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Post by aztecpaulg on Mar 12, 2024 13:13:02 GMT -8
LINK: tinyurl.com/yhbnnup5A few changes to the MW tournament could help build the conference's brand. Hope you enjoy it. |
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Post by mayham81 on Mar 12, 2024 14:05:02 GMT -8
Remember when they moved the tournament to Denver and no one went? It should stay in Vegas but move to a neutral venue. T Mobile is available starting next year or the MGM Grand. Having schools rotate hosting is not a step up in prestige but a step down.
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Post by aztecnails on Mar 12, 2024 14:33:07 GMT -8
1) restore the ability to tailgate in the parking lot and in a city that allows one to walk around with an alcoholic drink. 2) allow game attendees to go on the balcony outside section 106 and 107 to make phone calls, etc. 3) restore the seats behind the baskets to the 4th row. Denver was fun specially in 2006 despite 7,000 Wyoming fans for the final and the bars closed too early.
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Mar 12, 2024 14:34:24 GMT -8
Remember when they moved the tournament to Denver and know one went? It should stay in Vegas but move to a neutral venue. T Mobile is available starting next year or the MGM Grand. Having schools rotate hosting is not a step up in prestige but a step down. I always wondered what it would be like if it was in San Diego. I use to think we could have at the Sports Arena or something. We typically have home court in Vegas so wouldn't be much different in SD. It would just be another destination location that could be considered. Probably never happen with how much the MGC hates State. I just think it would be interesting to see how well fans outside of SD would travel. Outside of Vegas and SD, not sure we have another destination location to consider for the MGC tournament. Denver was definitely a disaster! |
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Post by aztecnails on Mar 12, 2024 14:59:47 GMT -8
Maybe Reno when their new arena opens. Reno is just like Vegas but on a smaller scale.
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Post by namssa on Mar 12, 2024 15:55:00 GMT -8
It should stay in Las Vegas permanently. But you could have it in the Bay Area. Lots of good venues there.
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Post by 94sdsu on Mar 12, 2024 16:48:48 GMT -8
The thing should permanently stay in Vegas, just move it to a another venue other than the Thomas and Mack.
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Post by aztecking on Mar 12, 2024 17:30:28 GMT -8
Vegas makes the most sense for a variety of reasons but they clearly need a different venue. T-Mobile area makes too much sense which is why the idiots who run the conference probably won’t choose that.
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Post by smoothcat on Mar 12, 2024 17:52:27 GMT -8
I think Vegas is the spot for it and it would be nice to have it in a different arena there.
But my understanding is the money is such that it works far better at the Thomas & Mack.
In the past, I haven't felt it is a huge advantage for UNLV, let's see how the crowd is for this one.
If we shoot even decently we should win by double digits.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Mar 12, 2024 18:01:28 GMT -8
It’s about Money. The T&C charges a below market rate. Unless another venue matches the T&C package, it isn’t moving.
And it isn’t moving from Vegas either, attendance is maximized at Vegas.
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Post by AzTex on Mar 12, 2024 21:29:02 GMT -8
It’s about Money. The T&C charges a below market rate. Unless another venue matches the T&C package, it isn’t moving. And it isn’t moving from Vegas either, attendance is maximized at Vegas. It's more than that. The LV Convention and Visitors Association (or whatever they call it) throws a lot of money into the pot. The can't do that if the tournament is connected to any of casinos according to the news reports I've read. Supposedly playing at the T&M is worth about $1,000,000 to the conference. |
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Post by standiego on Mar 13, 2024 6:49:27 GMT -8
as mentioned the PAC will not be holding a T there next season - so there should be added interest -lower costs for T's there - while not as low as at the UNLV facility - there should be venues that could make it work - not sure if there are other conventions going on
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Post by aztecpaulg on Mar 13, 2024 8:56:55 GMT -8
It’s about Money. The T&C charges a below market rate. Unless another venue matches the T&C package, it isn’t moving. And it isn’t moving from Vegas either, attendance is maximized at Vegas. It's more than that. The LV Convention and Visitors Association (or whatever they call it) throws a lot of money into the pot. The can't do that if the tournament is connected to any of casinos according to the news reports I've read. Supposedly playing at the T&M is worth about $1,000,000 to the conference. There is no perfect solution and the money is the reason it can't be at a neutral site. Those thinking that leaving the Thomas and Mack makes any difference should just ask themselves, if the conference played in the Sports Arena in San Diego or the new arena in Oceanside, who does that favor? |
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Post by AzTex on Mar 13, 2024 9:34:10 GMT -8
It's more than that. The LV Convention and Visitors Association (or whatever they call it) throws a lot of money into the pot. The can't do that if the tournament is connected to any of casinos according to the news reports I've read. Supposedly playing at the T&M is worth about $1,000,000 to the conference. There is no perfect solution and the money is the reason it can't be at a neutral site. Those thinking that leaving the Thomas and Mack makes any difference should just ask themselves, if the conference played in the Sports Arena in San Diego or the new arena in Oceanside, who does that favor? Of course that would favor us.  But, that is the reason for some kind of rotation. Considering that UNLV hasn't won more than their share of championships at the T&M (they haven't even won their share) I have no problem with the tournament being held there. Sure, I'd love it to be in San Diego County to make it easier for me and our other fans to attend. But, being in Las Vegas is probably better for the league as whole. |
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Post by missiontrails on Mar 13, 2024 9:34:33 GMT -8
I was about to speculate that the Big 12 will probably move their conference tourney to Vegas, with the Pac 12 leaving.....until I looked it up and they are locked in to T-Mobile Center in Kansas City through 2031.
