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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2024 20:32:36 GMT -8
Looks like a real Bummer coming in… Padres 3–0 Keep rackin' em up. King's gonna K9 'em tonight - and he just blew through that. The Kevin Brown stats (16K) in 1998. I'd forgotten about that one. He carried the team. This team has a better bullpen then in 98 - and better starting pitching. Brown, Ashby, Hitchcock, Hamilton vs. King, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish - close but I like our depth more, even though Brown was unhittable in 98. Hoffman, Wall, Miceli, Sanders, Boehringer vs. Suarez, Scott, Adam, Estrada, Morejon.... and then even Hoeing and Matsui, an embarrassment of riches. If any game goes into extra innings, undoubtedly it favors us. We have such incredible bullpen depth. I would say that the lineup is of similar strength to 98: Gwynn, Vaughn, Finley, Caminiti, Hernandez, Joyner, Veras, Gomez vs. Tatis, Profar, Merrill, Machado, Higgy, Arraez, Cronenworth, Bogaerts This offense is the best in team history by WAR. |
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Post by aardvark on Oct 1, 2024 20:36:00 GMT -8
Have the Padres ever led MLB in batting average as a team?
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Post by aardvark on Oct 1, 2024 20:36:45 GMT -8
King should get a nice raise before next season.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2024 20:39:02 GMT -8
King should get a nice raise before next season. Projected at $7.9M. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 1, 2024 20:40:08 GMT -8
This team has a better bullpen then in 98 - and better starting pitching. Brown, Ashby, Hitchcock, Hamilton vs. King, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish - close but I like our depth more, even though Brown was unhittable in 98. Hoffman, Wall, Miceli, Sanders, Boehringer vs. Suarez, Scott, Adam, Estrada, Morejon.... and then even Hoeing and Matsui, an embarrassment of riches. If any game goes into extra innings, undoubtedly it favors us. We have such incredible bullpen depth. I would say that the lineup is of similar strength to 98: Gwynn, Vaughn, Finley, Caminiti, Hernandez, Joyner, Veras, Gomez vs. Tatis, Profar, Merrill, Machado, Higgy, Arraez, Cronenworth, Bogaerts This offense is the best in team history by WAR. No it's not - it's about dead even with the 98 team. 24.5 oWAR in 98' vs. 24.3 oWAR in 24' In 98' we had -6.3 dWAR vs. 24' -2.7 dWAR. So in reality, while our pitching has been great this year, it's also aided by our better defense compared to 98'. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 1, 2024 20:47:49 GMT -8
Looks like a real Bummer coming in… Padres 3–0 Keep rackin' em up. King's gonna K9 'em tonight - and he just blew through that. The Kevin Brown stats (16K) in 1998. I'd forgotten about that one. He carried the team. This team has a better bullpen then in 98 - and better starting pitching. Brown, Ashby, Hitchcock, Hamilton vs. King, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish - close but I like our depth more, even though Brown was unhittable in 98. Hoffman, Wall, Miceli, Sanders, Boehringer vs. Suarez, Scott, Adam, Estrada, Morejon.... and then even Hoeing and Matsui, an embarrassment of riches. If any game goes into extra innings, undoubtedly it favors us. We have such incredible bullpen depth. I would say that the lineup is of similar strength to 98: Gwynn, Vaughn, Finley, Caminiti, Hernandez, Joyner, Veras, Gomez vs. Tatis, Profar, Merrill, Machado, Higgy, Arraez, Cronenworth, Bogaerts The pitching depth on this team is tremendous. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2024 20:48:54 GMT -8
This offense is the best in team history by WAR. No it's not - it's about dead even with the 98 team. 24.5 oWAR in 98' vs. 24.3 oWAR in 24' In 98' we had -6.3 dWAR vs. 24' -2.7 dWAR. So in reality, while our pitching has been great this year, it's also aided by our better defense compared to 98'. Not sure where you're pulling numbers from, but it's not really that close. This is the most team WAR in franchise history, surpassing last year. The 1998 offense put up a 99 wRC+. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 1, 2024 21:24:41 GMT -8
No it's not - it's about dead even with the 98 team. 24.5 oWAR in 98' vs. 24.3 oWAR in 24' In 98' we had -6.3 dWAR vs. 24' -2.7 dWAR. So in reality, while our pitching has been great this year, it's also aided by our better defense compared to 98'. Not sure where you're pulling numbers from, but it's not really that close. This is the most team WAR in franchise history, surpassing last year. The 1998 offense put up a 99 wRC+. if you are going to use wRC+ to normalize for the era, and use that as an argument for why the 24' offense is better then the 98' offense, then do the same for the 98' pitching - normalize it for the era. It just makes what Kevin Brown did in 98' look even more impressive. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2024 22:18:33 GMT -8
