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Post by FULL_MONTY on Mar 7, 2024 12:32:15 GMT -8
x.com/MountainWest/status/1765831185580638259?s=20Another FU to State and cave in to the Wyoming's and USU's of the MW. You would think with the multiple bids the conference has been attaining that sticking with the current 18 would be prudent, but alas the conference is run for the range. We are captives.
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Post by mactec on Mar 7, 2024 13:00:00 GMT -8
The 18-game schedule caused an imbalanced schedule which allowed the teams predicted to do well to avoid round robins against the bottom half of the conference. I don't see how two extra games against the likes SJSU / AF / Fresno / Wyoming will do anything to improve our seeds / bids.
I just hope we can make sure we open the season with two games against the bottom dwellers. Usually we schedule tune up games the last week of December, so hopefully they make the schedule in a way that allows us to drop those tune up games. (Though still I'd argue a game against St Katherines is better than SJSU because the former doesn't count).
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Mar 7, 2024 13:05:43 GMT -8
The 18-game schedule caused an imbalanced schedule which allowed the teams predicted to do well to avoid round robins against the bottom half of the conference. I don't see how two extra games against the likes SJSU / AF / Fresno / Wyoming will do anything to improve our seeds / bids. I just hope we can make sure we open the season with two games against the bottom dwellers. Usually we schedule tune up games the last week of December, so hopefully they make the schedule in a way that allows us to drop those tune up games. (Though still I'd argue a game against St Katherines is better than SJSU because the former doesn't count). It doesn't. It makes it easier for SJSU, UNM, WYO, USU, and others that have been complaining with scheduling. Their inability or desirability to put together a schedule is why they increased it from 14 to 18 and now 20.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 7, 2024 13:44:14 GMT -8
When we move to 20 conference games, we can compare ourselves to the other Mid-Major conferences. Many play each conference opponent 2x, need to review the power 5 leagues. However, with more conferences playing a balanced schedule and P5 adding conference games, there will be fewer good OOC games to chase for schools like SDSU.
Current Non-Power 5 leagues ASUN: 12 teams, 16 conference games (1.45x per school) Am East: 9 teams, 16 conference games (2x per school) AAC: 14 teams, 18 conference games (1.38x) A10: 15 teams, 18 conference games (1.20x) Big East: 11 teams, 20 conference games (2.0x) Big Sky: 10 teams, 18 conference games (2.0x) Big South: 9 teams, 16 conference games (2.0x) Big West: 11 teams, 20 conference games (2.0) CCA: 14 teams, 18 conference games (1.38x) CUSA: 9 teams, 16 conference games (2.0x) Horizon: 11 teams, 20 conference games (2.0x) Ivy: 8 teams, 14 conference games (2.0x) MAAC: 11 teams, 20 conference games (2.0x) MAC: 12 teams, 18 conference games (1.63x) MEAC: 8 teams, 14 conference games (2.0x) MVC: 12 teams, 20 conference games (1.81x) NEC: 9 teams, 16 conference games (2.0x) OVC: 11 teams, 18 conference games (1.8x) Patriot: 10 teams, 18 conference games (2.0x) Southern: 10 teams, 18 conference games (2.0x) Southland: 10 teams, 18 conference games (2.0x) SWAC: 12 teams, 18 conference games (1.63x) Summit; 9 teams, 16 conference games (2.0x) Sun Belt: 14 teams, 18 conference games (1.38x) WCC: 9 teams, 16 conference games (2.0x) WAC: 11 teams, 20 conference games (2.0x)
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Post by LostAztec on Mar 7, 2024 14:52:41 GMT -8
This will hurt the NET of the upper half.
Because Conference games will be in December, it also affects our ability to schedule Q1 and Q2 games at that time.
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Post by Den60 on Mar 7, 2024 14:56:12 GMT -8
How do we get out of this chicken-$#!+ conference?
