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Post by sdsuball on Oct 10, 2023 20:31:41 GMT -8
I don't know. It really depends on how you view the blockade. You could argue that what Israel and Egypt have done is an act of war for what they have done to the people in Gaza. Hamas would be justified in attacking Israel's military (not Israeli citizens), but Israel's military is far to strong to win an actual war against them. So instead they attacked Israel using guerrilla warfare tactics. Attacking Israeli citizens is obviously wrong, but so is the 15 year blockade. Guerrilla warfare is Hamas's only hope to end the blockade - winning a conventional war against Israel is near impossible. In 2007, Hamas defeated Fatah and gained control. Israel implemented a blockade after this occured to protect Israelis from Hamas.That doesn't make the blockade justifiable. Blockading Gaza to protect Israel at the expense of the Palestinians living there without clean drinking water, living in poverty and constantly getting bombed by Israel is the equivalent of imprisoning all of Los Angeles because the Crips and Blood gangs are located in LA. You're talking about the imprisonment of 2 million people for 15 years, without basic human health needs, and not allowing them to visit their families outside of the Gaza Strip. That's worse then the conditions in United States prisons, and the vast majority of Gaza citizens have not committed any crime deserving of such a punishment. So who are the real terrorists here? |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 20:54:06 GMT -8
In 2007, Hamas defeated Fatah and gained control. Israel implemented a blockade after this occured to protect Israelis from Hamas.That doesn't make the blockade justifiable. Blockading Gaza to protect Israel at the expense of the Palestinians living there without clean drinking water, living in poverty and constantly getting bombed by Israel is the equivalent of imprisoning all of Los Angeles because the Crips and Blood gangs are located in LA. You're talking about the imprisonment of 2 million people for 15 years, without basic human health needs, and not allowing them to visit their families outside of the Gaza Strip. That's worse then the conditions in United States prisons, and the vast majority of Gaza citizens have not committed any crime deserving of such a punishment. So who are the real terrorists here? If the blockade wasn't there, Hamas would have free reign to come and go across the strip. There's no way they can take that chance. They look like every day citizens when they want to and will commit suicide bombings, which they have at will. You can't tell them apart. I wouldn't compare Hamas to the crips and bloods. Not even close. Hamas are the ones that put their own people in jeopardy by commiting these heinous acts of rape, torture, mutilation and murder. They didn't care that there would be retaliation. They don't care about their own people. Here's another more realistic scenario. Imagine the United States keeping a neighboring border open when they know it's controlled by the Taliban, Hamas, et al. They're right across from it. It wouldn't happen. It's a VERY unfortunate situation for the innocent people on BOTH sides. It's unfortunate for the citizens of Palestine that it's run by a terrorist organization. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 10, 2023 22:14:07 GMT -8
Trump was very adversarial towards Hamas, ISIS, Ansar Bayt ect. The Biden Administration has had a lighter touch, deciding to give peace a chance to work, relaxing sanctions ect. If I were President Biden, I would be furious with the betrayal of his benevolent peaceful policies, and his speech today pretty much reflected that, even though it was a couple of days late. I believe we need to be on the koi for similar activity on our own soil. We have had “relaxed” security on our Southern border for 2+ years, allowing whomever to spill into our neighborhoods unchecked. It’s not just about families of Hondurans, Nicaraguans or Venezuelans coming into the USA, God bless those people as they just want to be a part of the American success story, but the uncontrolled sleeper agents who are sneaking into country ready and able to blow something or someone to kingdom come. The relaxed security on our border is a political policy designed and supported by weak people. For our country’s security, our borders need to be secured. For the board's peace of mind and brain cell retention, you should stop posting. Coming from someone whose opinions are generally proven to be wrong, you should probably take your own advice. You are a weak person who votes for weak politicians and weak policies. Biden, the weakest most corrupt president in the history of the United States…..that’s your guy. Biden, a career politician who can’t go 3 sentences without a gaff or an outright lie……that’s who you identify with. I trust Trump’s word over Biden nearly 100%. Biden is a career politician hence, the stereotypical liar. Trump is a business magnate, there is no way anyone can be successful in this country in multiple business ventures dealing with millions of dollars by being a liar. It’s just not possible. In the business world, one intentional shady deal means other businesses organizations will begin to avoid, ostracize and steer clear of doing business with your company. Trump has been involved in hundreds of business deals and ventures in his career. If he was a known liar like your atypical politicians, there would be no way in hell he could have had the successful business he had. Two bad deals and Trump would have been done in the business world by age 31. You have bought the liberal demonization of Trump (the political outsider) hook line and sinker. You believe the liar politicians who lie for a living. Truth is truth…and you have been duped. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 22:19:35 GMT -8
Bottom line is that there is no justifying what Hamas did. It was not going to be productive and it was to the detriment of their own people. They're radicals who don't give a crap about repercussions to their own people.
