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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 12:48:57 GMT -8
Lol. Wow. So you're saying they were complicit. Thanks, we finally agree. Then again, this doesn't really make sense. The rules were announced ahead of time, it's not like they changed mid-stream. And their ratings were where they always are, behind other networks. Their tactics didn't work. Desperation causes desperate acts. Call it what it is, an unmitigated failure. We are so worried about the perception of what we "saw" that we've now been blinded to anything else. It's all become moot. When we fail to question what we perceive...well, there's no real good ending here. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 12:53:44 GMT -8
Almost like we've seen this script before.
"Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it."
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 3, 2024 14:22:20 GMT -8
Almost like we've seen this script before. "Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it." well...Joe saying he "almost fell asleep up there" isn't reassuring. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 14:25:23 GMT -8
Almost like we've seen this script before. "Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it." well...Joe saying he "almost fell asleep up there" isn't reassuring. Only if you think that actually matters on a bigger scale. I personally don't. And we're still not talking about the things that actually matter, or should, in this election cycle. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 14:27:57 GMT -8
This is mainly aimed at you, Ryan. You respond vigorously to every political thread. That is actually a note of praise, since it is obvious that you are very intelligent and well informed. But you have little patience for those whose political views differ from yours. As for me, I do not assume that my own political views are so obviously correct that anyone who has differing views is foolish and not worthy of respect. I may keep my views, but after taking a good look at what others think.
One thing you wrote that I do reject is your recent statement that Democracy will disappear under a second Trump presidency. This view ignores the numerous aspects of the U.S. national government that would not sit idly were a President Trump intent on becoming a dictator.
What do you think Trump would do?
* Cancel elections?
* Dissolve Congress?
* Declare running for a third term legal?
That Trump would actually try any of the aforementioned actions is beyond absurd. Well, beyond absurd unless you think that Donald Trump is the second coming of Adolf Hitler. In any case, the attempt to do any of those actions would be universally condemned by the vast majority of Americans and would fail.
There is no doubt that a second Trump term would include many proposals that the Left, in particular, would condemn. But those would be political questions and not attempts to destroy democracy.
I must add here that the Democrats have no one but themselves to blame for 2016 and 2024. Hillary Clinton was likely the one candidate that Trump could beat in '16. And Biden is likely the only candidate that Trump has a chance of beating this Fall.
AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 16:23:26 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2024 17:08:17 GMT -8
Almost like we've seen this script before. "Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it." Not even CLOSE to Biden's situation in terms of the health uncertainty. Actually laughable. Horrible comparison. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 17:12:49 GMT -8
Almost like we've seen this script before. "Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it." Not even CLOSE to Biden's situation in terms of the health uncertainty. Actually laughable. Horrible comparison. Where did you graduate medical school from? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2024 17:25:10 GMT -8
Not even CLOSE to Biden's situation in terms of the health uncertainty. Actually laughable. Horrible comparison. Where did you graduate medical school from? I'm talking about Biden's health in terms of how he's perceived in comparison to Hillary during her time. Not close. Right, or wrong, his mental state, age, lucidness, etc, etc, etc, is all people are talking about. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 17:30:05 GMT -8
Where did you graduate medical school from? I'm talking about Biden's health in terms of how he's perceived in comparison to Hillary during her time. Not close. Right, or wrong, his mental state, age, lucidness, etc, etc, etc, is all people are talking about. Are you new here? That's what I've been saying for a week. I could not give one single of ounce of anything on what people's perceptions are. Once again, they have been driven by a non-stop media blitz, inundated with negative headlines, every hour. Of course people are going to believe it, it's what the Soviets and the KGB used to do. It's a fascinating, albeit grotesque and perverse study of psychological conditioning. Can you elaborate on Hilary's health conditions? She was the second oldest nominee in history at the time, so I think a comparison is relevant. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2024 17:48:35 GMT -8
