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Post by junior on Jul 15, 2024 10:40:22 GMT -8
Can't see this team making the kind of "turnaround" that would be necessary for them to become relevant in the 2nd half. Just can't. They are who and what they are. Whether that's enough to take a flyer (and additional salary) on and/or lose some depth on the 40-man roster, makes a tough dilemma for them.
The Soto disaster - as it relates to what they gave up for a year and a half of, what? - will nag at them for a long time. It should be instructive in this case, as well. They were possibly closer to making their move for a slot in October last year, until they weren't. They are nowhere near that this year. Not even close. They really should be looking ahead to next season at this point. And if they do manage to find themselves in a playoff situation this season, great, that'll add a little bit of post-season profit - maybe enough for a player to be named later.
No Go Joe and Pee Yu aren't likely to matter all that much at this point - their return in late August or September won't suddenly make this team a threat unless they both return at 100% - and pitch that way, too. And that's highly unlikely given the amount of time left in the season once they might actually return. Same goes for Junior. An 80% Junior for a month? So just like last year, yeah, if all went swimmingly, a strong finish could be possible if everything goes their way, but it seems much more likely that'll be another year of "too little, too late".
I'd be a seller - at least if they can find some interesting pitching prospects available. Overpaying for anyone at this point - when it's not just one player that's needed for a push over the top but several (and that's if everything and everyone else comes back at 100% and plays that way too) - just doesn't make good business sense.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 10:46:55 GMT -8
Can't see this team making the kind of "turnaround" that would be necessary for them to become relevant in the 2nd half. Just can't. They are who and what they are. Whether that's enough to take a flyer (and additional salary) on and/or lose some depth on the 40-man roster, makes a tough dilemma for them. The Soto disaster - as it relates to what they gave up for a year and a half of, what? - will nag at them for a long time. It should be instructive in this case, as well. They were possibly closer to making their move for a slot in October last year, until they weren't. They are nowhere near that this year. Not even close. They really should be looking ahead to next season at this point. And if they do manage to find themselves in a playoff situation this season, great, that'll add a little bit of post-season profit - maybe enough for a player to be named later. No Go Joe and Pee Yu aren't likely to matter all that much at this point - their return in late August or September won't suddenly make this team a threat unless they both return at 100% - and pitch that way, too. And that's highly unlikely given the amount of time left in the season once they might actually return. Same goes for Junior. An 80% Junior for a month? So just like last year, yeah, if all went swimmingly, a strong finish could be possible if everything goes their way, but it seems much more likely that'll be another year of "too little, too late". I'd be a seller - at least if they can find some interesting pitching prospects available. Overpaying for anyone at this point - when it's not just one player that's needed for a push over the top but several (and that's if everything and everyone else comes back at 100% and plays that way too) - just doesn't make good business sense. Soto wasn't a disaster at all. That narrative needs to die, frankly. They gave up Gore (who was a developmental nightmare here, through no real fault of his own), Abrams (who can't play shortstop and would block Merrill) and then prospects. Stuff happens. You got useful pieces back in the Soto trade to the Yankees, it's fine. The rest of it is largely how I feel. Prepare for the attack dogs...but probably not. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 10:49:19 GMT -8
I don't recall you ever stating anything to that effect, or I missed it. I'm sure your post had more to it than how Azson left it, so there's that. I said the same thing, just in reverse context. Fortunate to be where they are = Not a title contender right now, as currently constructed. And that you would sell. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 10:53:13 GMT -8
I said the same thing, just in reverse context. Fortunate to be where they are = Not a title contender right now, as currently constructed. And that you would sell. Yep. Selling doesn't equal giving up, fun fact. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 11:08:03 GMT -8
Yep. Selling doesn't equal giving up, fun fact. Fun fact: You said that you would sell for, and concentrate on 2025. Cherry pick much? I'm always picking up the pieces. Sheesh. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:12:22 GMT -8
Yep. Selling doesn't equal giving up, fun fact. Fun fact: You said that you would sell for, and concentrate on 2025. Cherry pick much? I'm always picking up the pieces. Sheesh. I did. The same as junior just did....but I'm guessing you're not going to direct a rant towards that direction...strangely enough. I don't know what you're talking about with "cherry picking." Makes no sense. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 15, 2024 11:15:17 GMT -8
Yep. Selling doesn't equal giving up, fun fact. You are saying that we should sell, but that the Giants won't sell, even though they are lower in the standings? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 11:16:12 GMT -8
