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Post by sdsuball on Feb 29, 2024 17:46:34 GMT -8
For the first time in a long time, both the Democratic and Republican candidates for president are disliked by over 50% of voters. Joe Biden is viewed favorably by 39% of voters, and 55% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/Donald Trump is viewed favorably by 44% of voters, and 51% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/Which of course begs the question: Who are voters going to vote for in November? Robert Kennedy is viewed favorably by 40% of voters, and 32% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/robert-f-kennedy/Notably, about 1 in 4 voters have not formed an opinion of him as of yet. Despite that, Robert Kennedy still has more favorability then Biden, and is merely a few percentage points away from Trump. This also begs the question, How Will the Media Cover the Election? Will Kennedy be allowed to debate alongside Biden and Trump for all of the debates? Will the mainstream media cover Kennedy, and give him media coverage, just like Biden and Trump will receive? |
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Post by aardvark on Mar 1, 2024 11:10:59 GMT -8
For the first time in a long time, both the Democratic and Republican candidates for president are disliked by over 50% of voters. Joe Biden is viewed favorably by 39% of voters, and 55% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/Donald Trump is viewed favorably by 44% of voters, and 51% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/Which of course begs the question: Who are voters going to vote for in November? Robert Kennedy is viewed favorably by 40% of voters, and 32% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/robert-f-kennedy/Notably, about 1 in 4 voters have not formed an opinion of him as of yet. Despite that, Robert Kennedy still has more favorability then Biden, and is merely a few percentage points away from Trump. This also begs the question, How Will the Media Cover the Election? Will Kennedy be allowed to debate alongside Biden and Trump for all of the debates? Will the mainstream media cover Kennedy, and give him media coverage, just like Biden and Trump will receive? Will Biden debate at all? |
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Post by azson on Mar 1, 2024 11:25:01 GMT -8
For the first time in a long time, both the Democratic and Republican candidates for president are disliked by over 50% of voters. Joe Biden is viewed favorably by 39% of voters, and 55% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/Donald Trump is viewed favorably by 44% of voters, and 51% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/Which of course begs the question: Who are voters going to vote for in November? Robert Kennedy is viewed favorably by 40% of voters, and 32% of voters view him unfavorably: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/robert-f-kennedy/Notably, about 1 in 4 voters have not formed an opinion of him as of yet. Despite that, Robert Kennedy still has more favorability then Biden, and is merely a few percentage points away from Trump. This also begs the question, How Will the Media Cover the Election? Will Kennedy be allowed to debate alongside Biden and Trump for all of the debates? Will the mainstream media cover Kennedy, and give him media coverage, just like Biden and Trump will receive? Will Biden debate at all? I think it's safe to say that a Biden/Trump debate would be the biggest $#!+show train-wreck this country has ever seen. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 2, 2024 15:24:18 GMT -8
Does anybody have an opinion on what the odds are of Trump not being in jail on election day, and if he wins, making it into office before he does go to jail?
