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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 14:18:31 GMT -8
I'm not a sky is falling person. Team will control its own destiny. If you really think that that's going to be what makes the difference,..I promise you, it's not. Pretty simple: If the starting pitching can't hold and you get nothing out of your best player offensively....you're not going to win. Baseball can change on a dime. You can't say that it's only starting pitching and Profar hitting that will cause us to win. Profar hasn't "hit" for 6 weeks and they've been ok. The starting pitching can pitch well but we can still lose 3-2 or 4-3 games because the bottom of our lineup doesn't hit when they need to do so. Don't talk in such absolutes, you're too smart to do that. I was talking about Tatis up there, not Profar. He's the best player on the roster when he's healthy. It's a star-driven game, your stars need to be stars. Blaming the bottom of the lineup that's carried the team throughout a large chunk of the year is certainly a choice. Higashioka, career high in home runs. Merrill? Kim? I don't care about the McCoy hysteria, personally. He's not supposed to be playing as it is.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 14:24:33 GMT -8
And still, no. If you go strictly by offense, it's Profar. If you go by total WAR, it's Merrill. But 140 games doesn't erase that Tatis has put up far better seasons than Merrill has already. His rookie year would have smashed Merrill's if he had played a whole season. Tatis is a top ten player in the game right now when he's healthy. He's still playing on one leg right now. I love Profar and watching him have a career year at this stage of his life has been exciting and very enjoyable. However, I know you're a stat guy and I know he continues to have very high on-base percentag e but it's only because of his Walks and HBPs. He hit .196 for the entire month of August and .181 so far for September. It's crazy that he's still batting 3rd in the lineup. You need him to drive guys in, not just get on base and he's not doing that very often with Walks and HBPs. He should be at the bottom of the order so he can be on base when the top of the order comes up. I'd put Merrill up there to give a L-R-L-R start at the top of the order. It would also give Merrill an extra plate appearance now and then. Shildt needs to move guys around if this continues. I'm going to side with the guy managing the 81-64 team over a person trying to use five games worth of AB's to justify any kind of decision, personally. You had the same argument against Cronenworth, who has hit third most of the season and has done well in that slot. There are 17 games left, there's no "moving guys around" at this point, barring more injuries.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 9, 2024 14:28:37 GMT -8
Baseball can change on a dime. You can't say that it's only starting pitching and Profar hitting that will cause us to win. Profar hasn't "hit" for 6 weeks and they've been ok. The starting pitching can pitch well but we can still lose 3-2 or 4-3 games because the bottom of our lineup doesn't hit when they need to do so. Don't talk in such absolutes, you're too smart to do that. I was talking about Tatis up there, not Profar. He's the best player on the roster when he's healthy. It's a star-driven game, your stars need to be stars. Blaming the bottom of the lineup that's carried the team throughout a large chunk of the year is certainly a choice. Higashioka, career high in home runs. Merrill? Kim? I don't care about the McCoy hysteria, personally. He's not supposed to be playing as it is. McCoy *shouldn't* be playing. It's not just stats. He has no confidence in his at-bats that lead you to believe he will start hitting. Oh and any center fielder who is average defensively but hits .290/.499/.821 is elite - getting that type of production from CF is Mike Trout territory.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 14:34:32 GMT -8
I know you're being sarcastic here...or at least I hope you are. Kim still hasn't been able to recover from throwing across the field to first base without discomfort. That's why they are considering moving Bogaerts to shortstop, with the additional flexibility they have to move guys around in the infield. Glad it's an off day today. You're not finishing the thought in bold. The reason they're considering moving Bogaerts to short is that McCoy can't hit. At all! He's 0-13 in his last 5 games. He's been a black hole at the #9 slot, you know, the bad-player slot you said every team has. You've been assuring us that his glove is so good the team would continue to roll with him. Well I'm sure the rest of the team hates that they have no faith in him at the plate and are tired of it too, like everybody else is except maybe you. Bogaerts must be pretty tired of him because it hasn't been that long ago when he said he wanted to stay at 2nd while Kim was gone. Not sure how much difference there will be in SS defense now although 1B defense will definitely be worse with Cronenworth at 2B. But I think/hope the added offense can make up the difference. Since you're skeptical here: Johan Rojas, who hits ninth for the Phillies, the best team in the NL, has a 68 wRC+ this season, in 328 plate appearances. Chris Taylor, who is hitting ninth for the Dodgers today, has a 62 wRC+ for the season, in 217 plate appearances. Alex Verdugo, hitting ninth for the Yankees today, has an 84 wRC+, which is actually on the high end of the spectrum. With rare exceptions, most teams have a nine hitter that is just there for the glove. If the playoffs hinge on the nine hitter, you've got much bigger issues up front.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 14:35:38 GMT -8
