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Post by johneaztec on Jul 14, 2024 21:17:11 GMT -8
Also, you did say that they'll have more time off in the second half due to scheduling and that should help injuries, etc.... I think the "days off" advantage ends around the 1st of August. Do you think they should stay the course and see what they can do this year? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 21:20:30 GMT -8
As someone who actually follows the team reasonably closely....I mean, no. Even if Tatis, Musgrove and Darvish all come back in mid-August, you're still up against the luxury tax number with any reasonable additions. If Darvish doesn't come back, you free up more money, but you have to replace Darvish. King's innings limits are looming. Where's the offensive consistency going to come from? Arraez? Hurt. Bogaerts? Just coming back from a serious injury. Merrill? Starting to show some signs of the rookie wall. Profar? Still playing through injury. The NL isn't good, which is annoying, but this team is 50-49, injury-riddled and nowhere close to being a bonafide contender. Unfortunate. At this point in time I'd roll with Waldron, King, Cease and Vasquez and be confident that they can get it done. They're all showing that they're capable of having an outstanding outing. Add Musgrove in the mix and it gets better. I'm not even thinking about Darvish at this point. You may also be able to get away with a bullpen game with, Morejon, Estrada, Matsui, Kolek and Suarez. Only do that if necessary, but I wouldn't want to try it. Are you saying that that's what they are going to do because of the luxury tax? Or, is that just what you would do? A four man rotation puts more innings on King's plate. It puts more innings on Waldron and Vasquez, who have never absorbed full-time MLB workloads. That's not a feasible strategy, especially for a team that has elected to give extra rest all year, whenever it's possible. You would need at least one more starter if Darvish comes back, two if he doesn't. You can only carry 13 pitchers, so extra bodies isn't a thing. Musgrove is nowhere close to being back, and even when he is back, has to prove he can overcome shoulder and elbow issues. That's far from a guarantee, at this rate. If he isn't, you're right back where you started. And that's before you even get to the offense. I believe they will stay under the tax, barring something changing within the next 10 days or so. It's really, really complicated as you have to plan for two completely different scenarios, with Darvish or without, financially speaking. I would sell at the deadline. I'd explore moving Arraez, Profar, Cease and some relievers. I always viewed 2024 as a transition season. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 21:22:49 GMT -8
As someone who actually follows the team reasonably closely....I mean, no. Even if Tatis, Musgrove and Darvish all come back in mid-August, you're still up against the luxury tax number with any reasonable additions. If Darvish doesn't come back, you free up more money, but you have to replace Darvish. King's innings limits are looming. Where's the offensive consistency going to come from? Arraez? Hurt. Bogaerts? Just coming back from a serious injury. Merrill? Starting to show some signs of the rookie wall. Profar? Still playing through injury. The NL isn't good, which is annoying, but this team is 50-49, injury-riddled and nowhere close to being a bonafide contender. Unfortunate. Also, you did say that they'll have more time off in the second half due to scheduling and that should help injuries, etc.... That was before Tatis went down worse than expected and before Arraez was hurt again. You can't cover everything for every player. Fernando originally was supposed to miss a couple weeks, not two months. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 14, 2024 23:42:07 GMT -8
At this point in time I'd roll with Waldron, King, Cease and Vasquez and be confident that they can get it done. They're all showing that they're capable of having an outstanding outing. Add Musgrove in the mix and it gets better. I'm not even thinking about Darvish at this point. You may also be able to get away with a bullpen game with, Morejon, Estrada, Matsui, Kolek and Suarez. Only do that if necessary, but I wouldn't want to try it. Are you saying that that's what they are going to do because of the luxury tax? Or, is that just what you would do? A four man rotation puts more innings on King's plate. It puts more innings on Waldron and Vasquez, who have never absorbed full-time MLB workloads. That's not a feasible strategy, especially for a team that has elected to give extra rest all year, whenever it's possible. You would need at least one more starter if Darvish comes back, two if he doesn't. You can only carry 13 pitchers, so extra bodies isn't a thing. Musgrove is nowhere close to being back, and even when he is back, has to prove he can overcome shoulder and elbow issues. That's far from a guarantee, at this rate. If he isn't, you're right back where you started. And that's before you even get to the offense. I believe they will stay under the tax, barring something changing within the next 10 days or so. It's really, really complicated as you have to plan for two completely different scenarios, with Darvish or without, financially speaking. I would sell at the deadline. I'd explore moving Arraez, Profar, Cease and some relievers. I always viewed 2024 as a transition season. I was referring to playoff time. In the playoffs. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 8:25:12 GMT -8
A four man rotation puts more innings on King's plate. It puts more innings on Waldron and Vasquez, who have never absorbed full-time MLB workloads. That's not a feasible strategy, especially for a team that has elected to give extra rest all year, whenever it's possible. You would need at least one more starter if Darvish comes back, two if he doesn't. You can only carry 13 pitchers, so extra bodies isn't a thing. Musgrove is nowhere close to being back, and even when he is back, has to prove he can overcome shoulder and elbow issues. That's far from a guarantee, at this rate. If he isn't, you're right back where you started. And that's before you even get to the offense. I believe they will stay under the tax, barring something changing within the next 10 days or so. It's really, really complicated as you have to plan for two completely different scenarios, with Darvish or without, financially speaking. I would sell at the deadline. I'd explore moving Arraez, Profar, Cease and some relievers. I always viewed 2024 as a transition season. I was referring to playoff time. In the playoffs. We're not at the trade deadline yet. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 8:49:48 GMT -8
