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Post by johneaztec on Feb 26, 2024 19:04:15 GMT -8
Death is a real possibility. So is a non-death health event, such as a stroke or heart attack. That is part of the reason why M Obama, Newsom, and Harris have betting odds. There is also the possibility that Biden performs so poorly in public speaking between now and November that the party convinces him to step down from the presidential bid. Absolutely not happening. Should, but probably won't. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 19:13:00 GMT -8
Absolutely not happening. Should, but probably won't. The results can't hear you. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 26, 2024 19:38:46 GMT -8
Should, but probably won't. The results can't hear you. There are MANY in our Country who do hear me. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 19:45:22 GMT -8
The results can't hear you. There are MANY in our Country who do hear me. And just like when you say that constantly...it means nothing. Results > Opinions. Now, tomorrow, next week and into eternity. If we were dealing with "should" - The Republicans "should" do the right thing and nominate an actual candidate who isn't under indictment and facing decades in prison. Should died a long time ago. Results are what matters. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 26, 2024 20:08:55 GMT -8
There are MANY in our Country who do hear me. And just like when you say that constantly...it means nothing. Results > Opinions. Now, tomorrow, next week and into eternity. If we were dealing with "should" - The Republicans "should" do the right thing and nominate an actual candidate who isn't under indictment and facing decades in prison. Should died a long time ago. Results are what matters. Both Trump and Biden are not good candidates. Should, meaning they both should not be running for a variety of reasons. It's not that difficult. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 20:16:00 GMT -8
And just like when you say that constantly...it means nothing. Results > Opinions. Now, tomorrow, next week and into eternity. If we were dealing with "should" - The Republicans "should" do the right thing and nominate an actual candidate who isn't under indictment and facing decades in prison. Should died a long time ago. Results are what matters. Both Trump and Biden are not good candidates. Should, meaning they both should not be running for a variety of reasons. It's not that difficult. I don't subscribe to that. Biden has had an extremely productive first term. As long as he continues to do that, the rest of it isn't something I tend to lose sleep over. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 26, 2024 20:22:17 GMT -8
There are MANY in our Country who do hear me. And just like when you say that constantly...it means nothing. Results > Opinions. Now, tomorrow, next week and into eternity. If we were dealing with "should" - The Republicans "should" do the right thing and nominate an actual candidate who isn't under indictment and facing decades in prison. Should died a long time ago. Results are what matters. If Trump isn’t allowed to run under those circumstances, then ANY candidate regardless of party affiliation could be disqualified by legal challenges from the opposition party. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 20:27:08 GMT -8
And just like when you say that constantly...it means nothing. Results > Opinions. Now, tomorrow, next week and into eternity. If we were dealing with "should" - The Republicans "should" do the right thing and nominate an actual candidate who isn't under indictment and facing decades in prison. Should died a long time ago. Results are what matters. If Trump isn’t allowed to run under those circumstances, then ANY candidate regardless of party affiliation could be disqualified by legal challenges from the opposition party. I was speaking in general terms and out of actual common sense. The Constitution is clear, in so far as the Framers not envisioning a president being under indictment for 90+ felonies. The Republicans were never going to nominate anyone else, despite how unpopular Trump is within their own party. It's their pathway to relevance and power. Only the 14th Amendment disqualifies someone from holding office, in practical terms, not yet enforced by the justice system. While it's pretty clear he shouldn't be allowed to run based on his actions, the political reality is far more complicated. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 20:42:47 GMT -8
And just like when you say that constantly...it means nothing. Results > Opinions. Now, tomorrow, next week and into eternity. If we were dealing with "should" - The Republicans "should" do the right thing and nominate an actual candidate who isn't under indictment and facing decades in prison. Should died a long time ago. Results are what matters. If Trump isn’t allowed to run under those circumstances, then ANY candidate regardless of party affiliation could be disqualified by legal challenges from the opposition party. As a basic point of fact, I don't think anyone who invites violence to overturn an election should be allowed to run for any office. I don't think someone who openly denies they lost an election, while simultaneously filing legal motions that indicate the opposite should be allowed to run for office. I don't believe someone who is under indictment for committing violations of the Espionage Act should be able to run for office. None of those things actually have any influence on the *legality* of Trump running for office, though. |