Not sure where you're pulling numbers from, but it's not really that close. This is the most team WAR in franchise history, surpassing last year. The 1998 offense put up a 99 wRC+. if you are going to use wRC+ to normalize for the era, and use that as an argument for why the 24' offense is better then the 98' offense, then do the same for the 98' pitching - normalize it for the era. It just makes what Kevin Brown did in 98' look even more impressive. I don't use bWAR at all, the measurements are inconsistent and I don't like using RA/9 over FIP, personally. The 2024 offense is the best in franchise history, which was my original point. Pitching is much harder to compare holistically. |
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Post by Lloyd on Oct 2, 2024 8:06:44 GMT -8
King should get a nice raise before next season. Also, whatever the Padres are paying Ruben Niebla is not enough.  |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 2, 2024 8:08:04 GMT -8
King should get a nice raise before next season. Also, whatever the Padres are paying Ruben Niebla is not enough. And, the hitting coach. |
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Post by junior on Oct 2, 2024 10:00:45 GMT -8
Looks like a real Bummer coming in… Padres 3–0 Keep rackin' em up. King's gonna K9 'em tonight - and he just blew through that. The Kevin Brown stats (16K) in 1998. I'd forgotten about that one. He carried the team. This team has a better bullpen then in 98 - and better starting pitching. Brown, Ashby, Hitchcock, Hamilton vs. King, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish - close but I like our depth more, even though Brown was unhittable in 98. Hoffman, Wall, Miceli, Sanders, Boehringer vs. Suarez, Scott, Adam, Estrada, Morejon.... and then even Hoeing and Matsui, an embarrassment of riches. If any game goes into extra innings, undoubtedly it favors us. We have such incredible bullpen depth. I would say that the lineup is of similar strength to 98: Gwynn, Vaughn, Finley, Caminiti, Hernandez, Joyner, Veras, Gomez vs. Tatis, Profar, Merrill, Machado, Higgy, Arraez, Cronenworth, Bogaerts Gwynn <-> Tatis, Vaughn <-> Profar, Finley <-> Merrill, Cammy <-> Manny, Wally J <-> Croney. They are all pretty similar in terms of team contributions offensively and defensively. X is better than Q overall, but Q had more speed. (even though Q played 2nd) Chris Gomez (SS) was maybe the weak link if there was one - he was a better fielder than Arraez, but not a better hitter. Catcher? That one's a toss up, though Higgy's got more power. So from what I recall yes, an overall pretty similar pair of teams. However, as you mentioned, pitching for this year's team is definitely better. Though I'd take Hoffman in a second. As mentioned, Brown was on another level. That 16 strike game came against Houston - with The Big Unit on the mound for them that game. 2-1 Padres. He quickly disappeared for greener pastures up the freeway once the season was over. The first of many Dodger financial victories over the Padres ($105 million contract). The bonus is that there is no team in the AL that even comes close to the 98 Yankees this year. So all the Padres have to do is win one more in this series, Beat LA next, and keep grinding forward. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 2, 2024 10:24:27 GMT -8
This team has a better bullpen then in 98 - and better starting pitching. Brown, Ashby, Hitchcock, Hamilton vs. King, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish - close but I like our depth more, even though Brown was unhittable in 98. Hoffman, Wall, Miceli, Sanders, Boehringer vs. Suarez, Scott, Adam, Estrada, Morejon.... and then even Hoeing and Matsui, an embarrassment of riches. If any game goes into extra innings, undoubtedly it favors us. We have such incredible bullpen depth. I would say that the lineup is of similar strength to 98: Gwynn, Vaughn, Finley, Caminiti, Hernandez, Joyner, Veras, Gomez vs. Tatis, Profar, Merrill, Machado, Higgy, Arraez, Cronenworth, Bogaerts Gwynn <-> Tatis, Vaughn <-> Profar, Finley <-> Merrill, Cammy <-> Manny, Wally J <-> Croney. They are all pretty similar in terms of team contributions offensively and defensively. X is better than Q overall, but Q had more speed. (even though Q played 2nd) Chris Gomez (SS) was maybe the weak link if there was one - he was a better fielder than Arraez, but not a better hitter. Catcher? That one's a toss up, though Higgy's got more power. So from what I recall yes, an overall pretty similar pair of teams. However, as you mentioned, pitching for this year's team is definitely better. Though I'd take Hoffman in a second. As mentioned, Brown was on another level. That 16 strike game came against Houston - with The Big Unit on the mound for them that game. 2-1 Padres. He quickly disappeared for greener pastures up the freeway once the season was over. The first of many Dodger financial victories over the Padres ($105 million contract). The bonus is that there is no team in the AL that even comes close to the 98 Yankees this year. So all the Padres have to do is win one more in this series, Beat LA next, and keep grinding forward. Yes, although the Padres should have won 1 or 2 of those games against the Yankees. Can't believe they lost game 1 in that fashion. The two best teams in MLB are LA and SD. Tigers and Yanks are tough, but they aren't as good as the 98' Yankees. We went 43-20 after the all star break - that's a 110 win pace if you extrapolate it to 162 games. That's championship baseball, and the best mark in MLB (Dodgers second at 42-23). |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 2, 2024 10:34:15 GMT -8
