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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 22:08:33 GMT -8
Get in, and you never know. Get Tatis and Musgrove back on the back end, and make a run. It will feel like throwing in the towel if they're in playoff contention, which they are. A lot of those people paying, and selling out the stadium won't accept that. I doubt that's even in the back of their minds at this point. This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. You said teams don't operate that way, so you're saying with your post they ARE going to give up on this season, basically, and reload for 2025 at the trade deadline, right? Or, are the Padres the only team that doesn't operate the way other teams do, and the way YOU think they should? Every team, even the teams that have won the title, or have won 90 games, "hopes" they'll be hot at the right time, and not hit with the injury bug when it counts. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 22:10:27 GMT -8
Yep, every year we're not on track, or it doesn't look like we'll hit the 90 win mark at the deadline, we should trade for the next year, and give up on the current year. Thank goodness you're not the GM of the Padres. Yikes. If that's what you interpreted, then...probably best to not participate. It was crystal clear. You shouldn't throw stuff out there that really doesn't happen, such as teams folding at the trade deadline when they're right in the thick of the playoff race. Ridiculous. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 22:12:43 GMT -8
This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. You said teams don't operate that way, so you're saying with your post they ARE going to give up on this season, basically, and reload for 2025 at the trade deadline, right? Or, are the Padres the only team that doesn't operate the way other teams do, and the way YOU think they should? Every team, even the teams that have won the title, or have won 90 games, "hopes" they'll be hot at the right time, and not hit with the injury bug when it counts. No, that's not what that means. I'm not saying anything, I'm telling you that teams don't just operate in the hopes of making the playoffs without taking into account all the variables that go into roster construction and organizational philosophy. It's not about the fans, it's not about attendance, it's about their own internal discussions. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 22:12:45 GMT -8
That's simply not the case. Atlanta in 2021 is the only sub-90 win team to win the title since the Giants won 88 games in 2014. The majority of teams over that timespan would be categorized as elite or close to it. Expanded playoffs make comparisons more difficult, but this isn't a World Series contending team...and that should be pretty obvious based on the inconsistency. A lot of inconsistency due to injuries though, not a lack of talent. Which leads me to believe that they can win a WS if everyone is back in time for the playoffs. The biggest question in my mind regarding that is, who are our aces? Cease in theory, King maybe (if he holds up with the increased workload)? I think the ace of the staff rotates between the three, Cease, King and Waldron. Three good pitchers. Vasquez has also not been bad. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 22:14:08 GMT -8
If that's what you interpreted, then...probably best to not participate. It was crystal clear. You shouldn't throw stuff out there that really doesn't happen, such as teams folding at the trade deadline when they're right in the thick of the playoff race. Ridiculous. You just make stuff up, apparently. Because that's not anywhere near what actually said. Selling off pieces at the deadline doesn't mean you're giving up, you CAN get useful pieces back. Operating in a one-year window is stupid, frankly. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 22:24:54 GMT -8
You said teams don't operate that way, so you're saying with your post they ARE going to give up on this season, basically, and reload for 2025 at the trade deadline, right? Or, are the Padres the only team that doesn't operate the way other teams do, and the way YOU think they should? Every team, even the teams that have won the title, or have won 90 games, "hopes" they'll be hot at the right time, and not hit with the injury bug when it counts. No, that's not what that means. I'm not saying anything, I'm telling you that teams don't just operate in the hopes of making the playoffs without taking into account all the variables that go into roster construction and organizational philosophy. It's not about the fans, it's not about attendance, it's about their own internal discussions. Uh, yeah. That's no revelation. You said they don't operate for the playoffs, they operate for a title and you also alluded to the fact that teams rarely make the WS if they haven't won the title, or win 90 games, and the Padres aren't either of those. So yeah, you're saying point blank that they should/will fold this year at the deadline. I get it that they have to make tough decisions at the trade deadline. They have a pretty good idea when Tatis will be back and probably the status of Musgrove. You're doing your usual, which is making it more than it really is. The Padres have a team, at this point, that is worth going for it. They hit a 5 game losing streak, but that could have been different if Tatis and Musgrove were playing. What they will consider for the current year is the time tables for Tatis and Musgrove. Since they're currently in contention for a playoff spot and they'll get at least Tatis back, they're not going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize this season. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 22:26:03 GMT -8
It was crystal clear. You shouldn't throw stuff out there that really doesn't happen, such as teams folding at the trade deadline when they're right in the thick of the playoff race. Ridiculous. You just make stuff up, apparently. Because that's not anywhere near what actually said. Selling off pieces at the deadline doesn't mean you're giving up, you CAN get useful pieces back. Operating in a one-year window is stupid, frankly. Make stuff up? This post you just made is what we call "Double Talk." Ryan, you said that if you were the GM, you would make trades and reload for next year 2025, essentially giving up on this year. Correct? That's what got this whole line of talk going. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 13, 2024 22:36:53 GMT -8
