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Post by johneaztec on Jul 30, 2024 13:25:38 GMT -8
I'm saying that last run they just had solidified, and shut up some who thought there was a chance that they might sell. It was never in the cards to sell big time since they've been in the Playoff hunt for quite some time now. It made no difference whatsoever. They were never going to sell, at 51-57 or 57-51. Overreacting to a small sample size is exactly what caused them last year to sit on Snell and Hader. They misread the market...and just did it again. I don't agree. If they were 51-57 they would have sold.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 13:28:12 GMT -8
Which is again, stupid, but it has nothing to do with that. They have huge, fully guaranteed deals that are going to get more expensive as time goes and Preller's job is in jeopardy, or at least that's what they are insinuating. You don't operate in a one year window. This makes 2025 really difficult, like I said before. I don't think it's stupid. That's your opinion. If an organization thinks they have a shot, especially if they know the status of the injured and know they'll be able to contribute for a playoff spot this season and potential WS spot, they'll go for it most of the time, and rightfully so. You never know when the chance may come again due to injuries, dumb luck, etc.... Of course you don't, you see 2024 and nothing beyond that. The true odds of them winning a title are < 10%, currently. It's incredibly hard to win a World Series. In isolation, if you make this move with a fully intact rotation? Fine, but they aren't doing that. Using limited resources on a rental reliever is not ideal. Production gaps over 54 games are minimal, and you've eradicated depth that makes 2025 and beyond considerably tougher. The goal is to EXTEND long-term windows of viability, not constantly push chips into the middle in a sea of mediocrity.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 13:28:54 GMT -8
It made no difference whatsoever. They were never going to sell, at 51-57 or 57-51. Overreacting to a small sample size is exactly what caused them last year to sit on Snell and Hader. They misread the market...and just did it again. I don't agree. If they were 51-57 they would have sold. I promise you that's not the case.
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Post by azson on Jul 30, 2024 13:33:42 GMT -8
Respectfully, without fans there is no MLB. With the amount of $$$ it takes for a family to go to a single game (and don't even get my started on player salaries), I'd say fans have a right to have a say. Wholeheartedly disagree. Fine, we agree to disagree. Perhaps if you'd suffered as a SD sports' fan for 50+ years you'd understand.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 13:35:59 GMT -8
Fine, we agree to disagree. Perhaps if you'd suffered as a SD sports' fan for 50+ years you'd understand. Family had season tickets to the Chargers since 1969 and I've been going to Padre games since before I could not walk. Trust me, I get it, but the average fan doesn't understand the economics of the sport.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 30, 2024 13:46:53 GMT -8
I don't think it's stupid. That's your opinion. If an organization thinks they have a shot, especially if they know the status of the injured and know they'll be able to contribute for a playoff spot this season and potential WS spot, they'll go for it most of the time, and rightfully so. You never know when the chance may come again due to injuries, dumb luck, etc.... Of course you don't, you see 2024 and nothing beyond that. The true odds of them winning a title are < 10%, currently. It's incredibly hard to win a World Series. In isolation, if you make this move with a fully intact rotation? Fine, but they aren't doing that. Using limited resources on a rental reliever is not ideal. Production gaps over 54 games are minimal, and you've eradicated depth that makes 2025 and beyond considerably tougher. The goal is to EXTEND long-term windows of viability, not constantly push chips into the middle in a sea of mediocrity. I definitely see beyond this year, and I also understand the good and the bad of it all. The present and future implications, and Prellers thinking about his own future that may have had an impact on it. Like I said, if they know the status of the injured, and feel that they'll be back in time and healthy enough to contribute to a WS run, then they made the right move. You can't disregard a fan bases opinion, and passion. Now THAT would be stupid. The Padres, and fans, haven't tasted the playoffs, or WS very often in their existence. Front offices definitely think about what fans reactions are going to be in situations like this. To say they don't, is naive. It's not the real world when you say they should have sold for the future. Sure, it may have been the best decision, and maybe not, but it was not reality at this point in time. You have to go for it when you can.