I was referring to playoff time. In the playoffs. We're not at the trade deadline yet. If it was currently playoff time, I would be happy with that lineup, but I forgot to mention that I hope we deal for an SP. I love Arraez, but he may be the guy to trade, or possibly Kim, or both. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 8:53:41 GMT -8
We're not at the trade deadline yet. If it was currently playoff time, I would be happy with that lineup, but I forgot to mention that I hope we deal for an SP. I love Arraez, but he may be the guy to trade, or possibly Kim, or both. I don't think they trade anyone on the MLB roster, unless they get such a good deal they can't pass it up. They need more pieces than they can probably afford, though. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 15, 2024 9:15:11 GMT -8
If it was currently playoff time, I would be happy with that lineup, but I forgot to mention that I hope we deal for an SP. I love Arraez, but he may be the guy to trade, or possibly Kim, or both. I don't think they trade anyone on the MLB roster, unless they get such a good deal they can't pass it up. They need more pieces than they can probably afford, though. There's just a real lack of organizational pitching depth at the Padres upper levels. Bottom line. That's why the Padres have collapsed down the stretch so many times. |
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Post by azson on Jul 15, 2024 9:15:18 GMT -8
Considering their #1 & 2 pitchers have missed the majority of the season, as has Bogaerts, Manny coming off surgery and clearly playing at less than 100%, and FTJ out yet again, it's actually a minor miracle the Pads are over .500 and only 1 game out of a playoff spot at the ASB.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 9:21:05 GMT -8
Considering their #1 & 2 pitchers have missed the majority of the season, as has Bogaerts, Manny coming off surgery and clearly playing at less than 100%, and FTJ out yet again, it's actually a minor miracle the Pads are over .500 and only 1 game out of a playoff spot at the ASB. Perspective. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 15, 2024 9:24:52 GMT -8
If it was currently playoff time, I would be happy with that lineup, but I forgot to mention that I hope we deal for an SP. I love Arraez, but he may be the guy to trade, or possibly Kim, or both. I don't think they trade anyone on the MLB roster, unless they get such a good deal they can't pass it up. They need more pieces than they can probably afford, though. They probably need to trade at least one of their untouchable prospects in order to get what they need. One starting pitcher and one reliever at minimum. Then add a starting pitcher with options given the uncertainty around Darvish and Musgrove. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 9:34:57 GMT -8
I don't think they trade anyone on the MLB roster, unless they get such a good deal they can't pass it up. They need more pieces than they can probably afford, though. There's just a real lack of organizational pitching depth at the Padres upper levels. Bottom line. That's why the Padres have collapsed down the stretch so many times. That's not really true. Vasquez, Brito, Kolek, Reynolds, Waldron...and they traded Iriarte and Thorpe. There's still some more bodies behind them, but it's a 40-man roster dilemma. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 9:35:27 GMT -8
I don't think they trade anyone on the MLB roster, unless they get such a good deal they can't pass it up. They need more pieces than they can probably afford, though. They probably need to trade at least one of their untouchable prospects in order to get what they need. One starting pitcher and one reliever at minimum. Then add a starting pitcher with options given the uncertainty around Darvish and Musgrove. Trading either one would be a colossal mistake. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 15, 2024 9:35:59 GMT -8
All of our pitching prospects are having bad years.
Do you give a guy like Lake Bachar a call up?
4.4 ERA in El Paso is okay given the hitting environment.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 9:36:07 GMT -8
Considering their #1 & 2 pitchers have missed the majority of the season, as has Bogaerts, Manny coming off surgery and clearly playing at less than 100%, and FTJ out yet again, it's actually a minor miracle the Pads are over .500 and only 1 game out of a playoff spot at the ASB. Perspective. I said the same exact thing in different terms and you jumped down my throat...lol. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 15, 2024 9:44:40 GMT -8
I said the same exact thing in different terms and you jumped down my throat...lol. I don't recall you ever stating anything to that effect, or I missed it. I'm sure your post had more to it than how Azson left it, so there's that. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 15, 2024 9:49:39 GMT -8
What do the Giants want for a half year of Snellzilla, assuming they are sellers?
We would still be under the luxury tax cap.
He had an incredible outing against the Twins.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 9:58:35 GMT -8
What do the Giants want for a half year of Snellzilla, assuming they are sellers? We would still be under the luxury tax cap. He had an incredible outing against the Twins. Why would they trade him? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 15, 2024 9:59:27 GMT -8
I said the same exact thing in different terms and you jumped down my throat...lol. I don't recall you ever stating anything to that effect, or I missed it. I'm sure your post had more to it than how Azson left it, so there's that. I said the same thing, just in reverse context. Fortunate to be where they are = Not a title contender right now, as currently constructed. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 15, 2024 10:31:55 GMT -8
What do the Giants want for a half year of Snellzilla, assuming they are sellers? We would still be under the luxury tax cap. He had an incredible outing against the Twins. Why would they trade him? Because they are 3 games under .500 and Snell is on a one-year deal. They are in 4th place in the division, and there is no way that four teams make the playoffs out of the NL west with all the games still left to be played inter-division. |
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