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Post by sdsuball on Sept 9, 2024 9:02:51 GMT -8
THANK GOD!!!!! Looks like I'm not the only one sick of McCoy's constant outs. Even Bogaerts is finally willing to move to SS to get McCoy out and Solano into the lineup. About friction' time as we're only two games ahead of NY and AZ now. Although some on this board have assured us that the Padres are in the playoffs because of the betting odds, 2 games up with 17 games to go isn't even close to a lock. This could be a season where the team that doesn't make the Wild Card has the all-time highest number of Wins to not make the playoffs since they changed the format in 2022. That number as of now is 88 Wins by the 2022 Mariners. I know you're being sarcastic here...or at least I hope you are. Kim still hasn't been able to recover from throwing across the field to first base without discomfort. That's why they are considering moving Bogaerts to shortstop, with the additional flexibility they have to move guys around in the infield. Glad it's an off day today. We desperately need to in order to hold onto the WC slot. We only have a two game lead in the WC, and we only have one less loss then the Braves AND Mets.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 9:06:31 GMT -8
I know you're being sarcastic here...or at least I hope you are. Kim still hasn't been able to recover from throwing across the field to first base without discomfort. That's why they are considering moving Bogaerts to shortstop, with the additional flexibility they have to move guys around in the infield. Glad it's an off day today. We desperately need to in order to hold onto the WC slot. We only have a two game lead in the WC, and we only have one less loss then the Braves AND Mets. I'm not a sky is falling person. Team will control its own destiny. If you really think that that's going to be what makes the difference,..I promise you, it's not. Pretty simple: If the starting pitching can't hold and you get nothing out of your best player offensively....you're not going to win.
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Post by azson on Sept 9, 2024 10:41:07 GMT -8
I know you're being sarcastic here...or at least I hope you are. Kim still hasn't been able to recover from throwing across the field to first base without discomfort. That's why they are considering moving Bogaerts to shortstop, with the additional flexibility they have to move guys around in the infield. Glad it's an off day today. We desperately need to in order to hold onto the WC slot. We only have a two game lead in the WC, and we only have one less loss then the Braves AND Mets. Have you seen the Mets remaining schedule? It's absolutely brutal, with the majority vs. teams currently in a playoff spot and the last 6 on the road vs. ATL & MIL. There's a reason the Pads' P-Odds are still 90%+ whereas the Mets are <50%.
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Post by azson on Sept 9, 2024 10:49:08 GMT -8
Padres manager Mike Shildt said Sunday that Kim (shoulder) is "not as close as we'd like" to returning, AJ Cassavell of MLB.com reports.
New est. return date: 9/16.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 9, 2024 11:51:15 GMT -8
We desperately need to in order to hold onto the WC slot. We only have a two game lead in the WC, and we only have one less loss then the Braves AND Mets. I'm not a sky is falling person. Team will control its own destiny. If you really think that that's going to be what makes the difference,..I promise you, it's not. Pretty simple: If the starting pitching can't hold and you get nothing out of your best player offensively....you're not going to win. Our best player is Merrill, not Tatis. I do find it interesting that the team played better in Tatis's absence, and now that Tatis is back...
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 12:11:26 GMT -8
I'm not a sky is falling person. Team will control its own destiny. If you really think that that's going to be what makes the difference,..I promise you, it's not. Pretty simple: If the starting pitching can't hold and you get nothing out of your best player offensively....you're not going to win. Our best player is Merrill, not Tatis. I do find it interesting that the team played better in Tatis's absence, and now that Tatis is back... That's funny, but it's not true. Historical track record matters. Tatis has been back for a week....I mean, come on.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 12:45:46 GMT -8
Our best player is Merrill, not Tatis. I do find it interesting that the team played better in Tatis's absence, and now that Tatis is back... That's funny, but it's not true. Historical track record matters. Tatis has been back for a week....I mean, come on. I would say our best player right at this moment is Merrill.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 12:48:58 GMT -8
That's funny, but it's not true. Historical track record matters. Tatis has been back for a week....I mean, come on. I would say our best player right at this moment is Merrill. And still, no. If you go strictly by offense, it's Profar. If you go by total WAR, it's Merrill. But 140 games doesn't erase that Tatis has put up far better seasons than Merrill has already. His rookie year would have smashed Merrill's if he had played a whole season. Tatis is a top ten player in the game right now when he's healthy. He's still playing on one leg right now.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 13:02:21 GMT -8