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 2, 2024 16:10:21 GMT -8
Does anybody have an opinion on what the odds are of Trump not being in jail on election day, and if he wins, making it into office before he does go to jail? He's not going to be jail on election day. 0.0%. You could have answered this yourself by using Google. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 2, 2024 16:29:53 GMT -8
Does anybody have an opinion on what the odds are of Trump not being in jail on election day, and if he wins, making it into office before he does go to jail? He's not going to be jail on election day. 0.0%. You could have answered this yourself by using Google. I don't trust Google a lot of times. Thank you. So, if he wins, will he be able to pardon himself of all charges? |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 2, 2024 16:34:36 GMT -8
He's not going to be jail on election day. 0.0%. You could have answered this yourself by using Google. I don't trust Google a lot of times. Thank you. So, if he wins, will he be able to pardon himself if all charges? You don't trust your own ability to research things? Odd. No, he cannot pardon himself on the Georgia case, those are state charges. He wouldn't pardon himself, anyway. He would instruct DOJ to close the cases into himself and that would be that. Corrupt? Yep. Legal? Yep. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 2, 2024 16:40:48 GMT -8
I don't trust Google a lot of times. Thank you. So, if he wins, will he be able to pardon himself if all charges? You don't trust your own ability to research things? Odd. No, he cannot pardon himself on the Georgia case, those are state charges. He wouldn't pardon himself, anyway. He would instruct DOJ to close the cases into himself and that would be that. Corrupt? Yep. Legal? Yep. You just can't help yourself. You just need to throw in zingers. Not shocked. I figured if you were the one to answer, this is how you would answer it. No shock there, also. Ok. As I did Google it, there was some articles that said no he can't on the state one, and then there were some that said what you said. I wanted clarification. Why can't you take it as a compliment that I'm asking here, since I trust the knowledge here. Sheesh. Whatever. I'll just consider the source. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 2, 2024 16:43:43 GMT -8
I don't trust Google a lot of times. Thank you. So, if he wins, will he be able to pardon himself if all charges? You don't trust your own ability to research things? Odd. No, he cannot pardon himself on the Georgia case, those are state charges. He wouldn't pardon himself, anyway. He would instruct DOJ to close the cases into himself and that would be that. Corrupt? Yep. Legal? Yep. So, in closing, if Trump wins, do you think he escapes all charges and will serve his 4 year term? Is there any possibility that he will be charged with something, such as the Georgia case? |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 2, 2024 17:20:36 GMT -8
You don't trust your own ability to research things? Odd. No, he cannot pardon himself on the Georgia case, those are state charges. He wouldn't pardon himself, anyway. He would instruct DOJ to close the cases into himself and that would be that. Corrupt? Yep. Legal? Yep. You just can't help yourself. You just need to throw in zingers. Not shocked. I figured if you were the one to answer, this is how you would answer it. No shock there, also. Ok. As I did Google it, there was some articles that said no he can't on the state one, and then there were some that said what you did. I wanted clarification. Why can't you take it as a compliment that I'm asking here, since I trust the knowledge here. Sheesh. Whatever. I'll just consider the source. - The opposite party is never going to jail their political rival before an election. The optics of that in this country would be brutal. There's no pre-trial detention that would even come CLOSE to meeting the standard, before you even get to the notoriety of the individual. Seems pretty logical. - Every trial, save for the New York fraud case, is on hold after the Supreme Court granted cert last week. Oral arguments won't even be heard until April 22nd. Until that happens, nothing else will. Can't go to trial while presidential immunity hasn't been decided. If you read something that stated he can pardon himself for state crimes, it's wrong. Presidential pardons only exist for federal crimes. But like I said, he won't pardon himself, he'll just ask his DOJ to close the case. |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 2, 2024 17:22:00 GMT -8
You don't trust your own ability to research things? Odd. No, he cannot pardon himself on the Georgia case, those are state charges. He wouldn't pardon himself, anyway. He would instruct DOJ to close the cases into himself and that would be that. Corrupt? Yep. Legal? Yep. So, in closing, if Trump wins, do you think he escapes all charges and will serve his 4 year term? Is there any possibility that he will be charged with something, such as the Georgia case? He's already been charged in Georgia. Nothing stops him from holding office outside of the 14th Amendment. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 2, 2024 17:45:11 GMT -8
You just can't help yourself. You just need to throw in zingers. Not shocked. I figured if you were the one to answer, this is how you would answer it. No shock there, also. Ok. As I did Google it, there was some articles that said no he can't on the state one, and then there were some that said what you did. I wanted clarification. Why can't you take it as a compliment that I'm asking here, since I trust the knowledge here. Sheesh. Whatever. I'll just consider the source. - The opposite party is never going to jail their political rival before an election. The optics of that in this country would be brutal. There's no pre-trial detention that would even come CLOSE to meeting the standard, before you even get to the notoriety of the individual. Seems pretty logical. - Every trial, save for the New York fraud case, is on hold after the Supreme Court granted cert last week. Oral arguments won't even be heard until April 22nd. Until that happens, nothing else will. Can't go to trial while presidential immunity hasn't been decided. If you read something that stated he can pardon himself for state crimes, it's wrong. Presidential pardons only exist for federal crimes. But like I said, he won't pardon himself, he'll just ask his DOJ to close the case. Ok. Thanks. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 2, 2024 17:45:28 GMT -8
So, in closing, if Trump wins, do you think he escapes all charges and will serve his 4 year term? Is there any possibility that he will be charged with something, such as the Georgia case? He's already been charged in Georgia. Nothing stops him from holding office outside of the 14th Amendment. Thanks. |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 2, 2024 18:18:42 GMT -8
He's already been charged in Georgia. Nothing stops him from holding office outside of the 14th Amendment. Thanks. The Supreme Court granting cert was shocking. Most of the legal industry was stunned, as the idea of a president having immunity from crimes committed while in office is troubling. That changed the landscape of everything in front of us. If they rule he has immunity, he can't be charged at all and everything goes away. It also means Biden can't be prosecuted for any alleged crimes, either. Mitch McConnell blocking Merrick Garland's nomination changed our country....we just didn't know how much. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 3, 2024 12:44:55 GMT -8
Biden will not get prosecuted on his mishandling of classified documents charges because he is mentally impaired with memory issues.