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Post by Boise Aztec on Mar 7, 2024 15:22:58 GMT -8
x.com/MountainWest/status/1765831185580638259?s=20Another FU to State and cave in to the Wyoming's and USU's of the MW. You would think with the multiple bids the conference has been attaining that sticking with the current 18 would be prudent, but alas the conference is run for the range. We are captives. It depends… if you have a year like this year and there are six teams in the NET Top 50 and seven in the Top 70… no problem… with this assumption you get 6/7 road Q1 games in conference 2/3 home Q1 games in conference 4/5 home Q2 games in conference So 14 out of 20 games are Q1/Q2… reasonable If you know this and know that you are going to have six Q3/Q4 games in conference then you add a Multiple Event and get 2/3 Q1/Q2 games leaving you with seven games (or so) to schedule… You can choose the B12 method and only schedule one away and one mistral site game with the over five being home games you know you can win by 40…
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Post by namssa on Mar 7, 2024 15:44:48 GMT -8
Utah State this year got to avoid games at Nevada and UNLV which really helped them win the conference. You figure that is at least 1 loss there. UNLV which is in 2nd got to avoid at Utah State and Boise State. Again at least 1 loss there. So in terms of winning the conference it probably helps us most years since we seem to always miss the bottom of the conference teams (like SJSU and Air Force).
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Post by standiego on Mar 7, 2024 15:45:37 GMT -8
this has been decided for a couple years
as it happens this year with about 7 quality teams the 20 games might not be as bad as in the past -
Dutcher and the staff can do their best to continue to come up with quality OOC games just means that MW will start a week earlier - 2 games also means more games when the students are off - But SDSU can sell some additional tickets
This season USU benefitted in not having to play AT Reno and it could have assisted them with their record - what is the killer are the trips to the Mountain schools during the winter times
Correct the Mountain schools are Not going to get quality teams to come to their school - as playing in altitude tilts the game for the mountain schools
Could SDSU have beaten the Cowboys at their home court and think SDSU could have handled AFA At SDSU -
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Post by namssa on Mar 7, 2024 15:50:07 GMT -8
If you take this year's schedule and take out at UCSD and home against Point Loma and instead substituted at Wyoming and home against Air Force, would it have really made a difference?
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Post by chris92065 on Mar 7, 2024 18:14:22 GMT -8
We can only hope that the pac 2 poaches 6 mwc teams to form their own conference.
I have no problem suing the league to pay a smaller exit fee.
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Post by laaztec on Mar 8, 2024 8:38:38 GMT -8
Another reason to hate this conference. 2 more altitude games against bad teams. Great.
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Post by aztecking on Mar 8, 2024 9:13:54 GMT -8
Utah State this year got to avoid games at Nevada and UNLV which really helped them win the conference. You figure that is at least 1 loss there. UNLV which is in 2nd got to avoid at Utah State and Boise State. Again at least 1 loss there. So in terms of winning the conference it probably helps us most years since we seem to always miss the bottom of the conference teams (like SJSU and Air Force). We always miss the bottom of the conference cause that’s how they design the schedule. They want us in more high profile games since it’s better for TV and for the conference in general.
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Post by aztecking on Mar 8, 2024 9:15:46 GMT -8
If you take this year's schedule and take out at UCSD and home against Point Loma and instead substituted at Wyoming and home against Air Force, would it have really made a difference? It would’ve lowered our SOS substantially. Point Loma is non-D1 so it has no impact on our SOS and UCSD ended up being a “good win” as they are a quadrant 2 team. Replace those 2 game with 2 quad 4 games would made a substantial impact.
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Post by AzTex on Mar 8, 2024 9:38:20 GMT -8
x.com/MountainWest/status/1765831185580638259?s=20Another FU to State and cave in to the Wyoming's and USU's of the MW. You would think with the multiple bids the conference has been attaining that sticking with the current 18 would be prudent, but alas the conference is run for the range. We are captives. It depends… if you have a year like this year and there are six teams in the NET Top 50 and seven in the Top 70… no problem… with this assumption you get 6/7 road Q1 games in conference 2/3 home Q1 games in conference 4/5 home Q2 games in conference So 14 out of 20 games are Q1/Q2… reasonable If you know this and know that you are going to have six Q3/Q4 games in conference then you add a Multiple Event and get 2/3 Q1/Q2 games leaving you with seven games (or so) to schedule… You can choose the B12 method and only schedule one away and one mistral site game with the over five being home games you know you can win by 40… True. But how many times has that happened in MW history? And, how often can we expect that to happen in the future?
