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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 13:35:43 GMT -8
They don't have to make *that* move if they don't want to. I'd rather have Bauer on our roster then Marcano. Bauer is a better player, and didn't screw up as bad as Marcano. Still time to delete this s#!++y take. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 14:12:34 GMT -8
I wouldn't put Morejon on him, dude's been injury riddled, pitching prospects are kind of a roll of the dice with in that sense. Jorge Ona also cannot stay healthy, he looked good when he was healthy a few years ago. It's way to soon to look at 2021 and 2022 prospects. Luis Patiño could still put it together, he's only 24. Tucupita Marcano's gambling issues make him look like a horrible signing now. But yeah, there are a ton of misses and/or marginal big league players in that group. You're right that injuries can't be completely dumped on the GM but he DID choose them. Morejon signed 8 years ago and we're finally getting something from him. And that's assuming he doesn't get hurt yet again. It reminds me of all those many many years where the Padres had really high regular draft picks but just kept swinging and missing. Drafting US kids after High School and even younger signings Internationally is such a risk. There are so many things that can go wrong. Patino has either been injured or pitched badly for the last 8 years. And now he has to come back from Tommy John surgery. He's pitched for three different MLB teams and his ERA is over 5.00. He was signed as a 16 year old for $130,000. Ignoring the fact there was a global pandemic in the middle of his developmental cycle that stunted development while he was traded to a new organization for the first time is...odd. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 14:13:27 GMT -8
They don't have to make *that* move if they don't want to. I'd rather have Bauer on our roster then Marcano. Bauer is a better player, and didn't screw up as bad as Marcano. Trevor Bauer is done as a big league pitcher. Move. On. |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 3, 2024 14:23:28 GMT -8
There could soon be an opening on the 40-man roster. They don't have to make *that* move if they don't want to. Then they can have an open spot on the 40-man. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 14:25:52 GMT -8
They don't have to make *that* move if they don't want to. Then they can have an open spot on the 40-man. They can easily shift Musgrove to the 60 day or Otto to the 60 day. Putting Marcano on the restricted list does open up a spot, yes. |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 3, 2024 14:36:22 GMT -8
I'd rather have Bauer on our roster then Marcano. Bauer is a better player, and didn't screw up as bad as Marcano. Trevor Bauer is done as a big league pitcher. Move. On. But...he's having a FANATASTIC season. In. Mexico. And the owner of the Mexico City Red Devils is (or at least, was) a minority owner of the Padres. Bauer is so close!! And Bauer can just stay in Mexico. |
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Post by docmm on Jun 3, 2024 17:15:05 GMT -8
Do you still think Adrian Morejon was worth $11,000,000? How about Jorge Ona for $7,000,000. Here's more International signings from 2016: Luis Almanzar, Gabriel Arias, Jeisson Rosario, Jordy Barley, Justin Lopez and Tirso Ornelas were signed for a collective $7,050,000. See a lot of all-stars there? How about those stellar Major Leaguers Tucupita Marcano and Luis Patino? And who could ever forget other high end signees:Andres Munoz, Emmanuel Class and Michael Baez? Let's try 2017: Do these Top 6 names ring a bell? Manuel Partida, Frank Lopez, Yelson Santana, Nick Rios, Jason Santan and Luis Paez. Was 2018 any different? Charlie Aquino, Euribel Angeles, Albert Fabian, Wilmert Paula, Reginald Dowston, Axcel Peralta, Emmanuel Rodruigez, Jose Velez, Justin Diaz, Edwin Rojas, Addison Moreno. Alex Ramirez, Nerwilliam Cedeno, Wilfredo Tovar, Eduardo Hidalgo, Victor Duarte and Jairo Iriarte. 17 signings 17 misses. 2019 MUST have been a good year though huh? How about $5,000,000 for Ismael Pena, Brayan Medina, Reginald Preciado and Luis Gutierrez? What about 2020-21's top 12 signings? Victor Acosta, Victor Lizarraga, Samuel Zavala, Daniel Montesinos, Bradley Rodriguez, Evan Sweeting, Ariel Moreno, Eddy Beltre, Javier Chacon, Heber Villalobos, Jonny Roario, Alejandro Hernandez. Sorry but that's a perfect Ofer 12. Let's try 2022's top 20:Jarlin Susana, Yendry Rojas, Rosman Verdugo, Braian Salazar, Juan Murillo, Maikol Munoz, Estuar Suero, Oliver Cedeno, Alain Camoi, Eizon Delgado, Rafael Nava, Kashon Conliffe, Emmanuel Pinales, Aldo Leija, Wilmer Ramirez, Jefren Tejada, Angel Graza, Francis Pena, Estiven Giron and Xavier Ruiz. Not sure how well-versed you are in the lower Minor leagues of the Padres but I've never heard of any of these 20 names. I'll stop there and give this next couple batches a few years to develop but I'm not holding my breath. Please, in your infinite and historical Padre wisdom give me some names to counter these. And when Preller did manage to foist somebody from those signings onto someone, they rarely turned out to be viable Major Leaguers. AJ has made some good regular trades but International signings on his watch have not been good. AT ALL! It's almost statistically impossible to miss on that many kids, but he did. . If Morejon turns into what he is now? Hell yeah I think that's