Hamas cut the heads off of BABIES!!! Raped women in this invasion. Amongst MANY other atrocities.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 10, 2023 22:26:12 GMT -8
Bottom line is that there is no justifying what Hamas did. It was not going to be productive and it was to the detriment of their own people. They're radicals who don't give a crap about repercussions to their own people. Hamas cut the heads off of BABIES!!! Raped women in this invasion. Amongst MANY other atrocities. Absolutely. There is a segment of the population in our country who actually supports and celebrates what Hamas has done. If you are one of those people, may the Lord have mercy on your soul. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 22:33:46 GMT -8
Bottom line is that there is no justifying what Hamas did. It was not going to be productive and it was to the detriment of their own people. They're radicals who don't give a crap about repercussions to their own people. Hamas cut the heads off of BABIES!!! Raped women in this invasion. Amongst MANY other atrocities. Absolutely. There is a segment of the population in our country who actually supports and celebrates what Hamas has done. If you are one of those people, may the Lord have mercy on your soul. Yes. Amen. For anybody to be in favor of what they just did, is horrendous. Do people actually think that what Hamas did was going to gain peace amongst the two? Come on now. Hamas did it any way, knowing that it wouldn't and that it would hurt the Palestine people and set it back even further. Think about that. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 10, 2023 23:18:18 GMT -8
That doesn't make the blockade justifiable. Blockading Gaza to protect Israel at the expense of the Palestinians living there without clean drinking water, living in poverty and constantly getting bombed by Israel is the equivalent of imprisoning all of Los Angeles because the Crips and Blood gangs are located in LA. You're talking about the imprisonment of 2 million people for 15 years, without basic human health needs, and not allowing them to visit their families outside of the Gaza Strip. That's worse then the conditions in United States prisons, and the vast majority of Gaza citizens have not committed any crime deserving of such a punishment. So who are the real terrorists here? If the blockade wasn't there, Hamas would have free reign to come and go across the strip. There's no way they can take that chance. They look like every day citizens when they want to and will commit suicide bombings, which they have at will. You can't tell them apart. Here's another more realistic scenario. Imagine the United States keeping a neighboring border open when they know it's controlled by the Taliban, Hamas, et al. They're right across from it. It wouldn't happen. It is a privilege to have the ability to make millions of people suffer in order to prevent the possibility of a few people suffering in your own country. It's a privilege that most countries do not have. Just because the US would do the same doesn't make it 'right'. That's what we did by invading the Middle East. We made millions of people suffer in order to prevent the possibility of a few people suffering in our own country at the hands of terrorists. How many people did we kill in order to kill Bin Laden? They could at least let people fly into and out of Gaza (without entering Israel). They could at least let trade flow in and out of Gaza. They could at least not bomb the $#!+ out of Gaza. They could do a lot more, even if they didn't want Palestinians entering Israel (or Egypt as the case may be). |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 23:46:34 GMT -8
If the blockade wasn't there, Hamas would have free reign to come and go across the strip. There's no way they can take that chance. They look like every day citizens when they want to and will commit suicide bombings, which they have at will. You can't tell them apart. Here's another more realistic scenario. Imagine the United States keeping a neighboring border open when they know it's controlled by the Taliban, Hamas, et al. They're right across from it. It wouldn't happen. It is a privilege to have the ability to make millions of people suffer in order to prevent the possibility of a few people suffering in your own country. It's a privilege that most countries do not have. Just because the US would do the same doesn't make it 'right'. That's what we did by invading the Middle East. We made millions of people suffer in order to prevent the possibility of a few people suffering in our own country at the hands of terrorists. How many people did we kill in order to kill Bin Laden? They could at least let people fly into and out of Gaza (without entering Israel). They could at least let trade flow in and out of Gaza. They could at least not bomb the $#!+ out of Gaza. They could do a lot more, even if they didn't want Palestinians entering Israel (or Egypt as the case may be). I can agree that they can do less in terms of bombing, and the same goes for Hamas, as well. Or, Hamas could have not done anything at all. The problem with letting people pass through the border is that there's no way to know if they're Hamas , or not. They walk around as civilians. If there's a way, then I agree with you. I'm not for any innocent people getting hurt. Also, don't forget 9/11. There were a lot of good reasons to do whatever it took to get Bin Laden. |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 11, 2023 5:02:50 GMT -8
