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Post by sdsuball on Jul 12, 2024 22:23:34 GMT -8
Who would you sell and what would you hope to get? Just try to restock the farm in some critical areas: Infield, corner outfield spots, upper-level left-handed arms. I'd explore anyone on a short-term deal. You could probably get a lot for Profar and Kim. It would feel like a waste of a season though to trade them away still in the thick of things. I think you make another move for a multiyear SP, trading Kim + a couple of prospects. Then I think you get really good when Tatis and Musgrove come back. You sneak into the playoffs, and then you have quite the rotation and lineup with everyone healthy/coming back (if Darvish comes back). You try to get another reliever as well if the price is reasonable. King, Waldron, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish. Honestly that's a pretty solid rotation for a 7 game series, assuming you go with the best 4 of them at that point in time. The SP that you get in the trade doesn't even have to be great - just someone solid with a 4 ERA and 3 years of team control, or something similar. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 12, 2024 23:45:32 GMT -8
Just try to restock the farm in some critical areas: Infield, corner outfield spots, upper-level left-handed arms. I'd explore anyone on a short-term deal. You could probably get a lot for Profar and Kim. It would feel like a waste of a season though to trade them away still in the thick of things. I think you make another move for a multiyear SP, trading Kim + a couple of prospects. Then I think you get really good when Tatis and Musgrove come back. You sneak into the playoffs, and then you have quite the rotation and lineup with everyone healthy/coming back (if Darvish comes back). You try to get another reliever as well if the price is reasonable. King, Waldron, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish. Honestly that's a pretty solid rotation for a 7 game series, assuming you go with the best 4 of them at that point in time. The SP that you get in the trade doesn't even have to be great - just someone solid with a 4 ERA and 3 years of team control, or something similar. Yes, you definitely do not trade away for 2025 at this point. It's not even conceivable. Like you said, and I said just the other day, you get Tatis back and Musgrove, and then you make a run for it. They should still be in the thick of the Wild Card race by trade deadline July 30th. Sure make a trade that makes sense for a starting pitcher, etc, that would be fantastic. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 7:32:48 GMT -8
Just try to restock the farm in some critical areas: Infield, corner outfield spots, upper-level left-handed arms. I'd explore anyone on a short-term deal. You could probably get a lot for Profar and Kim. It would feel like a waste of a season though to trade them away still in the thick of things. I think you make another move for a multiyear SP, trading Kim + a couple of prospects. Then I think you get really good when Tatis and Musgrove come back. You sneak into the playoffs, and then you have quite the rotation and lineup with everyone healthy/coming back (if Darvish comes back). You try to get another reliever as well if the price is reasonable. King, Waldron, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish. Honestly that's a pretty solid rotation for a 7 game series, assuming you go with the best 4 of them at that point in time. The SP that you get in the trade doesn't even have to be great - just someone solid with a 4 ERA and 3 years of team control, or something similar. They aren't a true contender, with Fernando missing extended time, no word on Darvish and Musgrove looking like he'll miss another month or more. Limited tax room, limited flexibility and underperforming along the way. Prices at the deadline are going to exorbitant and the resources are limited. They are well-positioned to get under the tax, re-tool and go for it in 2025. I know the fans don't care about that kind of stuff, being prisoners of the moment, but this isn't a World Series caliber team. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 13, 2024 7:41:36 GMT -8
You could probably get a lot for Profar and Kim. It would feel like a waste of a season though to trade them away still in the thick of things. I think you make another move for a multiyear SP, trading Kim + a couple of prospects. Then I think you get really good when Tatis and Musgrove come back. You sneak into the playoffs, and then you have quite the rotation and lineup with everyone healthy/coming back (if Darvish comes back). You try to get another reliever as well if the price is reasonable. King, Waldron, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish. Honestly that's a pretty solid rotation for a 7 game series, assuming you go with the best 4 of them at that point in time. The SP that you get in the trade doesn't even have to be great - just someone solid with a 4 ERA and 3 years of team control, or something similar. They aren't a true contender, with Fernando missing extended time, no word on Darvish and Musgrove looking like he'll miss another month or more. Limited tax room, limited flexibility and underperforming along the way. Prices at the deadline are going to exorbitant and the resources are limited. They are well-positioned to get under the tax, re-tool and go for it in 2025. I know the fans don't care about that kind of stuff, being prisoners of the moment, but this isn't a World Series caliber team. There's plenty of tax room since Darvish is out for a few months. How are they underperforming? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 8:07:58 GMT -8