I would say our best player right at this moment is Merrill. And still, no. If you go strictly by offense, it's Profar. If you go by total WAR, it's Merrill. But 140 games doesn't erase that Tatis has put up far better seasons than Merrill has already. His rookie year would have smashed Merrill's if he had played a whole season. Tatis is a top ten player in the game right now when he's healthy. He's still playing on one leg right now. I agree with what you said, but yeah, I'm talking about the complete player and that's Merrill.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 13:09:42 GMT -8
And still, no. If you go strictly by offense, it's Profar. If you go by total WAR, it's Merrill. But 140 games doesn't erase that Tatis has put up far better seasons than Merrill has already. His rookie year would have smashed Merrill's if he had played a whole season. Tatis is a top ten player in the game right now when he's healthy. He's still playing on one leg right now. I agree with what you said, but yeah, I'm talking about the complete player and that's Merrill. Tatis won a Platinum Glove in his first year at the position. Merrill is still a rookie. It's not close.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 9, 2024 13:21:56 GMT -8
I agree with what you said, but yeah, I'm talking about the complete player and that's Merrill. Tatis won a Platinum Glove in his first year at the position. Merrill is still a rookie. It's not close. Yet look at Tatis's fielding numbers this year. -0.6 fielding WAR, 1.9 oWAR. For this year, Merrill is the best player on the team, King second, Profar third. Also <and I sincerely hope that this changes> Tatis isn't the same player on offense since coming back from shoulder surgery. Tatis before shoulder surgery was on a hall of fame track. That's not how he's played since shoulder surgery.
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Post by junior on Sept 9, 2024 13:26:30 GMT -8
Junior is like the kid who shows up for school for field trip days but is tardy or absent the rest of the time. (2019, 2020, 2022, 2024) Six years in and he's given them two 'full' seasons (2021 and 2023).
That's 33%, for those interested in the statistics. When he's playing he's great. I don't care why he's not in there. But he's not making plays or hitting baseballs - at least ones that count in the standings - when he's out.
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Post by docmm on Sept 9, 2024 13:34:40 GMT -8
THANK GOD!!!!! Looks like I'm not the only one sick of McCoy's constant outs. Even Bogaerts is finally willing to move to SS to get McCoy out and Solano into the lineup. About friction' time as we're only two games ahead of NY and AZ now. Although some on this board have assured us that the Padres are in the playoffs because of the betting odds, 2 games up with 17 games to go isn't even close to a lock. This could be a season where the team that doesn't make the Wild Card has the all-time highest number of Wins to not make the playoffs since they changed the format in 2022. That number as of now is 88 Wins by the 2022 Mariners. I know you're being sarcastic here...or at least I hope you are. Kim still hasn't been able to recover from throwing across the field to first base without discomfort. That's why they are considering moving Bogaerts to shortstop, with the additional flexibility they have to move guys around in the infield. Glad it's an off day today. You're not finishing the thought in bold. The reason they're considering moving Bogaerts to short is that McCoy can't hit. At all! He's 0-13 in his last 5 games. He's been a black hole at the #9 slot, you know, the bad-player slot you said every team has. You've been assuring us that his glove is so good the team would continue to roll with him. Well I'm sure the rest of the team hates that they have no faith in him at the plate and are tired of it too, like everybody else is except maybe you. Bogaerts must be pretty tired of him because it hasn't been that long ago when he said he wanted to stay at 2nd while Kim was gone. Not sure how much difference there will be in SS defense now although 1B defense will definitely be worse with Cronenworth at 2B. But I think/hope the added offense can make up the difference.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 13:42:29 GMT -8
I agree with what you said, but yeah, I'm talking about the complete player and that's Merrill. Tatis won a Platinum Glove in his first year at the position. Merrill is still a rookie. It's not close. I'm saying that he's currently the best player in our team, due to his performance right now. I understand that Tatis is most likely the player player overall on the team once he gets back up to speed, but Merrill is our MVP this year.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 13:44:21 GMT -8
Tatis won a Platinum Glove in his first year at the position. Merrill is still a rookie. It's not close. Yet look at Tatis's fielding numbers this year. -0.6 fielding WAR, 1.9 oWAR. For this year, Merrill is the best player on the team, King second, Profar third. Also <and I sincerely hope that this changes> Tatis isn't the same player on offense since coming back from shoulder surgery. Tatis before shoulder surgery was on a hall of fame track. That's not how he's played since shoulder surgery. Yes, that's what I'm trying to say as well. Merrill is currently our best player. Tatis has the most talent and could end up being the best player which in turn would be INCREDIBLE for the team, but Merrill's it as of right now.
