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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 16:32:39 GMT -8
They aren't trading him, though. They aren't trading him... yet you propose that we trade everyone on a short term deal. Okay. Arraez, Cease, Profar, etc. You're right, that wasn't clear. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 17:02:26 GMT -8
Peralta has been coming through lately. Good to see.
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Post by junior on Jul 13, 2024 17:12:14 GMT -8
… it may be too soon to throw in the towel. Dudders are on a 3-7 slide over their last 10 games (Padres are 4-6). Their arms are seizing up. Now their redheaded child is out for the remainder of the season. While the Padres certainly don't have the same financial depth as L.A. does, there are very slim pickings when it comes to backing up pitching staffs later this month, and there will be lots of bidders. So having all that money may not be much of an advantage in terms of cornering a market.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 17:35:53 GMT -8
… it may be too soon to throw in the towel. Dudders are on a 3-7 slide over their last 10 games (Padres are 4-6). Their arms are seizing up. Now their redheaded child is out for the remainder of the season. While the Padres certainly don't have the same financial depth as L.A. does, there are very slim pickings when it comes to backing up pitching staffs later this month, and there will be lots of bidders. So having all that money may not be much of an advantage in terms of cornering a market. It would be different if the Padres were anywhere near healthy. This isn't throwing in the towel, it's just being practical to what your situation is. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 18:56:56 GMT -8
… it may be too soon to throw in the towel. Dudders are on a 3-7 slide over their last 10 games (Padres are 4-6). Their arms are seizing up. Now their redheaded child is out for the remainder of the season. While the Padres certainly don't have the same financial depth as L.A. does, there are very slim pickings when it comes to backing up pitching staffs later this month, and there will be lots of bidders. So having all that money may not be much of an advantage in terms of cornering a market. It would be different if the Padres were anywhere near healthy. This isn't throwing in the towel, it's just being practical to what your situation is. Get in, and you never know. Get Tatis and Musgrove back on the back end, and make a run. It will feel like throwing in the towel if they're in playoff contention, which they are. A lot of those people paying, and selling out the stadium won't accept that. I doubt that's even in the back of their minds at this point. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 20:04:26 GMT -8
It would be different if the Padres were anywhere near healthy. This isn't throwing in the towel, it's just being practical to what your situation is. Get in, and you never know. Get Tatis and Musgrove back on the back end, and make a run. It will feel like throwing in the towel if they're in playoff contention, which they are. A lot of those people paying, and selling out the stadium won't accept that. I doubt that's even in the back of their minds at this point. This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2024 20:38:43 GMT -8
Get in, and you never know. Get Tatis and Musgrove back on the back end, and make a run. It will feel like throwing in the towel if they're in playoff contention, which they are. A lot of those people paying, and selling out the stadium won't accept that. I doubt that's even in the back of their minds at this point. This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. One thing is certain--if you don't make the playoffs, you can't win a title. |
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Post by docmm on Jul 13, 2024 20:40:31 GMT -8
Bogaerts broke his Left shoulder not his throwing one. And yes I know everything's connected and just maybe his Right arm has been somewhat affected. Kim hasn't been the lights out Golden Glover he was last year. He's 8th in the NL in fielding % for SS. He's tied for the third highest number of SS errors in the NL and he's hitting .226. I like him but if we could get a starter and a good reliever for him and a pretty good prospects, I'm in. Interesting--you list all the issues Kim has this season, but then you think we could get a starter (which everyone is looking for), good reliever (which everyone is looking for), and a prospect(s) for a guy who isn't having a very good year. Sorry for the lack of proper punctuation. I meant Kim and a prospect(s) for a starter and reliever. |
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Post by docmm on Jul 13, 2024 20:43:42 GMT -8
Get in, and you never know. Get Tatis and Musgrove back on the back end, and make a run. It will feel like throwing in the towel if they're in playoff contention, which they are. A lot of those people paying, and selling out the stadium won't accept that. I doubt that's even in the back of their minds at this point. This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. But no one really knows how long of a leash Preller still has. If they don't make the playoffs, even you can't be certain that he'd be back. I think he needs to make the playoff. He's had excuses for the last couple years. Granted, they've been pretty good excuses but excuses none the less. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2024 20:55:40 GMT -8
Padres are now 5th in WC standings. For 3 spots. The Padres just ended their fourth 5-game losing streak this season.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 21:01:54 GMT -8
This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. One thing is certain--if you don't make the playoffs, you can't win a title. If you look at this century, with rare exceptions, the team that wins the World Series either wins their division or wins 90+ games. There's 83-84 win teams that actually win the title. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 21:02:59 GMT -8