I'm talking about Biden's health in terms of how he's perceived in comparison to Hillary during her time. Not close. Right, or wrong, his mental state, age, lucidness, etc, etc, etc, is all people are talking about. Are you new here? That's what I've been saying for a week. I could not give one single of ounce of anything on what people's perceptions are. Once again, they have been driven by a non-stop media blitz, inundated with negative headlines, every hour. Of course people are going to believe it, it's what the Soviets and the KGB used to do. It's a fascinating, albeit grotesque and perverse study of psychological conditioning. Can you elaborate on Hilary's health conditions? She was the second oldest nominee in history at the time, so I think a comparison is relevant. Am I new here? Hilarious. It seemed as though I needed to spell it out for you since you didn't get what I meant the first time. You're making it sound like the outrage was the same for Hillary. Hillary wasn't anywhere near Biden's deficiencies. Hillary didn't, stumble, mumble, freeze, stare off into space, speak incoherently, amongst other issues. Not even in the same stratosphere in terms of comparison between the two when it comes to how Americans perceive the both of them. She may have been second oldest, but completely different than Biden in those regards BY FAR. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 17:53:06 GMT -8
Are you new here? That's what I've been saying for a week. I could not give one single of ounce of anything on what people's perceptions are. Once again, they have been driven by a non-stop media blitz, inundated with negative headlines, every hour. Of course people are going to believe it, it's what the Soviets and the KGB used to do. It's a fascinating, albeit grotesque and perverse study of psychological conditioning. Can you elaborate on Hilary's health conditions? She was the second oldest nominee in history at the time, so I think a comparison is relevant. Am I new here? Hilarious. It seemed as though I needed to spell it out for you since you didn't get what I meant the first time. Hillary wasn't anywhere near Biden's deficiencies. Hillary didn't, stumble, mumble, freeze, stare off into space, speak incoherently, amongst other issues. Not even in the same stratosphere in terms of comparison between the two when it comes to how Americans perceive the both of them. She may have been second oldest, but completely different than Biden in those regards BY FAR. No, I got what you meant. I've been saying it for days, essentially. I understand what the problem is, my goal is to challenge the source and find out why it's happening and why there is an existing double standard currently occuring. Can you actually talk about Hilary's health issues? Mumbling is not a health condition. Everything you described is part of the aging process. Spinal arthritis, atrial fibrilation...those things are health and age-related. Two things Biden is actually afflicted with. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2024 18:06:21 GMT -8
Am I new here? Hilarious. It seemed as though I needed to spell it out for you since you didn't get what I meant the first time. Hillary wasn't anywhere near Biden's deficiencies. Hillary didn't, stumble, mumble, freeze, stare off into space, speak incoherently, amongst other issues. Not even in the same stratosphere in terms of comparison between the two when it comes to how Americans perceive the both of them. She may have been second oldest, but completely different than Biden in those regards BY FAR. No, I got what you meant. I've been saying it for days, essentially. I understand what the problem is, my goal is to challenge the source and find out why it's happening and why there is an existing double standard currently occuring. Can you actually talk about Hilary's health issues? Mumbling is not a health condition. Everything you described is part of the aging process. Spinal arthritis, atrial fibrilation...those things are health and age-related. Two things Biden is actually afflicted with. I understand it's part of aging and why a lot of Americans think he's too old. It's not mainly about those two issues, the atrial and Spinal conditions, for Americans concerning Biden, it's about the other issues I described. The optics, right or wrong. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 18:17:59 GMT -8
No, I got what you meant. I've been saying it for days, essentially. I understand what the problem is, my goal is to challenge the source and find out why it's happening and why there is an existing double standard currently occuring. Can you actually talk about Hilary's health issues? Mumbling is not a health condition. Everything you described is part of the aging process. Spinal arthritis, atrial fibrilation...those things are health and age-related. Two things Biden is actually afflicted with. I understand it's part of aging and why a lot of Americans think he's too old. It's not mainly about those two issues, the atrial and Spinal conditions, for Americans concerning Biden, it's about the other issues I described. The optics, right or wrong. I know what the problem is. It's obvious. I'm asking you about Hilary, though. What is the difference? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2024 19:11:52 GMT -8
I understand it's part of aging and why a lot of Americans think he's too old. It's not mainly about those two issues, the atrial and Spinal conditions, for Americans concerning Biden, it's about the other issues I described. The optics, right or wrong. I know what the problem is. It's obvious. I'm asking you about Hilary, though. What is the difference? The way America perceives the two. Astoundingly different. Biden has A LOT more issues that are noticeable than what Hillary exhibited. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 19:15:32 GMT -8
I know what the problem is. It's obvious. I'm asking you about Hilary, though. What is the difference? The way America perceives the two. Astoundingly different. Biden has A LOT more issues that are noticeable than what Hillary exhibited. You keep saying the same thing and it's telling me nothing. What. Was. The. Difference. I'm not asking you about optics, I'm asking you to expound on Hilary's health issues. I know what you think, tell me what you know. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2024 19:25:53 GMT -8