They aren't a true contender, with Fernando missing extended time, no word on Darvish and Musgrove looking like he'll miss another month or more. Limited tax room, limited flexibility and underperforming along the way. Prices at the deadline are going to exorbitant and the resources are limited. They are well-positioned to get under the tax, re-tool and go for it in 2025. I know the fans don't care about that kind of stuff, being prisoners of the moment, but this isn't a World Series caliber team. There's plenty of tax room since Darvish is out for a few months. How are they underperforming? That doesn't give you "plenty of room" and if he's gone, then you have to fill that hole, too. If you have to ask how, then you haven't really been paying attention. This is now the fourth instance of a five game losing streak this year. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 13, 2024 9:11:09 GMT -8
There's plenty of tax room since Darvish is out for a few months. How are they underperforming? That doesn't give you "plenty of room" and if he's gone, then you have to fill that hole, too. If you have to ask how, then you haven't really been paying attention. This is now the fourth instance of a five game losing streak this year. You have to plug that hole for now, but you get him for the postseason which is nice. You don't go after an expensive one year rental, you go for a SP at a reasonable salary pre FA at the deadline. Keeping in mind that this team is over .500 with a significant number of injuries that they have been fighting through. |
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Post by junior on Jul 13, 2024 9:12:34 GMT -8
You could probably get a lot for Profar and Kim. It would feel like a waste of a season though to trade them away still in the thick of things. I think you make another move for a multiyear SP, trading Kim + a couple of prospects. Then I think you get really good when Tatis and Musgrove come back. You sneak into the playoffs, and then you have quite the rotation and lineup with everyone healthy/coming back (if Darvish comes back). You try to get another reliever as well if the price is reasonable. King, Waldron, Cease, Musgrove, Darvish. Honestly that's a pretty solid rotation for a 7 game series, assuming you go with the best 4 of them at that point in time. The SP that you get in the trade doesn't even have to be great - just someone solid with a 4 ERA and 3 years of team control, or something similar. They aren't a true contender, with Fernando missing extended time, no word on Darvish and Musgrove looking like he'll miss another month or more. Limited tax room, limited flexibility and underperforming along the way. Prices at the deadline are going to exorbitant and the resources are limited. They are well-positioned to get under the tax, re-tool and go for it in 2025. I know the fans don't care about that kind of stuff, being prisoners of the moment, but this isn't a World Series caliber team.100% - cut losses, build some depth, prepare for a better run next year. Let this season play out as is. With Junior's situation, and with the best 2/5 of the starting rotation on indeterminate hold, this team really isn't positioned well for the final three months. And that doesn't even include the inevitable injury or two that we can't even predict today - but will likely come into play before the end of the season. Be a part of the exorbitant pricing and get some return on a few players. Kim seems like a natural for any teams looking for some strength up the middle. The deadline might be the only way his value increases given his poor offensive performance so far this season. Fans will be unhappy, but they're going to be unhappy anyway since this team is going nowhere and getting there at light speed right now. Profar will command a big price - but it's hard to see them parting ways with him right now. Still, he's playing so far above his natural ceiling this season that an inevitable dive could begin any time now. Maybe not, but why not sell high while the market is hot. Buying high - if it doesn't come with some future upside in terms of player control - doesn't make any sense for this club right now. They're floundering. It's hard to imagine that one or two player acquisitions is going to make a bit of difference in their trajectory right now. Given the potential expense of any acquisitions - compared to the possible return - doesn't make much sense. AJP is a "Dealer"; he knows all of this already. Whether he gets enough freedom to pull some tough levers is still unknown given the current state of ownership. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 9:12:37 GMT -8
That doesn't give you "plenty of room" and if he's gone, then you have to fill that hole, too. If you have to ask how, then you haven't really been paying attention. This is now the fourth instance of a five game losing streak this year. You have to plug that hole for now, but you get him for the postseason which is nice. We have no idea if that's true or not. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 13, 2024 9:14:15 GMT -8
You have to plug that hole for now, but you get him for the postseason which is nice. We have no idea if that's true or not. We are already under the cap, and we are trading Kim in this scenario for a SP pre-FA. The math works out. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 9:18:40 GMT -8
We have no idea if that's true or not. We are already under the cap, and we are trading Kim in this scenario for a SP pre-FA. The math works out. They aren't trading Kim, though. And then you have a hole at shortstop that you created. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 13, 2024 9:57:58 GMT -8
We are already under the cap, and we are trading Kim in this scenario for a SP pre-FA. The math works out. They aren't trading Kim, though. And then you have a hole at shortstop that you created. We have Bogaerts last time I checked. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 10:12:27 GMT -8
They aren't trading Kim, though. And then you have a hole at shortstop that you created. We have Bogaerts last time I checked. So you want to move a guy coming off a fractured shoulder back to shortstop after we moved him off shortstop because his arm was already bad? Sounds like brilliance. |
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Post by docmm on Jul 13, 2024 14:14:27 GMT -8
Bogaerts broke his Left shoulder not his throwing one. And yes I know everything's connected and just maybe his Right arm has been somewhat affected.