I was talking about Tatis up there, not Profar. He's the best player on the roster when he's healthy. It's a star-driven game, your stars need to be stars. Blaming the bottom of the lineup that's carried the team throughout a large chunk of the year is certainly a choice. Higashioka, career high in home runs. Merrill? Kim? I don't care about the McCoy hysteria, personally. He's not supposed to be playing as it is. McCoy *shouldn't* be playing. It's not just stats. He has no confidence in his at-bats that lead you to believe he will start hitting. Oh and any center fielder who is average defensively but hits .290/.499/.821 is elite - getting that type of production from CF is Mike Trout territory. Check out what Mike Trout did as a rookie. .326/.399/.564. What you meant to say was .290/.322/.499....which isn't in the same atmosphere. Trout, lifetime, despite having his career wrecked by injuries; .299/.410/.581, so no, not even really close.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 14:55:53 GMT -8
I'm saying that he's currently the best player in our team, due to his performance right now. I understand that Tatis is most likely the player player overall on the team once he gets back up to speed, but Merrill is our MVP this year. Doesn't matter. The argument was who the better player is... that's Tatis, until Merrill sustains success. Sophomore slumps are a real thing, ask the guy who won the award last year. Merrill is the best performing player, overall for this year only, on the team right now, but I agree that Tatis is the best overall player in terms of career performance. And yes, I know all about the potential sophomore slumps.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 14:57:39 GMT -8
Doesn't matter. The argument was who the better player is... that's Tatis, until Merrill sustains success. Sophomore slumps are a real thing, ask the guy who won the award last year. Merrill is the best performing player, overall for this year only, on the team right now, but I agree that Tatis is the best overall player in terms of career performance. And yes, I know all about the potential sophomore slumps. Cool. I'm not into the "right now" argument. It dillutes all the stuff Merrill hasn't even begun to achieve yet. If he can do this for a few more years, hopefully lowering his chase rate along the way, we'll see.
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Post by docmm on Sept 9, 2024 15:40:48 GMT -8
I love Profar and watching him have a career year at this stage of his life has been exciting and very enjoyable. However, I know you're a stat guy and I know he continues to have very high on-base percentag e but it's only because of his Walks and HBPs. He hit .196 for the entire month of August and .181 so far for September. It's crazy that he's still batting 3rd in the lineup. You need him to drive guys in, not just get on base and he's not doing that very often with Walks and HBPs. He should be at the bottom of the order so he can be on base when the top of the order comes up. I'd put Merrill up there to give a L-R-L-R start at the top of the order. It would also give Merrill an extra plate appearance now and then. Shildt needs to move guys around if this continues. I'm going to side with the guy managing the 81-64 team over a person trying to use five games worth of AB's to justify any kind of decision, personally. You had the same argument against Cronenworth, who has hit third most of the season and has done well in that slot. There are 17 games left, there's no "moving guys around" at this point, barring more injuries.There you go talking absolutes again Ryan. I hope it doesn't happen but if the Wild Card race keeps getting closer and closer and suddenly there's a possibility that we could end up 4th, you can bet Shildt will start "moving guys around" if Profar continues to hit .181. And BTW, I wasn't using just those 0-13 stats from the last 5 games to make my point about McCoy, he's hit .139 for the last 13 games.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 15:47:27 GMT -8
I'm going to side with the guy managing the 81-64 team over a person trying to use five games worth of AB's to justify any kind of decision, personally. You had the same argument against Cronenworth, who has hit third most of the season and has done well in that slot. There are 17 games left, there's no "moving guys around" at this point, barring more injuries.There you go talking absolutes again Ryan. I hope it doesn't happen but if the Wild Card race keeps getting closer and closer and suddenly there's a possibility that we could end up 4th, you can bet Shildt will start "moving guys around" if Profar continues to hit .181. And BTW, I wasn't using just those 0-13 stats from the last 5 games to make my point about McCoy, he's hit .139 for the last 13 games. That doesn't strengthen your argument. You're talking about 57 plate appearances in totality.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 9, 2024 17:05:05 GMT -8
Braves lose 1-0.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 9, 2024 17:09:08 GMT -8
Mets losing 2-1 in the bottom of 7.
