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Post by junior on Mar 13, 2024 12:32:50 GMT -8
It's more than that. The LV Convention and Visitors Association (or whatever they call it) throws a lot of money into the pot. The can't do that if the tournament is connected to any of casinos according to the news reports I've read. Supposedly playing at the T&M is worth about $1,000,000 to the conference. There is no perfect solution and the money is the reason it can't be at a neutral site. Those thinking that leaving the Thomas and Mack makes any difference should just ask themselves, if the conference played in the Sports Arena in San Diego or the new arena in Oceanside, who does that favor? Plus the fact that without the Convention money going with the T&M deal, ticket prices will have to absorb the $1M in "considerations". Good luck getting that to work for most people. |
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Post by standiego on Mar 13, 2024 12:49:29 GMT -8
If a money issue little doubt that it stays where it has been
If the coaches think there are better solutions - do they get a vote ? Then ask Dutcher what he thinks - believe he has said - have it in Vegas BUT not at UNLV's home facility -
would MGM drop some costs if they might think they have a good number of rooms if the T is at their facility and be able to make a good amount of money from those that stay there ?
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Post by LostAztec on Mar 13, 2024 12:53:38 GMT -8
With financial incentives, the MW Tourney is in the perfect spot.
Many smaller Conferences hold their Tourneys at the Arena of the Regular Season Champ. When they lose in the quarters or semis, the building is empty for the remaining games.
Can you imagine the Conference Tourney in Laramie ? Tiny gym, not enough Hotel rooms, Teams busing in from Laramie or Denver ?
The MW is fortunate to have Vegas in the geographical center of the MW. Personally, I think they should move the FB Title game back to Vegas.
Remember the year the Aztecs played in Wyoming twice ? How about an MWCCG in Logan ?
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Mar 13, 2024 13:37:14 GMT -8
LINK: tinyurl.com/yhbnnup5A few changes to the MW tournament could help build the conference's brand. Hope you enjoy it. A good article and he makes some good points. Yes, there should be a day off between either semis and finals or quarters and semis. Albeit professionals, they are still young and several years away from their prime. You can do the same with the Womens Tourney and work it in. However, having the Regular Season Champ host the Tourney would be a disaster. Good luck getting last minute tix to places like Logan and Boise. Vegas is perfect. Every Team and their fans can easily get to Vegas. The weather is nice, plenty of Hotels and things to do. Not so much in Logan, Laramie, Fres-neck etc. Having the Tourney in Reno gives advantages to the high altitude squads. Despite the perception, UNLV getting a supposed Home Court advantage is b.s. They haven't won this Tourney since 2008. Nor, have they been to the Title game since 2013. 2014 was the last time they advanced past the quarters. Tourney rules require UNLV to stay in the same Hotel as the rest of the Teams. They are moved out of their regular Locker Room. And those of you who have been to a UNLV home game and the Tourney can attest that the backdrops are sightlines are altered. Outside of not having to travel, this is a neutral court for the Debs as well. The biggest bonus is the LV Convention and Visitors Bureau provides big financial incentives for the MWC to play in the T&M. Those would go away if they moved to another arena. From the UT article of March 5. "The Mountain West has a sweetheart deal with Thomas & Mack because it is not owned by a hotel or casino, allowing the Las Vegas Convention & Visitors Authority to entice an event to town without playing favorites. Those enticements, according to former Mountain West Commissioner Craig Thompson, included 80 percent of the arena’s rent, plus hotel rooms for 22 teams (11 men’s, 11 women’s) and a cash payment to the conference office believed to be in the six figures. T-Mobile Arena is part-owned by MGM Resorts International, as is the MGM Grand Garden Arena across the street. In 2015, when the Mountain West considered leaving Thomas & Mack for the MGM Grand Garden Arena (because the Pac-12 was moving to T-Mobile), Thompson estimated the conference would take a $1 million hit without the LVCVA subsidies." So Imho, moving out of the T&M is a bad, terrible, and ill-advised move. How many champions games was unlv in the first 13 years of the tourney? 8!! The fact that unlv has been in 8 championship games but had only won 1 reg season championship shows that they outperformed in the conference tourney. Why? Because home court is an advantage Sure, unlv has been so bad lately that the home court advantage didn’t matter, history indicates that an average too good unlv squad can over achieve playing at home in the tourney |
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Post by aztecm on Mar 13, 2024 14:19:07 GMT -8
It's absolutely an advantage, regardless of what locker room they go through as soon as they step back on campus they're playing on their home court. Same one they practice on every day, same gym they play half their games on. Thankfully the UNLV crowd is terrible and can't pack the arena.
Do we actually think any of those UNLV hotel rooms end up being used? If the mountain west does bed checks that's great for them, but during the day no doubt players are back in their places/in their training room treating it like a home game.
I'm fine with the game being in Vegas, would prefer it to be in a different arena, but if it's saving this poverty conference $$ that can be given to schools then so be it.