It was crystal clear. You shouldn't throw stuff out there that really doesn't happen, such as teams folding at the trade deadline when they're right in the thick of the playoff race. Ridiculous. You just make stuff up, apparently. Because that's not anywhere near what actually said. Selling off pieces at the deadline doesn't mean you're giving up, you CAN get useful pieces back. Operating in a one-year window is stupid, frankly. Trading Arraez, Cease, and Profar for multi-year pieces is not synonymous with winning this year. There is a < 5% chance that we trade those guys. We would have to drop 5-7 games below .500 before the deadline. Kim is more likely to be traded then Arraez or Cease, the latter two are on multi-year deals (and we just traded for them this year). Profar, okay maybe if we drop 3-4 games below .500, then I could see the team selling on Profar and Kim. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 22:43:43 GMT -8
You just make stuff up, apparently. Because that's not anywhere near what actually said. Selling off pieces at the deadline doesn't mean you're giving up, you CAN get useful pieces back. Operating in a one-year window is stupid, frankly. Trading Arraez, Cease, and Profar for multi-year pieces is not synonymous with winning this year. There is a < 5% chance that we trade those guys. We would have to drop 5-7 games below .500 before the deadline. Kim is more likely to be traded then Arraez or Cease, the latter two are on multi-year deals (and we just traded for them this year). Profar, okay maybe if we drop 3-4 games below .500, then I could see the team selling on Profar and Kim. This is the more likely scenario, and not the, "Sell off pieces and retool for next year at the deadline", scenario. Sure if we're completely tanking around July 30th, then that's possible, but that's not something someone should mention today that they would do it. That would just be plain wrong. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 22:50:11 GMT -8
It would be absolutely awesome if we can get the W going into the All Star Break and 3 games above 500. Let's get it!!!
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 22:50:45 GMT -8
You just make stuff up, apparently. Because that's not anywhere near what actually said. Selling off pieces at the deadline doesn't mean you're giving up, you CAN get useful pieces back. Operating in a one-year window is stupid, frankly. Trading Arraez, Cease, and Profar for multi-year pieces is not synonymous with winning this year. There is a < 5% chance that we trade those guys. We would have to drop 5-7 games below .500 before the deadline. Kim is more likely to be traded then Arraez or Cease, the latter two are on multi-year deals (and we just traded for them this year). Profar, okay maybe if we drop 3-4 games below .500, then I could see the team selling on Profar and Kim. Kim is not more likely to be moved than anyone. It doesn't really matter if you traded for them this year or not, teams pivot all the time. Adapt to your circumstances. Arraez, as expected, has struggled to hit in Petco. He's due $15M or so in arbitration next year. It would be stupid *NOT* to shop him. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 22:51:55 GMT -8
Trading Arraez, Cease, and Profar for multi-year pieces is not synonymous with winning this year. There is a < 5% chance that we trade those guys. We would have to drop 5-7 games below .500 before the deadline. Kim is more likely to be traded then Arraez or Cease, the latter two are on multi-year deals (and we just traded for them this year). Profar, okay maybe if we drop 3-4 games below .500, then I could see the team selling on Profar and Kim. This is the more likely scenario, and not the, "Sell off pieces and retool for next year at the deadline", scenario. Sure if we're completely tanking around July 30th, then that's possible, but that's not something someone should mention today that they would do it. That would just be plain wrong. It's my opinion. You are entitled to yours. I don't care and I'm not going to be influenced by a handful of games. The facts are what they are. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 14, 2024 8:42:42 GMT -8
No one contends for the WS if they don't make the playoffs. Okay. I'm talking about WINNING the title. That's it. You can't win it if you're not in it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 8:43:35 GMT -8
Okay. I'm talking about WINNING the title. That's it. You can't win it if you're not in it. Stopped being funny three or four posts ago. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 14, 2024 8:45:43 GMT -8
You can't win it if you're not in it. Stopped being funny three or four posts ago. It was never meant to be funny. Just factual. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 8:47:23 GMT -8
Stopped being funny three or four posts ago. It was never meant to be funny. Just factual. Pointless, though. I'm talking about winning, you're talking about cliches over and over. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 14, 2024 9:55:49 GMT -8
It was never meant to be funny. Just factual. Pointless, though. I'm talking about winning, you're talking about cliches over and over. Now THAT'S funny. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 10:14:44 GMT -8
Pointless, though. I'm talking about winning, you're talking about cliches over and over. Now THAT'S funny. Okay. The fact is that World Series winners aren't pacing for 84 wins on the regular. Making the playoffs isn't the objective of the organization. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 14, 2024 10:22:14 GMT -8
Okay. The fact is that World Series winners aren't pacing for 84 wins on the regular. Making the playoffs isn't the objective of the organization. Of course it isn't the objective. But you still have a chance to win if you get in as a wild card. Or, is that just another cliche? |
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Post by docmm on Jul 14, 2024 10:33:36 GMT -8
Okay. The fact is that World Series winners aren't pacing for 84 wins on the regular. Making the playoffs isn't the objective of the organization. For all your insights and information, do you have to be so defensive and argumentative 87% of the time? You’re allowed to be wrong once in a while. We all are, well, except for you apparently. |
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