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Post by azson on Jul 30, 2024 13:47:15 GMT -8
Fine, we agree to disagree. Perhaps if you'd suffered as a SD sports' fan for 50+ years you'd understand. Family had season tickets to the Chargers since 1969 and I've been going to Padre games since before I could not walk. Trust me, I get it, but the average fan doesn't understand the economics of the sport. Apologies for the assumption. And I agree with you re the average fan. But many fans (e.g. my 80 year old SD native pops) have been turned off by greedy pro ownership and "fans should shut up" mentalities. As a former Chargers/Padres season ticket holder (I too grew up in The Murph), my dad hasn't spent a dime on pro sports since the late 80s/early 90s PSL B$ started.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 30, 2024 13:48:49 GMT -8
huge cost for a reliever. AJ is out of his mind. padres have zero organizational depth. if the padres dont make the playoffs he needs to go. Not really a huge cost relative to what other relievers have already gotten. Not relative to what others are getting, but I'm still unhappy that we are giving up Mazur AND Snelling. We have... what, Jackson Wolf now as a potential starter of the future in our system?
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 30, 2024 13:52:54 GMT -8
We have a strong bullpen now!!!
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 14:00:05 GMT -8
Family had season tickets to the Chargers since 1969 and I've been going to Padre games since before I could not walk. Trust me, I get it, but the average fan doesn't understand the economics of the sport. Apologies for the assumption. And I agree with you re the average fan. But many fans (e.g. my 80 year old SD native pops) have been turned off by greedy pro ownership and "fans should shut up" mentalities. As a former Chargers/Padres season ticket holder (I too grew up in The Murph), my dad hasn't spent a dime on pro sports since the late 80s/early 90s PSL B$ started. Understandable.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 14:00:33 GMT -8
Not really a huge cost relative to what other relievers have already gotten. Not relative to what others are getting, but I'm still unhappy that we are giving up Mazur AND Snelling. We have... what, Jackson Wolf now as a potential starter of the future in our system? Told you 2025 would be rough.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 14:01:58 GMT -8
Padres got Martin Perez from Pittsburgh, but the Dodgers got Jack Flaherty for cheap.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 30, 2024 14:02:21 GMT -8
Hoeing will be used as an opener I'm sure, Tanner Scott is a lockdown reliever. Really, really wish we could have kept Mazur - we could have gotten 2 innings from Hoeing, 2 from Mazur, then the rest of the pen finishes the job in bullpen games. I would have been much happier if we kept Mazur and Pauley and just traded for Hoeing. Hoeing has a ton of years of team control left.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 14:04:10 GMT -8
Padres traded Enyel De Los Santos to the Yankees.
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Post by survalli on Jul 30, 2024 14:07:24 GMT -8
Padres got Martin Perez from Pittsburgh, but the Dodgers got Jack Flaherty for cheap. what did we give up for Perez?
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Post by aardvark on Jul 30, 2024 14:10:01 GMT -8
Flaherty to the Dodgers? That sucks.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 30, 2024 14:13:45 GMT -8
What a wild trade deadline.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 30, 2024 14:17:11 GMT -8
Padres got Martin Perez from Pittsburgh, but the Dodgers got Jack Flaherty for cheap. what did we give up for Perez? 18 year old LHP Ronaldys Jimenez. Was he an international signee?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2024 14:22:18 GMT -8
what did we give up for Perez? 18 year old LHP Ronaldys Jimenez. Was he an international signee? Yes.
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Post by junior on Jul 30, 2024 14:22:27 GMT -8
Not really a huge cost relative to what other relievers have already gotten. Not relative to what others are getting, but I'm still unhappy that we are giving up Mazur AND Snelling. We have... what, Jackson Wolf now as a potential starter of the future in our system? Still, the Padres track record with actually developing pitching talent - as it relates to getting them through their farm system and into the rotation - has been abysmal. Wish I knew more about what the deal is with that. Sure, it takes much longer to bring a pitcher along than a position player, but who was the last drafted pitcher to make it all the way in the Padres organization from A league into the Padres starting rotation? Snelling was getting beat up in AA, and Mazur was a pretty much a disappointment here. We could cite others who got away and have made good elsewhere … but what's to say their new team's pitching coaches didn't make most of the difference in their success?
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