Fun fact: You said that you would sell for, and concentrate on 2025. Cherry pick much? I'm always picking up the pieces. Sheesh. I did. The same as junior just did....but I'm guessing you're not going to direct a rant towards that direction...strangely enough. I don't know what you're talking about with "cherry picking." Makes no sense. I haven't read Junior's yet, but at least you admit to the whole post now. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:17:51 GMT -8
Yep. Selling doesn't equal giving up, fun fact. You are saying that we should sell, but that the Giants won't sell, even though they are lower in the standings? That's not even close to what I said. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:18:25 GMT -8
I did. The same as junior just did....but I'm guessing you're not going to direct a rant towards that direction...strangely enough. I don't know what you're talking about with "cherry picking." Makes no sense. I haven't read Junior's yet, but at least you admit to the whole post now. What whole post? What are you talking about? Speak English. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:32:12 GMT -8
For all old school baseball fans, the Padres just drafted Clark Candiotti, son of former knuckleballer Tom.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 11:40:29 GMT -8
I haven't read Junior's yet, but at least you admit to the whole post now. What whole post? What are you talking about? Speak English. You sure like to play dumb when you get caught being disingenuous. I understand your frustration. Oh, it's English, they're just words you don't like seeing. What post? Oh I don't know, maybe the one where you say that you'd sell for 2025. Geeze. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:44:11 GMT -8
What whole post? What are you talking about? Speak English. You sure like to play dumb when you get caught being disingenuous I understand your frustration. Oh, it's English, they're just words you don't like seeing. What post? Oh I don't know, maybe the one where you say that you'd sell for 2025. Geeze. What's disingenuous about it? I've repeated it many times. Are you confused? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 11:46:24 GMT -8
Can't see this team making the kind of "turnaround" that would be necessary for them to become relevant in the 2nd half. Just can't. They are who and what they are. Whether that's enough to take a flyer (and additional salary) on and/or lose some depth on the 40-man roster, makes a tough dilemma for them. The Soto disaster - as it relates to what they gave up for a year and a half of, what? - will nag at them for a long time. It should be instructive in this case, as well. They were possibly closer to making their move for a slot in October last year, until they weren't. They are nowhere near that this year. Not even close. They really should be looking ahead to next season at this point. And if they do manage to find themselves in a playoff situation this season, great, that'll add a little bit of post-season profit - maybe enough for a player to be named later. No Go Joe and Pee Yu aren't likely to matter all that much at this point - their return in late August or September won't suddenly make this team a threat unless they both return at 100% - and pitch that way, too. And that's highly unlikely given the amount of time left in the season once they might actually return. Same goes for Junior. An 80% Junior for a month? So just like last year, yeah, if all went swimmingly, a strong finish could be possible if everything goes their way, but it seems much more likely that'll be another year of "too little, too late". I'd be a seller - at least if they can find some interesting pitching prospects available. Overpaying for anyone at this point - when it's not just one player that's needed for a push over the top but several (and that's if everything and everyone else comes back at 100% and plays that way too) - just doesn't make good business sense. These are all opinions and I get that. My opinion is that you only sell if they completely tank by the deadline, and if they feel that Tatis and Musgrove will not be able to help them this year. I'm not thinking about Darvish at this point. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 11:49:08 GMT -8
You sure like to play dumb when you get caught being disingenuous I understand your frustration. Oh, it's English, they're just words you don't like seeing. What post? Oh I don't know, maybe the one where you say that you'd sell for 2025. Geeze. What's disingenuous about it? I've repeated it many times. Are you confused? You sure left that part out when you said that you said the same thing as Azson. Ryan, you actually crack me up sometimes, with the length you'll go to not be wrong, or that you've made a mistake. Good times. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:49:31 GMT -8