There's one advantage we have over the Big 12 at least. I wouldn't be shocked if the Big 12 moves to Las Vegas in 2032.
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Post by azson on Mar 13, 2024 9:47:15 GMT -8
Remember when they moved the tournament to Denver and no one went? It should stay in Vegas but move to a neutral venue. T Mobile is available starting next year or the MGM Grand. Having schools rotate hosting is not a step up in prestige but a step down. No tailgating at those. We went to the Pac tourney a few years ago and it sucked, i.e. nowhere for Aztecaritas. And if you can't have Aztecaritas, why bother? |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Mar 13, 2024 9:49:35 GMT -8
It does give UNLV an advantage when they have a decent team. In the first 11 years of the MWC tourney UNLV was in 7 championship games, winning 3 of them. They have only one MWC reg season championship in 2000. Clearly they perform better in the tournament than they have in the reg season. NOTE: They have not been in the championship game in over 10 years, but they have been bad.
MWC TEAMS Season Champ Tourney Champ Finals Appearances
SDSU 9 7 15
UNLV 1 3 8
New Mexico 4 4 6
Utah State 2 2 4
Wyoming 2 1 2
Fresno 0 1 1
CSU 0 1 2
Boise 2 1 1
Nevada 3 1 1
UNLV has made 8 tourney championship games, but only won one conference reg season championship. Playing in their home arena clearly gives them an advantage.
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Post by aztecx on Mar 13, 2024 9:53:48 GMT -8
It does give UNLV an advantage when they have a decent team. In the first 11 years of the MWC tourney UNLV was in 7 championship games, winning 3 of them. They have only one MWC reg season championship in 2000. Clearly they perform better in the tournament than they have in the reg season. NOTE: They have not been in the championship game in over 10 years, but they have been bad. MWC TEAMS Season Champ Tourney Champ Finals Appearances SDSU 9 7 15 UNLV 1 3 8 New Mexico 4 4 6 Utah State 2 2 4 Wyoming 2 1 2 Fresno 0 1 1 CSU 0 1 2 Boise 2 1 1 Nevada 3 1 1 UNLV has made 8 tourney championship games, but only won one conference reg season championship. Playing in their home arena clearly gives them an advantage. Of course it is an advantage for UNLV. Anyone who says different is just being silly. |
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Post by LostAztec on Mar 13, 2024 10:15:05 GMT -8
LINK: tinyurl.com/yhbnnup5A few changes to the MW tournament could help build the conference's brand. Hope you enjoy it. A good article and he makes some good points. Yes, there should be a day off between either semis and finals or quarters and semis. Albeit professionals, they are still young and several years away from their prime. You can do the same with the Womens Tourney and work it in. However, having the Regular Season Champ host the Tourney would be a disaster. Good luck getting last minute tix to places like Logan and Boise. Vegas is perfect. Every Team and their fans can easily get to Vegas. The weather is nice, plenty of Hotels and things to do. Not so much in Logan, Laramie, Fres-neck etc. Having the Tourney in Reno gives advantages to the high altitude squads. Despite the perception, UNLV getting a supposed Home Court advantage is b.s. They haven't won this Tourney since 2008. Nor, have they been to the Title game since 2013. 2014 was the last time they advanced past the quarters. Tourney rules require UNLV to stay in the same Hotel as the rest of the Teams. They are moved out of their regular Locker Room. And those of you who have been to a UNLV home game and the Tourney can attest that the backdrops are sightlines are altered. Outside of not having to travel, this is a neutral court for the Debs as well. The biggest bonus is the LV Convention and Visitors Bureau provides big financial incentives for the MWC to play in the T&M. Those would go away if they moved to another arena. From the UT article of March 5. "The Mountain West has a sweetheart deal with Thomas & Mack because it is not owned by a hotel or casino, allowing the Las Vegas Convention & Visitors Authority to entice an event to town without playing favorites. Those enticements, according to former Mountain West Commissioner Craig Thompson, included 80 percent of the arena’s rent, plus hotel rooms for 22 teams (11 men’s, 11 women’s) and a cash payment to the conference office believed to be in the six figures. T-Mobile Arena is part-owned by MGM Resorts International, as is the MGM Grand Garden Arena across the street. In 2015, when the Mountain West considered leaving Thomas & Mack for the MGM Grand Garden Arena (because the Pac-12 was moving to T-Mobile), Thompson estimated the conference would take a $1 million hit without the LVCVA subsidies." So Imho, moving out of the T&M is a bad, terrible, and ill-advised move. |
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 13, 2024 11:59:53 GMT -8
Remember when they moved the tournament to Denver and know one went? It should stay in Vegas but move to a neutral venue. T Mobile is available starting next year or the MGM Grand. Having schools rotate hosting is not a step up in prestige but a step down. I always wondered what it would be like if it was in San Diego. I use to think we could have at the Sports Arena or something. We typically have home court in Vegas so wouldn't be much different in SD. It would just be another destination location that could be considered. Probably never happen with how much the MGC hates State. I just think it would be interesting to see how well fans outside of SD would travel. Outside of Vegas and SD, not sure we have another destination location to consider for the MGC tournament. Denver was definitely a disaster! SD is a possibility only if we join the PAC2. Zero chance that happens in the MW. Vegas is a good location anyways, no need to change it. |
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But, that is the reason for some kind of rotation. Considering that UNLV hasn't won more than their share of championships at the T&M (they haven't even won their share) I have no problem with the tournament being held there. Sure, I'd love it to be in San Diego County to make it easier for me and our other fans to attend. But, being in Las Vegas is probably better for the league as whole.