Trump on the other hand is being prosecuted for various charges. He appears relatively lucid.
Who do you think the uncommitted middle is going to trust to lead this country?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 3, 2024 13:20:37 GMT -8
As I understand it, there is a Dept. of Justice policy not to prosecute a candidate in the middle of a campaign. That does not mean that prosecuation will never happen, only that the electorate must be given the right to render its verdict on the candidate in question at the ballot box. If said candidate loses the election and is convicted at trial, he must face the consequences. If he wins and is sworn in as POTUS, the trial must wait until he is out of office.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 3, 2024 13:26:05 GMT -8
As I understand it, there is a Dept. of Justice policy not to prosecute a candidate in the middle of a campaign. That does not mean that prosecuation will never happen, only that the electorate must be given the right to render its verdict on the candidate in question at the ballot box. If said candidate loses the election and is convicted at trial, he must face the consequences. If he wins and is sworn in as POTUS, the trial must wait until he is out of office.
AzWm Incorrect. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 3, 2024 14:11:38 GMT -8
As I understand it, there is a Dept. of Justice policy not to prosecute a candidate in the middle of a campaign. That does not mean that prosecuation will never happen, only that the electorate must be given the right to render its verdict on the candidate in question at the ballot box. If said candidate loses the election and is convicted at trial, he must face the consequences. If he wins and is sworn in as POTUS, the trial must wait until he is out of office.
AzWm In a nutshell, (from how Ryan described it) unless I have this wrong, if Trump is elected he can be absolved from all crimes by using various tactics. This is without getting deep into it. Read Ryan's response to me in this thread for further clarification. |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 3, 2024 14:17:56 GMT -8
As I understand it, there is a Dept. of Justice policy not to prosecute a candidate in the middle of a campaign. That does not mean that prosecuation will never happen, only that the electorate must be given the right to render its verdict on the candidate in question at the ballot box. If said candidate loses the election and is convicted at trial, he must face the consequences. If he wins and is sworn in as POTUS, the trial must wait until he is out of office.
AzWm In a nutshell, (from how Ryan described it) unless I have this wrong, if Trump is elected he can be absolved from all crimes by using various tactics. This is without getting deep into it. Read Ryan's response to me in this thread for further clarification. There is no rule that prohibits DOJ from doing anything, especially after an indictment has already been issued. They can take further steps within that 60 day window if they choose. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 4, 2024 13:09:04 GMT -8
In a nutshell, (from how Ryan described it) unless I have this wrong, if Trump is elected he can be absolved from all crimes by using various tactics. This is without getting deep into it. Read Ryan's response to me in this thread for further clarification. There is no rule that prohibits DOJ from doing anything, especially after an indictment has already been issued. They can take further steps within that 60 day window if they choose.
www.snopes.com/news/2022/09/22/doj-dilemma-prosecuting-politicians-before-election/
I would like to point out that whatever the DOJ does, it will be criticized by about one-half the U.S. population. I am being very moderate when I use the term "criticized". Unfortunately, the situation that faces the nation this November is fraught with very real dangers. As much as partisans were upset by losing elections prior to 2016, they eventually dealt with the results. I do not know whether that will be the case this year.
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