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Post by aztecking on Mar 23, 2024 15:52:13 GMT -8
GCU’s student support is a mirage. All students that live in dorms on campus are required to attend Men’s Basketball home games. The graduate programs there are part of a separate, for profit University, even though they converted portions of their undergraduate school to non-profit in order to be accepted into the NCAA for athletics. I’m sure their NIL programs are well-funded, and operate just inside the NCAA rules system. So if they are "required" to attend the games, is the school paying those students to travel to Vegas for their tournament, or paying for their travel and stay in Spokane to cheer for the Lopes? They have a whole section filled with students, not just a few rows. I find that hard to believe that they are "required" to go to road games. What happens if they don't go to the home games? Yes they pay the students way to go to these tournaments. Obviously not all students but whatever they want to send, 500 students or whatever. It’s a for profit university that uses basketball as a promotional tool to increase enrollment and ultimately more profit for shareholders. They think of it as an investment. |
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Post by AzTex on Mar 23, 2024 15:52:42 GMT -8
I'm not saying you're wrong but I haven't been able to find a source to confirm that statement, please provide a link. But even if that is true the GCU administration can't make that student section be as loud and crazy as they are. Their students strongly support the basketball program. Well if they are being forced to go it seems like you’d enjoy your time a lot more if you were into the game rather than just sitting there disinterested. That's not the way most people react when being forced to do something. When my wife, daughter and son used to go to the Aztec football games with me my wife and daughter were not jumping up and down cheering. My wife went just for my sake and our daughter had no choice. Our son did enjoy the games tremendously and still does. |
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Post by aztecking on Mar 23, 2024 15:56:45 GMT -8
Well if they are being forced to go it seems like you’d enjoy your time a lot more if you were into the game rather than just sitting there disinterested. That's not the way most people react when being forced to do something. When my wife, daughter and son used to go to the Aztec football games with me my wife and daughter were not jumping up and down cheering. My wife went just for my sake and our daughter had no choice. Our son did enjoy the games tremendously and still does. Your wife and daughter were not college age kids around a couple thousand other people like that. I know when I was college if I was made to spend my Saturday night at a basketball game I’d get a few drinks in me and have a good time. There’s no denying that basketball is a very entertaining sport for in person viewers, it’s fast paced with lots of lead changes. |
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Post by AzTex on Mar 23, 2024 15:57:57 GMT -8
GCU’s student support is a mirage. All students that live in dorms on campus are required to attend Men’s Basketball home games. The graduate programs there are part of a separate, for profit University, even though they converted portions of their undergraduate school to non-profit in order to be accepted into the NCAA for athletics. I’m sure their NIL programs are well-funded, and operate just inside the NCAA rules system. So if they are "required" to attend the games, is the school paying those students to travel to Vegas for their tournament, or paying for their travel and stay in Spokane to cheer for the Lopes? They have a whole section filled with students, not just a few rows. I find that hard to believe that they are "required" to go to road games. What happens if they don't go to the home games? According to a report by KHQ TV in Spokane, GCU flew over 200 students to Spokane to see this weekend's games. Don't know about the students other expenses of the trip. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Mar 23, 2024 16:43:01 GMT -8
Really? I don't know where that rumor came from. If they can't get a job in their field, they can land a job offering decent pay. Why? Because they're intelligent. My cousin’s wife graduated with a PhD in Art History from Cal. She got a job as an Art History professor at USF. Makes about $170k/yr with full benefits. Makes another $100k/yr consulting for several Bay Area private wealth family entities on art selection/investment. Makes about another $100k/yr taking private groups on European art tours. And she’s published four books and receives regular royalty checks. She makes more than my cousin, who got a computer science degree from Cal and works for a major tech firm. PhD. Not the example he used/intended. Good she makes a lot because I’m sure that much schooling costs a lot. She is exceptional and an exception. Especially compared to most undergrad art history majors. |
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Post by aztech on Mar 23, 2024 17:52:46 GMT -8