Gwynn <-> Tatis, Vaughn <-> Profar, Finley <-> Merrill, Cammy <-> Manny, Wally J <-> Croney. They are all pretty similar in terms of team contributions offensively and defensively. X is better than Q overall, but Q had more speed. (even though Q played 2nd) Chris Gomez (SS) was maybe the weak link if there was one - he was a better fielder than Arraez, but not a better hitter. Catcher? That one's a toss up, though Higgy's got more power. So from what I recall yes, an overall pretty similar pair of teams. However, as you mentioned, pitching for this year's team is definitely better. Though I'd take Hoffman in a second. As mentioned, Brown was on another level. That 16 strike game came against Houston - with The Big Unit on the mound for them that game. 2-1 Padres. He quickly disappeared for greener pastures up the freeway once the season was over. The first of many Dodger financial victories over the Padres ($105 million contract). The bonus is that there is no team in the AL that even comes close to the 98 Yankees this year. So all the Padres have to do is win one more in this series, Beat LA next, and keep grinding forward. Yes, although the Padres should have won 1 or 2 of those games against the Yankees. Can't believe they lost game 1 in that fashion. The two best teams in MLB are LA and SD. Tigers and Yanks are tough, but they aren't as good as the 98' Yankees. We went 43-20 after the all star break - that's a 110 win pace if you extrapolate it to 162 games. That's championship baseball, and the best mark in MLB (Dodgers second at 42-23). The Phillies are the best team in baseball. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 2, 2024 10:46:41 GMT -8
Yes, although the Padres should have won 1 or 2 of those games against the Yankees. Can't believe they lost game 1 in that fashion. The two best teams in MLB are LA and SD. Tigers and Yanks are tough, but they aren't as good as the 98' Yankees. We went 43-20 after the all star break - that's a 110 win pace if you extrapolate it to 162 games. That's championship baseball, and the best mark in MLB (Dodgers second at 42-23). The Phillies are the best team in baseball. *Best team before the All Star Break: Phillies had a 62-34 record before the All-Star Game, 33-33 after the all-star break. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 2, 2024 10:48:49 GMT -8
The Phillies are the best team in baseball. *Best team before the All Star Break: Phillies had a 62-34 record before the All-Star Game, 33-33 after the all-star break. They are still the best team right now. |
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Post by azson on Oct 2, 2024 12:01:53 GMT -8
Looks like a real Bummer coming in… Padres 3–0 Keep rackin' em up. King's gonna K9 'em tonight - and he just blew through that. The Kevin Brown stats (16K) in 1998. I'd forgotten about that one. He carried the team. This team has a better bullpen then in 98 - and better starting pitching. Brown, Ashby, Hitchcock, Hamilton vs. King, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish - close but I like our depth more, even though Brown was unhittable in 98. Hoffman, Wall, Miceli, Sanders, Boehringer vs. Suarez, Scott, Adam, Estrada, Morejon.... and then even Hoeing and Matsui, an embarrassment of riches. If any game goes into extra innings, undoubtedly it favors us. We have such incredible bullpen depth. I would say that the lineup is of similar strength to 98: Gwynn, Vaughn, Finley, Caminiti, Hernandez, Joyner, Veras, Gomez vs. Tatis, Profar, Merrill, Machado, Higgy, Arraez, Cronenworth, Bogaerts Both teams comparable on all fronts. The big difference between 98 (and 84) is there's no historically great AL team waiting this year, so if Pads make it to the WS I like their chances. |
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Post by azson on Oct 2, 2024 15:20:16 GMT -8
*Best team before the All Star Break: Phillies had a 62-34 record before the All-Star Game, 33-33 after the all-star break. They are still the best team right now. I predict the Mets give them a run for their $. |
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Post by junior on Oct 2, 2024 15:28:35 GMT -8
Houston Cheaters are out of the post season thanks to Hader's theatrics - and the blown game of a lifetime.
$95M.
Houston hater, yes. Hader hater, no.
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Post by azson on Oct 2, 2024 15:45:34 GMT -8
Houston Cheaters are out of the post season thanks to Hader's theatrics - and the blown game of a lifetime. $95M.Houston hater, yes. Hader hater, no. More than the entire Tigers' playoff roster combined  |
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