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Post by standiego on Mar 8, 2024 12:28:09 GMT -8
In affect it adds one road game and one home game -
Everybody plays every other team - home and away
The timing of the tough road games will be important - does a team catch an opponent early when their students are on break . In addition it is sure easier on a team to be playing during the break - so the guys do not have classes to attend ?
Does it affect Holiday T's in December ?
Hate the travel to the Mountain schools but the home and away against all teams does balance things out
Think the MW teams could lose a lot of talent after this season - as numerous teams have high quality seniors leaving - some with 5 or 6 years of experience
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Post by namssa on Mar 8, 2024 12:45:13 GMT -8
If you take this year's schedule and take out at UCSD and home against Point Loma and instead substituted at Wyoming and home against Air Force, would it have really made a difference? It would’ve lowered our SOS substantially. Point Loma is non-D1 so it has no impact on our SOS and UCSD ended up being a “good win” as they are a quadrant 2 team. Replace those 2 game with 2 quad 4 games would made a substantial impact. Fine substitute Fullerton for Point Loma then. Fullerton was a Quad 4 game, same as Air Force would have been. And UCSD normally is a Quad 3/4. Wyoming would have been a Quad 3 win this year. They are pretty close in the net. Point being if you get rid of the body bag games the schedule would be basically the same.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 8, 2024 12:47:56 GMT -8
When we move to 20 conference games, we can compare ourselves to the other Mid-Major conferences. Many play each conference opponent 2x, need to review the power 5 leagues. However, with more conferences playing a balanced schedule and P5 adding conference games, there will be fewer good OOC games to chase for schools like SDSU. Current Non-Power 5 leagues ASUN: 12 teams, 16 conference games ....... conference games (2.0x)
Damnit, we are NOT a mid-major basketball program! SDSU is a MAJOR program, a member of a MAJOR conference. I cite as evidence Lindy's basketball preview magazine. The list the major conferences as follow:
AAC ACC ATLANTIC 10 BIG EAST BIG 12 BIG 10 MOUNTAIN WEST Pac-12 SEC West Coast
Among the 22 Mid-Major/Minors they list such conferences as the following:
America East Big Sky Big West Coastal Athletic Ivy League Missouri Valley Patriot League Sun Belt WAC
To refer to SDSU as a "mid-major" program is to bow down to the East Coast bias that is unaware of any teams playing west of the Mississippi River. Let's not fall for that nonsense!
AzWm
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 8, 2024 13:01:02 GMT -8
When we move to 20 conference games, we can compare ourselves to the other Mid-Major conferences. Many play each conference opponent 2x, need to review the power 5 leagues. However, with more conferences playing a balanced schedule and P5 adding conference games, there will be fewer good OOC games to chase for schools like SDSU. Current Non-Power 5 leagues ASUN: 12 teams, 16 conference games ....... conference games (2.0x) Damnit, we are NOT a mid-major basketball program! SDSU is a MAJOR program, a member of a MAJOR conference. I cite as evidence Lindy's basketball preview magazine. The list the major conferences as follow:
AAC ACC ATLANTIC 10 BIG EAST BIG 12 BIG 10 MOUNTAIN WEST Pac-12 SEC West Coast
Among the 22 Mid-Major/Minors they list such conferences as the following:
America East Big Sky Big West Coastal Athletic Ivy League Missouri Valley Patriot League Sun Belt WAC
To refer to SDSU as a "mid-major" program is to bow down to the East Coast bias that is unaware of any teams playing west of the Mississippi River. Let's not fall for that nonsense!
AzWm
"We ain't no Mid-Major!!!
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Post by pitboss on Mar 10, 2024 11:31:58 GMT -8
Final KenPom IN-CONFERENCE strength of schedule for Mountain West in final season of unbalanced schedule (hardest to weakest): 1 Colorado State 2 San Jose State 3 New Mexico 4 Fresno State 5 Air Force 6 San Diego State 7 Wyoming 8 Nevada 9 Boise State 10 UNLV 11 Utah State
(1/4) FINAL Mountain West standings (listed in order of seed where records are tied):
14-4 Utah State 13-5 Nevada 13-5 Boise State 12-6 UNLV 11-7 San Diego State 10-8 New Mexico 10-8 Colorado State 8-10 Wyoming 4-14 Fresno State 2-16 San Jose State 2-16 Air Force
Probably the strongest argument for a balanced schedule in the MWC....
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