Really? I don't know where that rumor came from. If they can't get a job in their field, they can land a job offering decent pay. Why? Because they're intelligent. Yes I know one of them. You're really not aware of the growing issue of people going to college and drowning in student debt only to make 40k when they graduate? Often it's their own fault for majoring in unproductive majors though When I was a student at SDSU I lived off campus so I had to have a part time job and acquired gov't backed student loans as well. I could have applied for a whole lot more, but I had limits knowing I'd have to pay it back. That's the catch. Getting student loans was too easy so you needed to have discipline. It's a debt and not a free ride, regardless of major. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Mar 23, 2024 20:51:31 GMT -8
Yes I know one of them. You're really not aware of the growing issue of people going to college and drowning in student debt only to make 40k when they graduate? Often it's their own fault for majoring in unproductive majors though When I was a student at SDSU I lived off campus so I had to have a part time job and acquired gov't backed student loans as well. I could have applied for a whole lot more, but I had limits knowing I'd have to pay it back. That's the catch. Getting student loans was too easy so you needed to have discipline. It's a debt and not a free ride, regardless of major. I completely agree. This whole thing started because someone demonized GCU for being a "for profit" university, saying that it was a scam. I was saying that if it's a scam, people would stop going. Then I also said there are tons of BS "non-profits" out there (like the NFL - it was a non-profit until just a few years ago) and plenty of others that do shady things. So I was basically saying there are plenty of "non-profit" colleges that are scams - where kids can't even get a decent job after they graduate and these academics at the top are filthy rich That is all I was trying to say. I don't think GCU should be demonized for simply being a "for profit" university |
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Post by Gundo on Mar 23, 2024 21:49:44 GMT -8
A religious, for-profit university absolutely does not belong in our conference. We shouldn't even be scheduling these guys. Don't support these scammy schools that take advantage of students so their shareholders can make $$$. I am in your camp, this so-called university spends more on advertising and marketing than teaching/staff salaries. The education is awful (US News Ranking), acceptance is nearly 100%, graduation far less than 50%, and is run by the far-right Arizona Southern Baptist Convention. They have been fined by the Department of Education, and sued by the US Government and FTC for several financial Scandals and Regulatory Sanctions. (religious institutions should not Lie and Steal). We dont need another Christian BYU-type school. They do have a good MBB Program but Bryce Drew will be poached by a larger school after this run, making almost $400K he is the highest paid HC in the WAC, but I dont see him sticking around after summer 2024. A HARD NO |
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Post by hoobs on Mar 24, 2024 5:10:20 GMT -8
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Post by sdsu1975 on Mar 24, 2024 6:56:47 GMT -8
I think we should leave politics out of this forum. But since you guys started it, I believe that most of the universitites are liberal scams. I'm sure those advanced degress in philosophy, etc., are really creating a lot of high paying jobs. LOL
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Post by longtimebooster on Mar 24, 2024 7:27:19 GMT -8
I think we should leave politics out of this forum. But since you guys started it, I believe that most of the universitites are liberal scams. I'm sure those advanced degress in philosophy, etc., are really creating a lot of high paying jobs. LOL I get so tired of people talking out of the @sses about the value of humanities. I'm proud of my hard-earned degrees from SDSU (MBA and B.A., English, Minors: Physics, Political Science (started as a physics major before switching). My son took the GMAT in order to get into one of the top 5 schools in the country for a master's in machine learning and artificial intelligence, hence my familiarity and interest in such matters. He scored highly and was accepted by Cal, Univ. of Chicago and Georgia Tech. (Went to G-Tech). However, I was surprised, as I'm sure many who talk out their @ss should be, that the best major to prepare for this burgeoning field is philosophy. Which makes sense. Artificial intelligence - logic - thinking - philosophy. And do you know which majors relatively suck when it comes to grad school test scores? Business, computer science, etc. It pays to be smart and well-rounded. Just so you know. Top 5 majors for highest GMAT scores: 1. Physics (608) 2. Mathematics (605) 3. Engineering (595) 4. Philosophy (588)
5. Other Engineering or Computer Science-related major (586) Top 10 majors for highest LSAT scores: 1. Mathematics: 162 2. Classics: 160 3. Policy Studies: 158 4. Art History: 158 5. Philosophy: 157
6. Economics: 157 7. International Relations: 156 8. International Studies: 156 9. Government: 156 10. Biology: 155 Top Major Groups for highest MCAT scores: 1. Math: 128 2. Physical Sciences: 127 3. Humanities: 127