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Post by fisherville on Mar 13, 2024 15:00:06 GMT -8
I’m fine with the tourney being where it is. Because of how tickets distribute it’s nothing like a normal home game for UNLV
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Mar 13, 2024 18:20:44 GMT -8
I’m fine with the tourney being where it is. Because of how tickets distribute it’s nothing like a normal home game for UNLV Getting them first game sure helps because fans are not selling tickets from the losing teams. Playing them in the semi final or championship can give them the advantage with locals scooping up the tickets of losing fans. It really is crazy how much Aztec fans travel for basketball. We literally take over anything in So Cal. I have seen us represent in place like St Marys and do we show for Vegas. We are willing to travel for sure. The scene in Houston was nuts last year. There were so many Aztec fans you would think it was a home game against FAU and UCONN. Aztec Nation is strong and we are not afraid to open the pocketbooks to support our teams. |
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Post by standiego on Mar 13, 2024 21:22:31 GMT -8
while the floor design might be different - do they also change the rims or locker rooms - believe UNLV is also the home team with their regular routine
By the way it is the last game of the afternoon session - could the school possibly buy some extra tickets for their students if there are open seats
Realize it is all about the money but for schools needing to win some games for MM this does get some what sticky
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Mar 14, 2024 15:29:38 GMT -8
I am unable to watch the game but ESPN has unlv with an 18-4 FT advantage, is that legit or more Mgc bs?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Mar 14, 2024 17:05:08 GMT -8
Of all the problems I have with the MW, the tournament in T&C is not one of them.
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Post by LostAztec on Mar 14, 2024 22:27:45 GMT -8
while the floor design might be different - do they also change the rims or locker rooms - believe UNLV is also the home team with their regular routine By the way it is the last game of the afternoon session - could the school possibly buy some extra tickets for their students if there are open seats Realize it is all about the money but for schools needing to win some games for MM this does get some what sticky Per some UNLV fans on the MWCBoard, they are not using their regular locker room. And, they are required to stay at the same Hotels with the other Schools. |
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Post by sdsudevil on Mar 14, 2024 22:49:50 GMT -8
My only question is since UNLV owns T&M, do they get money on everyone but them filling it?
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Post by aztech on Mar 15, 2024 0:43:30 GMT -8
It's absolutely an advantage, regardless of what locker room they go through as soon as they step back on campus they're playing on their home court. Same one they practice on every day, same gym they play half their games on. Thankfully the UNLV crowd is terrible and can't pack the arena. Do we actually think any of those UNLV hotel rooms end up being used? If the mountain west does bed checks that's great for them, but during the day no doubt players are back in their places/in their training room treating it like a home game. I'm fine with the game being in Vegas, would prefer it to be in a different arena, but if it's saving this poverty conference $$ that can be given to schools then so be it. It is after all, Sin City. For those who fly in there's never an issue getting flights. It's also convenient for the snow birds to fly there as well. |
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Post by hoobs on Mar 15, 2024 4:29:10 GMT -8
My only question is since UNLV owns T&M, do they get money on everyone but them filling it? I think the revenue goes to the conference, with the T&M charging a very discounted rate to use the facility. It really is a very good financial deal for the conference. |
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Post by aztecbb on Mar 15, 2024 12:40:14 GMT -8
Not broken, don't fix.
Aztec season ticket holder who go to MGC Championship every year.
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Post by aztecx on Mar 15, 2024 12:46:55 GMT -8
Not broken, don't fix. Aztec season ticket holder who go to MGC Championship every year. So you are ok with unlv playing in their home gym. Cool. Wait until it costs SDSU a tourney bid. |
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Post by jerry100 on Mar 15, 2024 13:28:07 GMT -8
i join the chorus in saying the best location is to keep this in Las vegas. if this were to rotate, it would cause sdsu to play at altitude in MWC tournament. this is not the case if tournament stays in las vegas.
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Post by hoobs on Mar 15, 2024 15:16:56 GMT -8
Not broken, don't fix. Aztec season ticket holder who go to MGC Championship every year. So you are ok with unlv playing in their home gym. Cool. Wait until it costs SDSU a tourney bid. Considering SDSU's record @ the T&M in the MW Tourney... I definitely want to keep it there. The home floor advantage for UNLV hasn't done them much good - esp. against the Aztecs. |
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Post by standiego on Mar 15, 2024 15:40:56 GMT -8
think people are asking that the T be at another facility IN Las Vegas-
yes know that teams stays in Hotels including UNLV and that they have a different designed floor
Are the rims and backboards - changed - and the locker rooms - think because UNLV was the better seed they got the home locker room
That last shot from UNLV almost went in or if UNLV might have had their better defender down low and If SDSU had lost- many would have a different tune
UNLV had been in a tail spin but the current coach has them moving in a much better direction - especially with their very good PG
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Post by aztecbrothers on Mar 16, 2024 4:40:23 GMT -8
It should stay in Las Vegas permanently. But you could have it in the Bay Area. Lots of good venues there. The Bay Area is a crime ridden dump. It is best to avoid a City with a "Poop Map" |
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