For the board's peace of mind and brain cell retention, you should stop posting. Coming from someone whose opinions are generally proven to be wrong, you should probably take your own advice. You are a weak person who votes for weak politicians and weak policies. Biden, the weakest most corrupt president in the history of the United States…..that’s your guy. Biden, a career politician who can’t go 3 sentences without a gaff or an outright lie……that’s who you identify with. I trust Trump’s word over Biden nearly 100%. Biden is a career politician hence, the stereotypical liar. Trump is a business magnate, there is no way anyone can be successful in this country in multiple business ventures dealing with millions of dollars by being a liar. It’s just not possible. In the business world, one intentional shady deal means other businesses organizations will begin to avoid, ostracize and steer clear of doing business with your company. Trump has been involved in hundreds of business deals and ventures in his career. If he was a known liar like your atypical politicians, there would be no way in hell he could have had the successful business he had. Two bad deals and Trump would have been done in the business world by age 31. You have bought the liberal demonization of Trump (the political outsider) hook line and sinker. You believe the liar politicians who lie for a living. Truth is truth…and you have been dooped. Geez, did you graduate from trump University? Talk about being duped. Would you like a few quotes from his former employees? trump doesn't lie (or ever admit he has). He says he didn't bang Stormy...so why did Cohen go to jail? ps, I don't care if he did ..he has never told the truth in his life. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2023 8:55:25 GMT -8
For the board's peace of mind and brain cell retention, you should stop posting. Coming from someone whose opinions are generally proven to be wrong, you should probably take your own advice. You are a weak person who votes for weak politicians and weak policies. Biden, the weakest most corrupt president in the history of the United States…..that’s your guy. Biden, a career politician who can’t go 3 sentences without a gaff or an outright lie……that’s who you identify with. I trust Trump’s word over Biden nearly 100%. Biden is a career politician hence, the stereotypical liar. Trump is a business magnate, there is no way anyone can be successful in this country in multiple business ventures dealing with millions of dollars by being a liar. It’s just not possible. In the business world, one intentional shady deal means other businesses organizations will begin to avoid, ostracize and steer clear of doing business with your company. Trump has been involved in hundreds of business deals and ventures in his career. If he was a known liar like your atypical politicians, there would be no way in hell he could have had the successful business he had. Two bad deals and Trump would have been done in the business world by age 31. You have bought the liberal demonization of Trump (the political outsider) hook line and sinker. You believe the liar politicians who lie for a living. Truth is truth…and you have been dooped. An opinion can't be wrong.....that's what makes it an opinion. If you want to talk about being wrong, I mean, really? You lie with almost every post and then shrug when asked about it. You repeat the same diatribe with every post - Open border (Wrong), impeachment (wrong), Biden this and that (wrong), Trump nonsense (usually always a bad idea)....it's the same cult-induced, naive, uninformed thoughts every time. I am the furthest thing from a weak person. You. Are. In. A. Cult. That's the epitome of being weak - You have no escape hatch. No independent thought. No ability to decipher reality. No idea of context, critical reasoning, logic or the truth. You just absorb bull$#!+ 24/7 and then come on here and repeat it. You are the poster child for weakness.....because you've already lost. This isn't about Trump versus Biden. You should know that. The fact you don't? Sad. Disturbing. Manipulated (and easily at that)....You've already been screwed by the information vacuum. I could give zero $#!+ about Biden. I'm not some ideologue. He wouldn't be my first choice, my second choice or my third choice as a nominee in a Democrat field. That's what makes us different. You trust the word of a serial fraud. A rapist. A career con artist who has preyed on everyone he's ever come into contact with. A man that literally walked into a room of teenage girls undressing and bragged about it. That's sick, no? The assertion that Biden is the most corrupt president in history, besides being laughably stupid, ignores common sense and history. We're not laughing with you, we aren't even laughing at you. We just feel sorry that you're so incredibly lost as a human that you're siding with one of the most vile humans to ever represent this country. You get more delusional with every paragraph. You'd think Trump is Warren Buffett, the Oracle of Asshole. Here, on Earth, he's a fraud. You realize, hold on, make sure you're sitting down....his organization was just ordered to dissolve because he knowingly committed fraud? I mean I would not expect you to grasp that, but it just happened. Not the liberal media, not the tooth fairy, but Donald Trump himself did that. Back to you regularly scheduled cultist programming for the day you go. Make sure you pack a lunch. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2023 9:01:09 GMT -8