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Post by docmm on Sept 9, 2024 13:46:17 GMT -8
I would say our best player right at this moment is Merrill. And still, no. If you go strictly by offense, it's Profar. If you go by total WAR, it's Merrill. But 140 games doesn't erase that Tatis has put up far better seasons than Merrill has already. His rookie year would have smashed Merrill's if he had played a whole season. Tatis is a top ten player in the game right now when he's healthy. He's still playing on one leg right now. I love Profar and watching him have a career year at this stage of his life has been exciting and very enjoyable. However, I know you're a stat guy and I know he continues to have very high on-base percentage but it's only because of his Walks and HBPs. He hit .196 for the entire month of August and .181 so far for September. It's crazy that he's still batting 3rd in the lineup. You need him to drive guys in, not just get on base and he's not doing that very often with Walks and HBPs. He should be at the bottom of the order so he can be on base when the top of the order comes up. I'd put Merrill up there to give a L-R-L-R start at the top of the order. It would also give Merrill an extra plate appearance now and then. Shildt needs to move guys around if this continues.
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Post by docmm on Sept 9, 2024 13:52:05 GMT -8
We desperately need to in order to hold onto the WC slot. We only have a two game lead in the WC, and we only have one less loss then the Braves AND Mets. I'm not a sky is falling person. Team will control its own destiny. If you really think that that's going to be what makes the difference,..I promise you, it's not. Pretty simple: If the starting pitching can't hold and you get nothing out of your best player offensively....you're not going to win. Baseball can change on a dime. You can't say that it's only starting pitching and Profar hitting that will cause us to win. Profar hasn't "hit" for 6 weeks and they've been ok. The starting pitching can pitch well but we can still lose 3-2 or 4-3 games because the bottom of our lineup doesn't hit when they need to do so. Don't talk in such absolutes, you're too smart to do that.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 14:07:10 GMT -8
Tatis won a Platinum Glove in his first year at the position. Merrill is still a rookie. It's not close. Yet look at Tatis's fielding numbers this year. -0.6 fielding WAR, 1.9 oWAR. For this year, Merrill is the best player on the team, King second, Profar third. Also <and I sincerely hope that this changes> Tatis isn't the same player on offense since coming back from shoulder surgery. Tatis before shoulder surgery was on a hall of fame track. That's not how he's played since shoulder surgery. Defensive metrics mean nothing this year for Tatis, he's been hurt all year. Merrill doesn't grade out tremendously well in center, either, outside of OAA.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 14:14:21 GMT -8
I know you're being sarcastic here...or at least I hope you are. Kim still hasn't been able to recover from throwing across the field to first base without discomfort. That's why they are considering moving Bogaerts to shortstop, with the additional flexibility they have to move guys around in the infield. Glad it's an off day today. You're not finishing the thought in bold. The reason they're considering moving Bogaerts to short is that McCoy can't hit. At all! He's 0-13 in his last 5 games. He's been a black hole at the #9 slot, you know, the bad-player slot you said every team has. You've been assuring us that his glove is so good the team would continue to roll with him. Well I'm sure the rest of the team hates that they have no faith in him at the plate and are tired of it too, like everybody else is except maybe you. Bogaerts must be pretty tired of him because it hasn't been that long ago when he said he wanted to stay at 2nd while Kim was gone. Not sure how much difference there will be in SS defense now although 1B defense will definitely be worse with Cronenworth at 2B. But I think/hope the added offense can make up the difference. No, it's not. They want to get Solano on the field either way and McCoy playing there was never more than a stopgap option, the team knew that. Five games? Really? I don't even know why I bother, but representative sample sizes are a thing. You're the same person who's advocated non-stop for a 62 wRC+ hitter this season to come up, a guy who has been cut twice from contending teams because he is no longer good on either side of the ball. I said what I said with the expectation that Kim's return was forthcoming. He was in Arizona last week playing games. The thought was that Kim would be back by this week, but the throws continue to be an issue. Bogaerts said he wanted to stay at second solely because he didn't want to pivot back and forth between the positions, since he just started playing second this season. There's no need to move Cronenworth anywhere, they can play Solano at second if they choose to do anything. Putting Solano in, of course, weakens the bench, since he's one of the best pinch-hit options in baseball this season. It's fluid, as are more things.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2024 14:15:29 GMT -8
Tatis won a Platinum Glove in his first year at the position. Merrill is still a rookie. It's not close. I'm saying that he's currently the best player in our team, due to his performance right now. I understand that Tatis is most likely the player player overall on the team once he gets back up to speed, but Merrill is our MVP this year. Doesn't matter. The argument was who the better player is... that's Tatis, until Merrill sustains success. Sophomore slumps are a real thing, ask the guy who won the award last year.
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