4. Biological Sciences: 126 5. Social Sciences: 125 6. Health Sciences: 125 6. Business/Economics: 124 |
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Post by imhighonx on Mar 24, 2024 8:05:44 GMT -8
Totally agree. It’s fine to be a religious school. It’s fine to be a for profit. It seems really sketchy to be both. And anywhere that is tightly affiliated with the Colangelos can go pound sand. I would strongly prefer that SDSU not schedule GCU. |
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Post by LostAztec on Mar 24, 2024 8:43:47 GMT -8
The GCU game last night against St. Mary’s had a huge contingent of students there as they did in the WAC tourney in Vegas last week. There is no doubt that they have incredible student fan support. Im curious if someone paid the way for their students to go the the tournament games. I didn’t see a section of the “Show” at Spokane. I know Jerry Colangelo became involved with GCU in as a board member. He has taken on the name of the Colangelo School of Sports Business, and is was a consultant in GCU transition to NCAA Division I sports. Maybe he also helped with NIL in getting good players there. Schools with large numbers of on-line students have fans everywhere. 🤣 |
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Post by Den60 on Mar 24, 2024 8:49:47 GMT -8
The WCC can have them if they want.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Mar 24, 2024 8:52:56 GMT -8
I think we should leave politics out of this forum. But since you guys started it, I believe that most of the universitites are liberal scams. I'm sure those advanced degress in philosophy, etc., are really creating a lot of high paying jobs. LOL I get so tired of people talking out of the @sses about the value of humanities. I'm proud of my hard-earned degrees from SDSU (MBA and B.A., English, Minors: Physics, Political Science (started as a physics major before switching). My son took the GMAT in order to get into one of the top 5 schools in the country for a master's in machine learning and artificial intelligence, hence my familiarity and interest in such matters. He scored highly and was accepted by Cal, Univ. of Chicago and Georgia Tech. (Went to G-Tech). However, I was surprised, as I'm sure many who talk out their @ss should be, that the best major to prepare for this burgeoning field is philosophy. Which makes sense. Artificial intelligence - logic - thinking - philosophy. And do you know which majors relatively suck when it comes to grad school test scores? Business, computer science, etc. It pays to be smart and well-rounded. Just so you know. Top 5 majors for highest GMAT scores: 1. Physics (608) 2. Mathematics (605) 3. Engineering (595) 4. Philosophy (588)
5. Other Engineering or Computer Science-related major (586) Top 10 majors for highest LSAT scores: 1. Mathematics: 162 2. Classics: 160 3. Policy Studies: 158 4. Art History: 158 5. Philosophy: 157
6. Economics: 157 7. International Relations: 156 8. International Studies: 156 9. Government: 156 10. Biology: 155 Top Major Groups for highest MCAT scores: 1. Math: 128 2. Physical Sciences: 127 3. Humanities: 127
4. Biological Sciences: 126 5. Social Sciences: 125 6. Health Sciences: 125 6. Business/Economics: 124 I'm not trying to argue with you but I think a more important stat to prove people like me wrong would be the top majors for highest paying jobs out of college. The best majors to score highly on yet another test is sort of the point some of us are making. There are a lot of people out there who go to school for 10 years getting all these degrees and end up in possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and do nothing with their degrees, or just end up teaching because there's nothing else you can do with those degrees (the endless circle of learning and then teaching the same subject). You and your fam sound successful and good for you, but I think you'd be the exception, not the rule Here are the top paying degrees out of college that I found: www.cnbc.com/2024/03/14/highest-paying-college-majors-5-years-after-graduation.htmlhttps://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/14/highest-paying-college-majors-5-years-after-graduation.html1. Computer engineering 2. Chemical engineering 3. Computer science 4. Aerospace engineering 5. Electrical engineering 6. Industrial engineering 7. Mechanical engineering 8. General engineering 9. Miscellaneous engineering 10. Finance 11. Civil engineering 12. Economics 13. Business analytics 14. Mathematics 15. Construction services |
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Post by Den60 on Mar 24, 2024 8:53:38 GMT -8
If the MWC is going after a non-football member it should be Gonzaga, not GCU. Outside of the Zags this conference definitely doesn't need another mouth to feed. The best option is the top six schools in the MWC moves to 2pac and leaves the dregs behind. Then the MWC can add GCU or whoever since none of us will care. That is my hope, take 6 from the MWC and perhaps grab 2-3 AAC schools (UTSA, Memphis and Tulane being the best) and make a BOR conference which should get each school close to $10M/year. |