Bottom line is that there is no justifying what Hamas did. It was not going to be productive and it was to the detriment of their own people. They're radicals who don't give a crap about repercussions to their own people. Hamas cut the heads off of BABIES!!! Raped women in this invasion. Amongst MANY other atrocities. Absolutely. There is a segment of the population in our country who actually supports and celebrates what Hamas has done. If you are one of those people, may the Lord have mercy on your soul. Oops. www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-israel-intel-russia-hamas-attack-1833094%3famp=1Oops again. But you'll casually ignore that through your crocodile tears. While yet to be 100% proven, there's a strong possibility, connecting the intelligence dots that Trump was the proxy that set these wheels in motion. Putin pulled the strings, Iran executed the play. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 11, 2023 10:37:48 GMT -8
It is a privilege to have the ability to make millions of people suffer in order to prevent the possibility of a few people suffering in your own country. It's a privilege that most countries do not have. Just because the US would do the same doesn't make it 'right'. That's what we did by invading the Middle East. We made millions of people suffer in order to prevent the possibility of a few people suffering in our own country at the hands of terrorists. How many people did we kill in order to kill Bin Laden? They could at least let people fly into and out of Gaza (without entering Israel). They could at least let trade flow in and out of Gaza. They could at least not bomb the $#!+ out of Gaza. They could do a lot more, even if they didn't want Palestinians entering Israel (or Egypt as the case may be). I can agree that they can do less in terms of bombing, and the same goes for Hamas, as well. Or, Hamas could have not done anything at all. The problem with letting people pass through the border is that there's no way to know if they're Hamas , or not. They walk around as civilians. If there's a way, then I agree with you. I'm not for any innocent people getting hurt. Also, don't forget 9/11. There were a lot of good reasons to do whatever it took to get Bin Laden.But what I'm saying is that (in my opinion) it wasn't worth it to get him. I honestly think that the only solution to this problem is to have the entire region (Israel/Gaza/Jerusalem) governed and/or occupied by UN peacekeepers, with open movement of people, goods and services. Israel cannot govern their region without killing and harming Palestinians. Gaza will never stop attacking Israel and killing Israelis, especially when they are being choked by a 15 year blockade. Neither side is willing to back down. It was a mistake to create Israel. The only way to end this is to make the entire region free for anyone to occupy, regardless of their religious affiliation. Period. Let the UN govern it, as Britain governed Palestine previously. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 11, 2023 10:57:04 GMT -8
I can agree that they can do less in terms of bombing, and the same goes for Hamas, as well. Or, Hamas could have not done anything at all. The problem with letting people pass through the border is that there's no way to know if they're Hamas , or not. They walk around as civilians. If there's a way, then I agree with you. I'm not for any innocent people getting hurt. Also, don't forget 9/11. There were a lot of good reasons to do whatever it took to get Bin Laden.But what I'm saying is that (in my opinion) it wasn't worth it to get him. I honestly think that the only solution to this problem is to have the entire region (Israel/Gaza/Jerusalem) governed and/or occupied by UN peacekeepers, with open movement of people, goods and services. Israel cannot govern their region without killing and harming Palestinians. Gaza will never stop attacking Israel and killing Israelis, especially when they are being choked by a 15 year blockade. Neither side is willing to back down. It was a mistake to create Israel. The only way to end this is to make the entire region free for anyone to occupy, regardless of their religious affiliation. Period. Let the UN govern it, as Britain governed Palestine previously. I do agree with you on the fact that the best solution would be to have one Nation, including all three regions governed by peace keepers. I've heard that before, and I like it, but I doubt it ever happens, unfortunately. Also, I think it's necessary, in some situations, to set an example, which is very unfortunate. Otherwise, the message is never very clear to the perpetrators. It happens quite often in the courthouse. Examples are made out of people all the time to try and deter from having future problems. On another note, Israel says the blockade is necessary to stop arms from flowing into Hamas hands. Tough situation. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 11, 2023 11:35:51 GMT -8
I see you are back to attacking Trump, parroting the liberal Dem lie. You obviously cannot defend Biden and his failed policies and which have led to the resurgence of Iran and the current chaos. Levin has it 100% right. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 11, 2023 11:58:09 GMT -8