This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. But no one really knows how long of a leash Preller still has. If they don't make the playoffs, even you can't be certain that he'd be back. I think he needs to make the playoff. He's had excuses for the last couple years. Granted, they've been pretty good excuses but excuses none the less. I don't think those are excuses. If they fire him after mandating the payroll cut, that tells me more about the guys calling the shots than the GM. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2024 21:08:58 GMT -8
One thing is certain--if you don't make the playoffs, you can't win a title. If you look at this century, with rare exceptions, the team that wins the World Series either wins their division or wins 90+ games. There's 83-84 win teams that actually win the title. So...after reading your post 4 times, anyone who gets in can win the title. That's pretty much what has been said by others on this thread. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 21:13:02 GMT -8
If you look at this century, with rare exceptions, the team that wins the World Series either wins their division or wins 90+ games. There's 83-84 win teams that actually win the title. So...after reading your post 4 times, anyone who gets in can win the title. That's pretty much what has been said by others on this thread. That's simply not the case. Atlanta in 2021 is the only sub-90 win team to win the title since the Giants won 88 games in 2014. The majority of teams over that timespan would be categorized as elite or close to it. Expanded playoffs make comparisons more difficult, but this isn't a World Series contending team...and that should be pretty obvious based on the inconsistency. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2024 21:16:11 GMT -8
So...after reading your post 4 times, anyone who gets in can win the title. That's pretty much what has been said by others on this thread. That's simply not the case. Atlanta in 2021 is the only sub-90 win team to win the title since the Giants won 88 games in 2014. The majority of teams over that timespan would be categorized as elite or close to it. Expanded playoffs make comparisons more difficult, but this isn't a World Series contending team...and that should be pretty obvious based on the inconsistency. No one contends for the WS if they don't make the playoffs. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 21:26:24 GMT -8
That's simply not the case. Atlanta in 2021 is the only sub-90 win team to win the title since the Giants won 88 games in 2014. The majority of teams over that timespan would be categorized as elite or close to it. Expanded playoffs make comparisons more difficult, but this isn't a World Series contending team...and that should be pretty obvious based on the inconsistency. No one contends for the WS if they don't make the playoffs. Okay. I'm talking about WINNING the title. That's it. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 13, 2024 21:57:54 GMT -8
So...after reading your post 4 times, anyone who gets in can win the title. That's pretty much what has been said by others on this thread. That's simply not the case. Atlanta in 2021 is the only sub-90 win team to win the title since the Giants won 88 games in 2014. The majority of teams over that timespan would be categorized as elite or close to it. Expanded playoffs make comparisons more difficult, but this isn't a World Series contending team...and that should be pretty obvious based on the inconsistency. A lot of inconsistency due to injuries though, not a lack of talent. Which leads me to believe that they can win a WS if everyone is back in time for the playoffs. The biggest question in my mind regarding that is, who are our aces? Cease in theory, King maybe (if he holds up with the increased workload)? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 13, 2024 21:59:32 GMT -8
Get in, and you never know. Get Tatis and Musgrove back on the back end, and make a run. It will feel like throwing in the towel if they're in playoff contention, which they are. A lot of those people paying, and selling out the stadium won't accept that. I doubt that's even in the back of their minds at this point. This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. Yep, every year we're not on track, or it doesn't look like we'll hit the 90 win mark at the deadline, we should trade for the next year, and give up on the current year. Thank goodness you're not the GM of the Padres. Yikes. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 22:05:18 GMT -8
That's simply not the case. Atlanta in 2021 is the only sub-90 win team to win the title since the Giants won 88 games in 2014. The majority of teams over that timespan would be categorized as elite or close to it. Expanded playoffs make comparisons more difficult, but this isn't a World Series contending team...and that should be pretty obvious based on the inconsistency. A lot of inconsistency due to injuries though, not a lack of talent. Which leads me to believe that they can win a WS if everyone is back in time for the playoffs. The biggest question in my mind regarding that is, who are our aces? Cease in theory, King maybe (if he holds up with the increased workload)? Injuries are a part of the game. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 22:06:03 GMT -8
This is pie in the sky stuff, front offices don't operate in that manner. Hope isn't a strategy. The goal is to win a title, not to make the playoffs. Yep, every year we're not on track, or it doesn't look like we'll hit the 90 win mark at the deadline, we should trade for the next year, and give up on the current year. Thank goodness you're not the GM of the Padres. Yikes. If that's what you interpreted, then...probably best to not participate. |
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