The way America perceives the two. Astoundingly different. Biden has A LOT more issues that are noticeable than what Hillary exhibited. You keep saying the same thing and it's telling me nothing. What. Was. The. Difference. I'm not asking you about optics, I'm asking you to expound on Hilary's health issues. I know what you think, tell me what you know. That's absolutely irrelevant to what's going on today. It doesn't matter. It doesn't compare to Biden in terms of the American response. That. Is. What. I. Know. And. That's. What. Matters. Right. Now. I do capital letters, and you like to do periods after every word to exclaim yourself. The difference is that I don't bitch about it, and you do. Biden's health issues and mental acuity are many and for all to see. I could Google her health issues, but it does not matter in this situation. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 19:41:04 GMT -8
You keep saying the same thing and it's telling me nothing. What. Was. The. Difference. I'm not asking you about optics, I'm asking you to expound on Hilary's health issues. I know what you think, tell me what you know. That's absolutely irrelevant to what's going on today. It doesn't matter. It doesn't compare to Biden in terms of the American response. That. Is. What. I. Know. And. That's. What. Matters. Right. Now. I do capital letters, and you like to do periods after every word to exclaim yourself. The difference is that I don't bitch about it, and you do. Biden's health issues and mental acuity are many and for all to see. I could Google her health issues, but it does not matter in this situation. So, in other words, you don't have the slightest idea. It doesn't matter? What..? When you have a coordinated media effort from every angle to influence the minds and opinions of voters, it absolutely does matter. To say to the contrary is quite insane, to be honest. If you see the same thing in print continuously, from the same sources of consumption, you're going to be indoctrinated to some degree. It's MAGA, just a different cult and difffent line of persuasion. I'm stunned you would take that path. I'm not exclaiming anything. It gets tiresome having to repeat the same question again and again because you've evasively maneuvered around it. Now I know why. And you should Google it, because you'd likely feel silly after you did. First, her medical records (fake) were posted to social media and conservative websites, complete with fake scans and medical histories. Secondly, in real life, she was a soon-to-be 70 year old who suffered a transverse sinus venous thrombosis. That's a precursor to a stroke, caused by a blood clot in the brain. It can kill you. My aunt died of a pulmonary embolism and she was only 61. So, yeah, that kinda does matter. What we are dancing around here is you want to focus on the "optics" and I want to focus on why it's happening. I don't care at all about the general public's reactions, I care about the selective bias and attention from the media that's haphazardly shaping minds of voters. If we are going to damage Biden's chances due to journalistic malpractice, it needs to be identified. We need to hold a standard that is the same for each candidate. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 3, 2024 20:19:15 GMT -8
That's absolutely irrelevant to what's going on today. It doesn't matter. It doesn't compare to Biden in terms of the American response. That. Is. What. I. Know. And. That's. What. Matters. Right. Now. I do capital letters, and you like to do periods after every word to exclaim yourself. The difference is that I don't bitch about it, and you do. Biden's health issues and mental acuity are many and for all to see. I could Google her health issues, but it does not matter in this situation. So, in other words, you don't have the slightest idea. It doesn't matter? What..? When you have a coordinated media effort from every angle to influence the minds and opinions of voters, it absolutely does matter. To say to the contrary is quite insane, to be honest. If you see the same thing in print continuously, from the same sources of consumption, you're going to be indoctrinated to some degree. It's MAGA, just a different cult and difffent line of persuasion. I'm stunned you would take that path. I'm not exclaiming anything. It gets tiresome having to repeat the same question again and again because you've evasively maneuvered around it. Now I know why. And you should Google it, because you'd likely feel silly after you did. First, her medical records (fake) were posted to social media and conservative websites, complete with fake scans and medical histories. Secondly, in real life, she was a soon-to-be 70 year old who suffered a transverse sinus venous thrombosis. That's a precursor to a stroke, caused by a blood clot in the brain. It can kill you. My aunt died of a pulmonary embolism and she was only 61. So, yeah, that kinda does matter. What we are dancing around here is you want to focus on the "optics" and I want to focus on why it's happening. I don't care at all about the general public's reactions, I care about the selective bias and attention from the media that's haphazardly shaping minds of voters. If we are going to damage Biden's chances due to journalistic malpractice, it needs to be identified. We need to hold a standard that is the same for each candidate. Ryan this is completely different from 2016. A vote for Biden is a vote for his administration, not for him himself. Biden is not fully there anymore. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 3, 2024 20:29:43 GMT -8
Here are some other stats from the CBS News Poll – June 28-29, 2024: 72% of voters say that Biden should not be running. Among those 72%, 86% say that Biden's age is a reason why he shouldn't be running, and 71% think that decisions that he might make in office are reasons why he shouldn't run. 64% of voters think that Biden should step aside and let another Democrat run for president. |
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