a worthwhile investment, even if it took injuries and time to get there. He's still just 25. Oña was plagued by injuries, specifically shoulder injuries and his body just betrayed him. It happens. What you're talking about is the hardest part of the sport, you're betting on international teenagers who are verbally agreeing to deals when they are 12 and 13 years old. The natural attrition of the sport is hard enough on its own. That 2016 class, comprehensively, for what they spent under the previous rule system, yeah, it wasn't great. You typically sign 30-40 players per class to fill out DSL rosters since you're now limited to 165 players on domestic rosters under the new CBA. Some of the deals are for less than $10,000. The expectation is the majority will bust, so I guess in that regard, you may have a point. It really depends on the lens you view it through. Hard to tell if you're being serious with some of the names, but guys like Andres Muñoz and Emmanuel Clase are two of the better relievers in baseball. Muñoz blew out his elbow prior to being traded and Clase was perhaps the worst trade Preller has made to date. Other guys on that list were used to trade for Darvish, Soto, Musgrove, Snell, Cease and many others. I'm very well-versed, I covered the farm system for two years doing daily recaps for the top Padre minor league website around and I watch all of the minor league games pretty much daily. The Padres signed the consensus number one player in the last two classes and that's pretty much unheard of in the new signing bonus pool era. Guys like Francis Peña (recently sent to Double-A) and Pinales (one of the breakouts in the system this year) are guys I would keep an eye on. Bradgley Rodriguez, too. You almost have to separate the two eras because they are completely different now that the minors have been restructured and the bonus pool system has been instituted. The Padres traded for Tatis before he ever played a game in the minors. They nearly signed Soto as an amateur. Those departments have done good work. I almost fainted and then of course, I read what immediately followed. I should have known better than to anticipate a full acknowledgement of a point. |
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Post by docmm on Jun 3, 2024 17:17:44 GMT -8
You're right that injuries can't be completely dumped on the GM but he DID choose them. Morejon signed 8 years ago and we're finally getting something from him. And that's assuming he doesn't get hurt yet again. It reminds me of all those many many years where the Padres had really high regular draft picks but just kept swinging and missing. Drafting US kids after High School and even younger signings Internationally is such a risk. There are so many things that can go wrong. Patino has either been injured or pitched badly for the last 8 years. And now he has to come back from Tommy John surgery. He's pitched for three different MLB teams and his ERA is over 5.00. He was signed as a 16 year old for $130,000. Ignoring the fact there was a global pandemic in the middle of his developmental cycle that stunted development while he was traded to a new organization for the first time is...odd. Sorry, I forgot to realize that everything must be looked through a co-vid lens before jumping to conclusions. My bad. I mean, my "odd" bad. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 17:44:18 GMT -8
If Morejon turns into what he is now? Hell yeah I think that's a worthwhile investment, even if it took injuries and time to get there. He's still just 25. Oña was plagued by injuries, specifically shoulder injuries and his body just betrayed him. It happens. What you're talking about is the hardest part of the sport, you're betting on international teenagers who are verbally agreeing to deals when they are 12 and 13 years old. The natural attrition of the sport is hard enough on its own. That 2016 class, comprehensively, for what they spent under the previous rule system, yeah, it wasn't great. You typically sign 30-40 players per class to fill out DSL rosters since you're now limited to 165 players on domestic rosters under the new CBA. Some of the deals are for less than $10,000. The expectation is the majority will bust, so I guess in that regard, you may have a point. It really depends on the lens you view it through. Hard to tell if you're being serious with some of the names, but guys like Andres Muñoz and Emmanuel Clase are two of the better relievers in baseball. Muñoz blew out his elbow prior to being traded and Clase was perhaps the worst trade Preller has made to date. Other guys on that list were used to trade for Darvish, Soto, Musgrove, Snell, Cease and many others. I'm very well-versed, I covered the farm system for two years doing daily recaps for the top Padre minor league website around and I watch all of the minor league games pretty much daily. The Padres signed the consensus number one player in the last two classes and that's pretty much unheard of in the new signing bonus pool era. Guys like Francis Peña (recently sent to Double-A) and Pinales (one of the breakouts in the system this year) are guys I would keep an eye on. Bradgley Rodriguez, too. You almost have to separate the two eras because they are completely different now that the minors have been restructured and the bonus pool system has been instituted. The Padres traded for Tatis before he ever played a game in the minors. They nearly signed Soto as an amateur. Those departments have done good work. I almost fainted and then of course, I read what immediately followed. I should have known better than to anticipate a full acknowledgement of a point. It's just not as simple as "they've missed more than they've hit." Sheer numbers dictate that, you're not going to have a positive success rate with the volume of players being signed. It's about turning a handful of them into major league assets whenever you can. The amount of talent they've been able to acquire because of their scouting acumen is considerable. Chris Kemp does a great job, he now runs both the domestic and international scouting departments. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 17:47:43 GMT -8