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 26, 2024 22:17:57 GMT -8
Death is a real possibility. So is a non-death health event, such as a stroke or heart attack. That is part of the reason why M Obama, Newsom, and Harris have betting odds. There is also the possibility that Biden performs so poorly in public speaking between now and November that the party convinces him to step down from the presidential bid. Absolutely not happening. Both of them are in their 80's, look at the statistics for heart attacks and strokes at their ages and get back to me. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 22:23:09 GMT -8
Absolutely not happening. Both of them are in their 80's, look at the statistics for heart attacks and strokes at their ages and get back to me. I know all about it, my dad was 61, his dad was 77. I was mainly referring to Biden being replaced by the establishment. Anything can happen to anyone at any time, certainly. But the conspiracies about Biden being asked to step down are silly in favor of Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom are silly. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 26, 2024 22:27:35 GMT -8
If Trump isn’t allowed to run under those circumstances, then ANY candidate regardless of party affiliation could be disqualified by legal challenges from the opposition party. As a basic point of fact, I don't think anyone who invites violence to overturn an election should be allowed to run for any office. I don't think someone who openly denies they lost an election, while simultaneously filing legal motions that indicate the opposite should be allowed to run for office. I don't believe someone who is under indictment for committing violations of the Espionage Act should be able to run for office. None of those things actually have any influence on the *legality* of Trump running for office, though. That is the Democrat point of view. A partisan interpretation of events and the law, ruled on by Democrats. Truth is, they don’t want him running and are seeking to torpedo Trump’s candidacy by any means necessary. Mishandling of documents. Influence peddling to foreign powers. The 25th Amendment. President Biden has his own issues, chiefly his wits. His incompetence in Ukraine, Afghanistan, and Israel, along with our porous border and sky high cost-of-living are all his problems. 10 million people just illegally walked across our southern border the past 3 years. Biden has been a horrible president. Only the stupidest of people will believe their spin that everything is OK. |
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 26, 2024 22:31:27 GMT -8
Both of them are in their 80's, look at the statistics for heart attacks and strokes at their ages and get back to me. I know all about it, my dad was 61, his dad was 77. I was mainly referring to Biden being replaced by the establishment. Anything can happen to anyone at any time, certainly. But the conspiracies about Biden being asked to step down are silly in favor of Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom are silly. Maybe it is silly. It seems plausable. Or at least, Gavin Newsom thinks it's plausible. He's definitely angling for the White House (now or 2028). |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 22:40:37 GMT -8
As a basic point of fact, I don't think anyone who invites violence to overturn an election should be allowed to run for any office. I don't think someone who openly denies they lost an election, while simultaneously filing legal motions that indicate the opposite should be allowed to run for office. I don't believe someone who is under indictment for committing violations of the Espionage Act should be able to run for office. None of those things actually have any influence on the *legality* of Trump running for office, though. That is the Democrat point of view. A partisan interpretation of events and the law, ruled on by Democrats. Truth is, they don’t want him running and are seeking to torpedo Trump’s candidacy by any means necessary. Mishandling of documents. Influence peddling to foreign powers. The 25th Amendment. President Biden has his own issues, chiefly his wits. His incompetence in Ukraine, Afghanistan, and Israel, along with our porous border and sky high cost-of-living are all his problems. 10 million people just illegally walked across our southern border the past 3 years. Biden has been a horrible president. Only the stupidest of people will believe their spin that everything is OK. Everything is partisan to some degree. If you fundamentally deny Trump's involvement in January 6th (something he himself has admitted multiple times now) I'm not sure what to tell you. It's a losing argument, devoid of reality. Democrats absolutely want Trump to run - He's going to lose the popular vote (again) and his power is waning throughout private circles. Everyone wants to kiss the ring publicly, but he's despised by many, many Republicans behind the curtain. I won't rehash Biden's accomplishments, the record speaks for itself. More importantly, he's not under indictment. He's had a successful first term (despite what Fox will tell you, even though they are starting to even acknowledge it) and currently presides over a rebuilt and thriving economy. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 22:41:04 GMT -8