Toronto still batting.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 17:21:08 GMT -8
The Jays throwing a guy the Padres traded for cash in a 2-1 game is.....something.
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Post by docmm on Sept 9, 2024 19:42:05 GMT -8
There you go talking absolutes again Ryan. I hope it doesn't happen but if the Wild Card race keeps getting closer and closer and suddenly there's a possibility that we could end up 4th, you can bet Shildt will start "moving guys around" if Profar continues to hit .181. And BTW, I wasn't using just those 0-13 stats from the last 5 games to make my point about McCoy, he's hit .139 for the last 13 games. That doesn't strengthen your argument. You're talking about 57 plate appearances in totality. You're mixing up the arguments Ryan. I'm talking about "moving guys around". I'm referring to the possibility that if things so far enough South for the Padres in the next 17 games, Shildt will more than likely move things around if Profar is still hitting this badly. The McCoy reference was an add-on to a previous post.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 19:51:06 GMT -8
That doesn't strengthen your argument. You're talking about 57 plate appearances in totality. You're mixing up the arguments Ryan. I'm talking about "moving guys around". I'm referring to the possibility that if things so far enough South for the Padres in the next 17 games, Shildt will more than likely move things around if Profar is still hitting this badly. The McCoy reference was an add-on to a previous post. Not mixing up anything. Responding to the addition on McCoy....and no, I don't think Shildt will move Profar out of the top half of the lineup. Don't really see an option to do that, anyway, specifically against lefties.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 9, 2024 19:56:18 GMT -8
The Jays throwing a guy the Padres traded for cash in a 2-1 game is.....something. And that lead quickly went away. Toronto came from ahead to lose.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 20:14:55 GMT -8
The Jays throwing a guy the Padres traded for cash in a 2-1 game is.....something. And that lead quickly went away. Toronto came from ahead to lose. On a wild pitch and a passed ball.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 9, 2024 20:44:51 GMT -8
Padres need to start beating these .500 teams, and quickly. We got the Mariners and Giants again. Then 3 tough series against the Astros, Dodgers and Diamondbacks, with one easy series against the White Sox.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 9, 2024 21:21:58 GMT -8
And that lead quickly went away. Toronto came from ahead to lose. On a wild pitch and a passed ball. Saw the wild pitch, but missed the passed ball (as did the Toronto catcher). Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how--just how many.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 9, 2024 21:22:59 GMT -8
Padres need to start beating these .500 teams, and quickly. We got the Mariners and Giants again. Then 3 tough series against the Astros, Dodgers and Diamondbacks, with one easy series against the White Sox. The Padres currently control their own destiny.
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Post by junior on Sept 10, 2024 16:38:14 GMT -8
X plays SS tonight, Cronenworth to 2B, Solano @ 1B. Solano takes the 8 spot in the batting order, and Higashioka bats #9.
Mariners chances for post season play are contingent on them winning lots of games they have left. They're currently tied for 4th with Detroit and Boston. They need to get past them and still have to pass Minnesota. They'll have motivation to win tonight and tomorrow night.
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