In 1988, Hamas made a convenant about what they think of Jews/Israel and what they want to do them/it. Check it out. It's straight from the minds of the Taliban. It talks about not only the land, but also their religion. So, to Hamas, it IS about religion, as well.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2023 12:50:33 GMT -8
I see you are back to attacking Trump, parroting the liberal Dem lie. You obviously cannot defend Biden and his failed policies and which have led to the resurgence of Iran and the current chaos. Levin has it 100% right. Proof that you're nothing but a bored troll. You spend pages attacking Biden, I'm lendiing context to this topic because it doesn't take a genius to connect information. If you want failed policies, start with the Abraham Accords. |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 11, 2023 13:16:31 GMT -8
I see you are back to attacking Trump, parroting the liberal Dem lie. You obviously cannot defend Biden and his failed policies and which have led to the resurgence of Iran and the current chaos. Levin has it 100% right. Message to Musician.. nobody is going to click on that humorless toad Levin. Just like nobody is going to click on Hannity, Ingraham etc. They are grifters making money off the braindead. You know what these people are going to say without even listening. You started this thread as bait until you could go into troll mode... it didn't take long. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2023 14:47:29 GMT -8
Bottom line is that there is no justifying what Hamas did. It was not going to be productive and it was to the detriment of their own people. They're radicals who don't give a crap about repercussions to their own people. Hamas cut the heads off of BABIES!!! Raped women in this invasion. Amongst MANY other atrocities. Absolutely. There is a segment of the population in our country who actually supports and celebrates what Hamas has done. If you are one of those people, may the Lord have mercy on your soul. You mean like this person? |
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 11, 2023 15:07:13 GMT -8
Absolutely. There is a segment of the population in our country who actually supports and celebrates what Hamas has done. If you are one of those people, may the Lord have mercy on your soul. You mean like this person? I’m not sure what that little excerpt demonstrates, other than your lack of focus. Under Trump, we had peace. Under Biden we have war, chaos and invigorated terrorists. Biden’s energy policies have made Iran (and its petroleum) great again. Biden’s administration was worried about the sky falling, and completely ignored the legitimate terrorist threats we are now looking at. They can’t even say the words “Iran is complicit and responsible?” Imagine during WW II FDR not calling out Hitler for the fall of France and slaughtering of Jews? |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Oct 11, 2023 15:09:19 GMT -8
Bottom line is that there is no justifying what Hamas did. It was not going to be productive and it was to the detriment of their own people. They're radicals who don't give a crap about repercussions to their own people. Hamas cut the heads off of BABIES!!! Raped women in this invasion. Amongst MANY other atrocities. Israel is currently blowing the heads off babies with all the indiscriminate bombing of populated areas...innocent mothers, fathers, sister, brothers, cousins and grandmas are being destroyed...the Israeli-friendly media doesn't want that narrative out...Israel's final solution to the Palestinian problem...that it created back in 1948...is to starve out innocents in the Israeli-run Gaza concentration camp...collective punishment that deprives a whole population...the necessary food, water and medicine it needs...pretty soon videos of Palestinians with emaciated bodies will be on our 75-inch tvs...and Israel and its supporters will justify the war crimes just as the Germans did. It is easy to overlook the history of the region...who did what to whom back before history was written...results in what is happening today...I actually took an undergrad class on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict...the professor told us we know more about the issue than 75 percent of those who serve in congress...what most know about it is what they see on television...Israeli-friendly television networks and its representatives pose, sketch, colorize and frame the portrait as Israel being the victims in the public's mind...by and large the portrait television paints of Palestinians is one of evil...it demonizes them...it does so because when US-made F-35s war-crimes them...it makes the atrocity legitimate...leading one to conclude Palestinians are totally at fault and deserving of the hardships/lifestyle they experience...just like the Germans did...Israel is NOT the victim in all this...they've done plenty to deserve retaliatory strikes...and the word terrorism has no meaning in this conflict backed by US tax dollars.
History of Israel-Palestine Conflictwww.youtube.com/watch?v=m19F4IHTVGcBy the way...Israel created Hamas...it did so to topple Arafat...it created the monster:
Blowback: How Israel Helped Create Hamaswww.youtube.com/watch?v=o7grSsuFSS0 |
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