I know all about it, my dad was 61, his dad was 77. I was mainly referring to Biden being replaced by the establishment. Anything can happen to anyone at any time, certainly. But the conspiracies about Biden being asked to step down are silly in favor of Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom are silly. Maybe it is silly. It seems plausable. Or at least, Gavin Newsom thinks it's plausible. He's definitely angling for the White House (now or 2028). That has no bearing on this election at all. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2024 23:12:19 GMT -8
As a basic point of fact, I don't think anyone who invites violence to overturn an election should be allowed to run for any office. I don't think someone who openly denies they lost an election, while simultaneously filing legal motions that indicate the opposite should be allowed to run for office. I don't believe someone who is under indictment for committing violations of the Espionage Act should be able to run for office. None of those things actually have any influence on the *legality* of Trump running for office, though. That is the Democrat point of view. A partisan interpretation of events and the law, ruled on by Democrats. Truth is, they don’t want him running and are seeking to torpedo Trump’s candidacy by any means necessary. Mishandling of documents. Influence peddling to foreign powers. The 25th Amendment. President Biden has his own issues, chiefly his wits. His incompetence in Ukraine, Afghanistan, and Israel, along with our porous border and sky high cost-of-living are all his problems. 10 million people just illegally walked across our southern border the past 3 years. Biden has been a horrible president. Only the stupidest of people will believe their spin that everything is OK. If you were shown video evidence of Trump spreading debunked conspiracy theories about the 2020 election, along with quotes where Trump acknowledges he lost the election....would you believe it? |
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 27, 2024 1:09:28 GMT -8
That is the Democrat point of view. A partisan interpretation of events and the law, ruled on by Democrats. Truth is, they don’t want him running and are seeking to torpedo Trump’s candidacy by any means necessary. Mishandling of documents. Influence peddling to foreign powers. The 25th Amendment. President Biden has his own issues, chiefly his wits. His incompetence in Ukraine, Afghanistan, and Israel, along with our porous border and sky high cost-of-living are all his problems. 10 million people just illegally walked across our southern border the past 3 years. Biden has been a horrible president. Only the stupidest of people will believe their spin that everything is OK. If you were shown video evidence of Trump spreading debunked conspiracy theories about the 2020 election, along with quotes where Trump acknowledges he lost the election....would you believe it? I would probably still be skeptical. Pretty much everything on TV spread by the Democrat version of the “news” is very misleading and skewed to a certain POV. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 27, 2024 8:40:25 GMT -8
If you were shown video evidence of Trump spreading debunked conspiracy theories about the 2020 election, along with quotes where Trump acknowledges he lost the election....would you believe it? I would probably still be skeptical. Pretty much everything on TV spread by the Democrat version of the “news” is very misleading and skewed to a certain POV. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. You have to drop this ridiculous victim complex. Here's Donald Trump himself spreading election conspiracies on Fox News just a handful of days ago. No spin, no Democrat hoax. Here's Trump's own attorney stating he lost the 2020 election and everyone was aware of it, ironically while pursuing a case about the election. This isn't a hard concept. All media has bias to it. That does NOT mean all media is false. Many of Trump's legal filings for his indictments have stated he lost the election. Why? Because you can't bring false information to a court hearing - It's a crime. You can't introduce false evidence to a case - It's a crime. Lawyers can be sanctioned and disbarred. Basic point of fact - He lost the election. He tried to have the result overturned by force. Reconcile those two things. |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 27, 2024 10:38:18 GMT -8
I would probably still be skeptical. Pretty much everything on TV spread by the Democrat version of the “news” is very misleading and skewed to a certain POV. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. You have to drop this ridiculous victim complex. Here's Donald Trump himself spreading election conspiracies on Fox News just a handful of days ago. No spin, no Democrat hoax. Here's Trump's own attorney stating he lost the 2020 election and everyone was aware of it, ironically while pursuing a case about the election. This isn't a hard concept. All media has bias to it. That does NOT mean all media is false. Many of Trump's legal filings for his indictments have stated he lost the election. Why? Because you can't bring false information to a court hearing - It's a crime. You can't introduce false evidence to a case - It's a crime. Lawyers can be sanctioned and disbarred. Basic point of fact - He lost the election. He tried to have the result overturned by force. Reconcile those two things. Of course, but what percentage of Americans are capable of critical thought? He has found an audience that is as easy to manipulate as silly putty. If trump told the cult that the moon landing was faked, I bet at least 50% of them would go all in. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 10:57:09 GMT -8
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