Can't see this team making the kind of "turnaround" that would be necessary for them to become relevant in the 2nd half. Just can't. They are who and what they are. Whether that's enough to take a flyer (and additional salary) on and/or lose some depth on the 40-man roster, makes a tough dilemma for them. The Soto disaster - as it relates to what they gave up for a year and a half of, what? - will nag at them for a long time. It should be instructive in this case, as well. They were possibly closer to making their move for a slot in October last year, until they weren't. They are nowhere near that this year. Not even close. They really should be looking ahead to next season at this point. And if they do manage to find themselves in a playoff situation this season, great, that'll add a little bit of post-season profit - maybe enough for a player to be named later. No Go Joe and Pee Yu aren't likely to matter all that much at this point - their return in late August or September won't suddenly make this team a threat unless they both return at 100% - and pitch that way, too. And that's highly unlikely given the amount of time left in the season once they might actually return. Same goes for Junior. An 80% Junior for a month? So just like last year, yeah, if all went swimmingly, a strong finish could be possible if everything goes their way, but it seems much more likely that'll be another year of "too little, too late". I'd be a seller - at least if they can find some interesting pitching prospects available. Overpaying for anyone at this point - when it's not just one player that's needed for a push over the top but several (and that's if everything and everyone else comes back at 100% and plays that way too) - just doesn't make good business sense. These are all opinions and I get that. My opinion is that you only sell if they completely tank by the deadline, and if they feel that Tatis and Musgrove will not be able to help them this year. I'm not thinking about Darvish at this point. Wow...talk about disingenuous. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 11:52:04 GMT -8
What's disingenuous about it? I've repeated it many times. Are you confused? You sure left that part out when you said that you said the same thing as Azson. Ryan, you actually crack me up sometimes, with the length you'll go to not be wrong, or that you've made a mistake. Good times. No, I didn't? We arrived at the same conclusion just through different methods. I didn't make a mistake, you just don't like me and will go to any length to argue with me because you're a juvenile. Junior says the same thing, pretty much word for word and you barely acknowledge it. Pretty cowardly stuff, all things considered. I would sell certain pieces, or explore selling certain pieces at the deadline to capitalize on what will be an extreme seller's market. I'm not sure what's hard to grasp about that. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 12:00:49 GMT -8
You sure left that part out when you said that you said the same thing as Azson. Ryan, you actually crack me up sometimes, with the length you'll go to not be wrong, or that you've made a mistake. Good times. No, I didn't? We arrived at the same conclusion just through different methods. I didn't make a mistake, you just don't like me and will go to any length to argue with me because you're a juvenile. Junior says the same thing, pretty much word for word and you barely acknowledge it. Pretty cowardly stuff, all things considered. I would sell certain pieces, or explore selling certain pieces at the deadline to capitalize on what will be an extreme seller's market. I'm not sure what's hard to grasp about that. I certainly don't like the way you treat people. Anyway, what Azson posted and what you said are completely different when you throw in there that you would sell and concentrate on 2025. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about THAT. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 12:11:18 GMT -8
No, I didn't? We arrived at the same conclusion just through different methods. I didn't make a mistake, you just don't like me and will go to any length to argue with me because you're a juvenile. Junior says the same thing, pretty much word for word and you barely acknowledge it. Pretty cowardly stuff, all things considered. I would sell certain pieces, or explore selling certain pieces at the deadline to capitalize on what will be an extreme seller's market. I'm not sure what's hard to grasp about that. I certainly don't like the way you treat people. Anyway, what Azson posted and what you said are completely different when you throw in there that you would sell and concentrate on 2025. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about THAT. I don't care what you like. Respect is earned, not given. Your consistent attacks, even when I'm not talking to you at all, are petty and unnecessary. I can disagree with you, you can disagree with me. Fine. Dandy. And no, they aren't different at all. He said "They are fortunate to be where they are, despite all the injuries." That's true. It also lends credibility to the giant holes you can't fix at the deadline, all at the same time. Not all that complicated, you just want to argue. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 13:00:01 GMT -8
I certainly don't like the way you treat people. Anyway, what Azson posted and what you said are completely different when you throw in there that you would sell and concentrate on 2025. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about THAT. I don't care what you like. Respect is earned, not given. Your consistent attacks, even when I'm not talking to you at all, are petty and unnecessary. I can disagree with you, you can disagree with me. Fine. Dandy. And no, they aren't different at all. He said "They are fortunate to be where they are, despite all the injuries." That's true. It also lends credibility to the giant holes you can't fix at the deadline, all at the same time. Not all that complicated, you just want to argue. Yes, it's not complicated at all. He didn't say that he wanted to sell and concentrate on 2025 in his post, but you did. Huge difference between the two. You said that you said the same thing as Azson. No you didn't. You just want to leave that part out. Moving on. |
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