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Post by LostAztec on Mar 24, 2024 9:02:26 GMT -8
I get so tired of people talking out of the @sses about the value of humanities. I'm proud of my hard-earned degrees from SDSU (MBA and B.A., English, Minors: Physics, Political Science (started as a physics major before switching). My son took the GMAT in order to get into one of the top 5 schools in the country for a master's in machine learning and artificial intelligence, hence my familiarity and interest in such matters. He scored highly and was accepted by Cal, Univ. of Chicago and Georgia Tech. (Went to G-Tech). However, I was surprised, as I'm sure many who talk out their @ss should be, that the best major to prepare for this burgeoning field is philosophy. Which makes sense. Artificial intelligence - logic - thinking - philosophy. And do you know which majors relatively suck when it comes to grad school test scores? Business, computer science, etc. It pays to be smart and well-rounded. Just so you know. Top 5 majors for highest GMAT scores: 1. Physics (608) 2. Mathematics (605) 3. Engineering (595) 4. Philosophy (588)
5. Other Engineering or Computer Science-related major (586) Top 10 majors for highest LSAT scores: 1. Mathematics: 162 2. Classics: 160 3. Policy Studies: 158 4. Art History: 158 5. Philosophy: 157
6. Economics: 157 7. International Relations: 156 8. International Studies: 156 9. Government: 156 10. Biology: 155 Top Major Groups for highest MCAT scores: 1. Math: 128 2. Physical Sciences: 127 3. Humanities: 127
4. Biological Sciences: 126 5. Social Sciences: 125 6. Health Sciences: 125 6. Business/Economics: 124 I'm not trying to argue with you but I think a more important stat to prove people like me wrong would be the top majors for highest paying jobs out of college. The best majors to score highly on yet another test is sort of the point some of us are making. There are a lot of people out there who go to school for 10 years getting all these degrees and end up in possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and do nothing with their degrees, or just end up teaching because there's nothing else you can do with those degrees (the endless circle of learning and then teaching the same subject). You and your fam sound successful and good for you, but I think you'd be the exception, not the rule Here are the top paying degrees out of college that I found: www.cnbc.com/2024/03/14/highest-paying-college-majors-5-years-after-graduation.htmlhttps://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/14/highest-paying-college-majors-5-years-after-graduation.html1. Computer engineering 2. Chemical engineering 3. Computer science 4. Aerospace engineering 5. Electrical engineering 6. Industrial engineering 7. Mechanical engineering 8. General engineering 9. Miscellaneous engineering 10. Finance 11. Civil engineering 12. Economics 13. Business analytics 14. Mathematics 15. Construction services Sadly,most of those jobs will be replaced by AI. That's the goal. |
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Post by sleepy on Mar 24, 2024 12:08:02 GMT -8
I keep seeing this thing about "high-paying jobs" with an accompanying "lol". And while money is nice, there might be a consideration given for people who go for a program that is about more than just money. My wife has a joint PhD from SDSU and most-decidedly does not "rake in the bucks".
But I am far more proud of her for what she does do with that degree -- and I think the world in general should hold her in high-regard for what she does on their behalf. I wouldn't trade it for all the money in the world. And if your average GCU aficionado doesn't understand that concept, it's time to dig a little deeper into that bible they supposedly know backward and forward...
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Post by Gundo on Mar 24, 2024 12:30:54 GMT -8
Agree. It’s fine to be a religious school. It’s fine to be a for-profit. It seems really sketchy to be both. And anywhere that is tightly affiliated with the Colangelos can go pound sand. I would strongly prefer that SDSU not schedule GCU. GCU has always been a scam, they accept nearly 100% of applicants and graduate about 33%, but very little money into education, tens of millions on advertising, and return a profit to stakeholders, another Trump University or Liberty all marred in lawsuits, scandals, and deceit in the name of God. |
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Post by LostAztec on Mar 24, 2024 14:29:22 GMT -8
Agree. It’s fine to be a religious school. It’s fine to be a for-profit. It seems really sketchy to be both. And anywhere that is tightly affiliated with the Colangelos can go pound sand. I would strongly prefer that SDSU not schedule GCU. GCU has always been a scam, they accept nearly 100% of applicants and graduate about 33%, but very little money into education, tens of millions on advertising, and return a profit to stakeholders, another Trump University or Liberty all marred in lawsuits, scandals, and deceit in the name of God. Pimping God has always been the biggest and longest running con in human history. Ergo, it is really no surprise they are having the problems they are. |
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