kentucky Wildcat
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Post by aztech on Apr 28, 2024 14:27:11 GMT -8
way too much attention for some one who is no longer an Aztec He played at SDSU for 4 years He did what the system now allows - strictly a Business Decision and that is what College Sports have become So now on to the future - will Dutcher add an additional player or 2 , what will the OOC look like for the 2024-25 team Who is going to be the new Assistant So a lot to still be talking about then a Kentucky Wildcat Yeah, it does seem a bit strange that he hasn't hired an assistant yet. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 14:31:26 GMT -8
It's easy to claim "loyalty" when it's not your money. If he can make close to a half million bucks, I don't blame the guy one bit. He made $200,000 at SDSU. He left for an extra $200,000. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 14:32:17 GMT -8
way too much attention for some one who is no longer an Aztec He played at SDSU for 4 years He did what the system now allows - strictly a Business Decision and that is what College Sports have become So now on to the future - will Dutcher add an additional player or 2 , what will the OOC look like for the 2024-25 team Who is going to be the new Assistant So a lot to still be talking about then a Kentucky Wildcat Yeah, it does seem a bit strange that he hasn't hired an assistant yet. It’s no big deal. Dutch has it handled. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2024 14:33:09 GMT -8
It's easy to claim "loyalty" when it's not your money. If he can make close to a half million bucks, I don't blame the guy one bit. He made $200,000 at SDSU. He left for an extra $200,000. Yeah, that's the part that bothers me. He was part of a great program with a great head coach and he made a lot of money here (and would make a lot more), and he still left? |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 28, 2024 14:33:15 GMT -8
I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to wear my Butler At The Buzzer T-Shirt next season or not. It's always going to be the greatest moment in Aztec sports history, but Butler bailed on the team, and the shirt is all about Butler in that moment. Wearing a shirt for a guy playing for another school just seems wrong, even if it does commemorate the single greatest moment in Aztec sports history. Put that in a closet. Wear final 4 stuff. |
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