He was signed as a 16 year old for $130,000. Ignoring the fact there was a global pandemic in the middle of his developmental cycle that stunted development while he was traded to a new organization for the first time is...odd. Sorry, I forgot to realize that everything must be looked through a co-vid lens before jumping to conclusions. My bad. I mean, my "odd" bad. Well the statement he's pitched poorly for "eight years" is just false. Him and Gore were heading a very good rotation in Fort Wayne in 2019. Then he was traded for Blake Snell the following year. Ask any evaluator - The quality of play overall post-pandemic has dropped significantly. It's sloppier, inconsistent baseball just due to a number of factors that were aggravated by the pandemic and cost-cutting measures. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2024 17:52:03 GMT -8
If Morejon turns into what he is now? Hell yeah I think that's a worthwhile investment, even if it took injuries and time to get there. He's still just 25. Oña was plagued by injuries, specifically shoulder injuries and his body just betrayed him. It happens. What you're talking about is the hardest part of the sport, you're betting on international teenagers who are verbally agreeing to deals when they are 12 and 13 years old. The natural attrition of the sport is hard enough on its own. That 2016 class, comprehensively, for what they spent under the previous rule system, yeah, it wasn't great. You typically sign 30-40 players per class to fill out DSL rosters since you're now limited to 165 players on domestic rosters under the new CBA. Some of the deals are for less than $10,000. The expectation is the majority will bust, so I guess in that regard, you may have a point. It really depends on the lens you view it through. Hard to tell if you're being serious with some of the names, but guys like Andres Muñoz and Emmanuel Clase are two of the better relievers in baseball. Muñoz blew out his elbow prior to being traded and Clase was perhaps the worst trade Preller has made to date. Other guys on that list were used to trade for Darvish, Soto, Musgrove, Snell, Cease and many others. I'm very well-versed, I covered the farm system for two years doing daily recaps for the top Padre minor league website around and I watch all of the minor league games pretty much daily. The Padres signed the consensus number one player in the last two classes and that's pretty much unheard of in the new signing bonus pool era. Guys like Francis Peña (recently sent to Double-A) and Pinales (one of the breakouts in the system this year) are guys I would keep an eye on. Bradgley Rodriguez, too. You almost have to separate the two eras because they are completely different now that the minors have been restructured and the bonus pool system has been instituted. The Padres traded for Tatis before he ever played a game in the minors. They nearly signed Soto as an amateur. Those departments have done good work. I almost fainted and then of course, I read what immediately followed. I should have known better than to anticipate a full acknowledgement of a point. Lol. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2024 17:56:54 GMT -8
One thing I wanted to add and I don't think was touched on, was how well King pitched. Excellent game by him.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 18:04:01 GMT -8
I almost fainted and then of course, I read what immediately followed. I should have known better than to anticipate a full acknowledgement of a point. Lol. You dropped your low hanging fruit. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 18:22:22 GMT -8
Offense looks very, very predictably flat across a contact-oriented lefty.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 19:14:48 GMT -8
That's five consecutive outings for Matt Waldron with two earned runs or less.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2024 19:17:09 GMT -8
Two observations. Matt Waldron is our best, most consistent pitcher at the moment. Kim is really starting to make good contact and getting on base. Great to see.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2024 19:35:35 GMT -8
Top of the order. Gotta get it done this inning.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2024 19:50:47 GMT -8
Shildt strikes again....and this time, nobody can blame Kolek.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 3, 2024 20:00:13 GMT -8
It would have been nice to have Arraez in the lineup tonight, and it would have been nice to have had better pitcher selection out of the bullpen over the weekend, which adds up to a quick 2-game losing streak.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2024 20:04:32 GMT -8
Arraez not in the lineup, hurts. Let's get tomorrow's game.
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