Kim hasn't been the lights out Golden Glover he was last year. He's 8th in the NL in fielding % for SS. He's tied for the third highest number of SS errors in the NL and he's hitting .226.
I like him but if we could get a starter and a good reliever for him and a pretty good prospects, I'm in.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 14:37:58 GMT -8
Bogaerts broke his Left shoulder not his throwing one. And yes I know everything's connected and just maybe his Right arm has been somewhat affected. Kim hasn't been the lights out Golden Glover he was last year. He's 8th in the NL in fielding % for SS. He's tied for the third highest number of SS errors in the NL and he's hitting .226. I like him but if we could get a starter and a good reliever for him and a pretty good prospects, I'm in. They aren't trading him, though. |
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Post by docmm on Jul 13, 2024 15:01:18 GMT -8
Bogaerts broke his Left shoulder not his throwing one. And yes I know everything's connected and just maybe his Right arm has been somewhat affected. Kim hasn't been the lights out Golden Glover he was last year. He's 8th in the NL in fielding % for SS. He's tied for the third highest number of SS errors in the NL and he's hitting .226. I like him but if we could get a starter and a good reliever for him and a pretty good prospects, I'm in. They aren't trading him, though. Are you sure? He's going to be a lot more expensive next year and they have a number of SSs. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2024 15:11:27 GMT -8
They aren't trading him, though. Are you sure? He's going to be a lot more expensive next year and they have a number of SSs. He's not under contract next season, he has an opt-out. It'll be exercised. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2024 15:28:07 GMT -8
Bogaerts broke his Left shoulder not his throwing one. And yes I know everything's connected and just maybe his Right arm has been somewhat affected. Kim hasn't been the lights out Golden Glover he was last year. He's 8th in the NL in fielding % for SS. He's tied for the third highest number of SS errors in the NL and he's hitting .226. I like him but if we could get a starter and a good reliever for him and a pretty good prospects, I'm in. Interesting--you list all the issues Kim has this season, but then you think we could get a starter (which everyone is looking for), good reliever (which everyone is looking for), and a prospect(s) for a guy who isn't having a very good year. |
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Post by junior on Jul 13, 2024 15:32:49 GMT -8
Arraez trying to be aggressive - oh well. Inning's over.
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Post by junior on Jul 13, 2024 16:19:56 GMT -8
Knew today would be a pitcher's duel. Cease is dealing. Luckily De Los Suckos will not be available and Suarez will. This game could well end up that close.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 13, 2024 16:27:03 GMT -8
Bogaerts broke his Left shoulder not his throwing one. And yes I know everything's connected and just maybe his Right arm has been somewhat affected. Kim hasn't been the lights out Golden Glover he was last year. He's 8th in the NL in fielding % for SS. He's tied for the third highest number of SS errors in the NL and he's hitting .226. I like him but if we could get a starter and a good reliever for him and a pretty good prospects, I'm in. They aren't trading him, though. They aren't trading him... yet you propose that we trade everyone on a short term deal. Okay. |
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