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Post by johneaztec on Aug 15, 2024 17:26:32 GMT -8
Ditto for Hamas sympathizers. Newborn Twins Killed in Israel's Offensive in Gaza as Their Dad Went to Get Their Birth Certificates"Mohamed Abu Al-Qomasan waited to collect the birth certificates of his days-old twins, he learned the newborns and his wife had been killed in what local officials and witnesses said was an Israeli strike." " The children he and his wife had welcomed to the world just four days ago had been killed, along with their mother, Joumana Arafa, and the twins' maternal grandmother." www.nbcnews.com/news/world/newborn-twins-gaza-killed-israel-father-birth-certificate-rcna166514john and his ilk approve of killing innocent "would-be" Hamas babies in their cribs.... You couldn't be further from the truth, but I'll throw out some truth serum for you. Bnasty (name fits), and his Cronies, approves of the raping, kidnapping, torturing, baby killing, and much much more horrendous things Hamas, unfortunately, enjoys doing.....
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 15, 2024 17:27:56 GMT -8
Newborn Twins Killed in Israel's Offensive in Gaza as Their Dad Went to Get Their Birth Certificates"Mohamed Abu Al-Qomasan waited to collect the birth certificates of his days-old twins, he learned the newborns and his wife had been killed in what local officials and witnesses said was an Israeli strike." " The children he and his wife had welcomed to the world just four days ago had been killed, along with their mother, Joumana Arafa, and the twins' maternal grandmother." www.nbcnews.com/news/world/newborn-twins-gaza-killed-israel-father-birth-certificate-rcna166514john and his ilk approve of killing innocent "would-be" Hamas babies in their cribs.... You couldn't be further from the truth, but I'll throw out some truth serum for you. Bnasty (name fits), and his Cronies, approves of the raping, kidnapping, torturing, baby killing, and much much more horrendous things Hamas, unfortunately, enjoys doing..... Nobody actually believes that.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 15, 2024 20:59:17 GMT -8
If Israel is so evil, as some of you insist that it is, how can we, in good conscience, continue to support it? Why would we not do everything in our power to help destroy the government of Israel? I don't think one can straddle the fence on this issue. One cannot stand back and do nothing when a vile state has committed the kind of terrorist acts Israel is accused of. Come on, let us know what you think we should do to punish Israel. (I won't bother to ask what you think we should do against Hamas, Iran, etc.)
By the way, HRW is famous for anti-Israel news. That's why I do not automatically believe its charges. Has HRW said anything about Oct. 7th?
AzWm Cut off all military aid except for interceptors to blow up Iranian drones and cruise missiles. Threaten trade embargos if they don't sign peace terms by a specific date.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 15, 2024 21:20:40 GMT -8
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 15, 2024 21:29:00 GMT -8
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 16, 2024 4:42:38 GMT -8
War isn't very pretty is it sdsuball? Can you tell me which war in history was nice? If you send a bunch of Mad Max guys across an international border and kill, torture and rape 100's of young concert goers, bad things are going to happen if the target has the means to respond. Hamas knew what the response would be. That's not excusing past affronts to the Palestinians, but for thousands of years..this is what happens in wars. That's why nations / cultures try to avoid them. Having gone through the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 as an 8 year old, I'm actually surprised we are still here. Nine different nations having nukes..and nobody has pushed the button yet is beyond lucky.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 16, 2024 8:26:19 GMT -8
That Hamas knee exactly what the response would be on that occasion, perfectly shows who Hamas really is. Despicable.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 16, 2024 8:35:01 GMT -8
War isn't very pretty is it sdsuball? Can you tell me which war in history was nice? If you send a bunch of Mad Max guys across an international border and kill, torture and rape 100's of young concert goers, bad things are going to happen if the target has the means to respond. Hamas knew what the response would be. That's not excusing past affronts to the Palestinians, but for thousands of years..this is what happens in wars. That's why nations / cultures try to avoid them. Having gone through the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 as an 8 year old, I'm actually surprised we are still here. Nine different nations having nukes..and nobody has pushed the button yet is beyond lucky. The Argument for Genocide in Nazi Propaganda" The Nazis justified their attempt to exterminate the Jews by claiming that they were only defending themselves against Jewish plans to destroy Germany and its population. I show how the Nazis used the same the same words to discuss both claims, and how they argued that just as the Jews were serious about exterminating Germany, they were equally serious about exterminating the Jews. Since the argument for annihilating the Jews was hard to make in the mass media, the Nazis put it most strongly in word-of-mouth propaganda using speakers and public meetings." www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00335630500157516
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 16, 2024 8:39:38 GMT -8
War isn't very pretty is it sdsuball? Can you tell me which war in history was nice? If you send a bunch of Mad Max guys across an international border and kill, torture and rape 100's of young concert goers, bad things are going to happen if the target has the means to respond. Hamas knew what the response would be. That's not excusing past affronts to the Palestinians, but for thousands of years..this is what happens in wars. That's why nations / cultures try to avoid them. Having gone through the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 as an 8 year old, I'm actually surprised we are still here. Nine different nations having nukes..and nobody has pushed the button yet is beyond lucky. The Argument for Genocide in Nazi Propaganda" The Nazis justified their attempt to exterminate the Jews by claiming that they were only defending themselves against Jewish plans to destroy Germany and its population. I show how the Nazis used the same the same words to discuss both claims, and how they argued that just as the Jews were serious about exterminating Germany, they were equally serious about exterminating the Jews. Since the argument for annihilating the Jews was hard to make in the mass media, the Nazis put it most strongly in word-of-mouth propaganda using speakers and public meetings." www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00335630500157516bull$#!+ response. of course, you did call Hamas "freedom fighters" after their atrocities.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 16, 2024 9:16:50 GMT -8
The Argument for Genocide in Nazi Propaganda" The Nazis justified their attempt to exterminate the Jews by claiming that they were only defending themselves against Jewish plans to destroy Germany and its population. I show how the Nazis used the same the same words to discuss both claims, and how they argued that just as the Jews were serious about exterminating Germany, they were equally serious about exterminating the Jews. Since the argument for annihilating the Jews was hard to make in the mass media, the Nazis put it most strongly in word-of-mouth propaganda using speakers and public meetings." www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00335630500157516 bull$#!+ response. of course, you did call Hamas "freedom fighters" after their atrocities. If you see your family/friends/countrymen killed, starved, raped, tortured, abused and other crimes against humanity...all which occurred way before Oct 7th...who can blame one for fighting to be free of these atrocities?...PALESTINAINS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!!
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 16, 2024 12:24:53 GMT -8
bull$#!+ response. of course, you did call Hamas "freedom fighters" after their atrocities. If you see your family/friends/countrymen killed, starved, raped, tortured, abused and other crimes against humanity...all which occurred way before Oct 7th...who can blame one for fighting to be free of these atrocities?...PALESTINAINS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!! Oct. 7th was not an act of defending themselves by Hamas. It was an act of pure terrorism, perpetrated with the specific hope that Israel's response would be labelled terrorism. They got their wish.
I have never been in a war zone but have done enough research to know that such situations result in mind-numbing acts of horror. And those acts include many cases in which innocent civilians are only incidentally the victims. With Hamas and other anti-Israel groups, such acts are the deliberate goal.
One does not have to be pro-Israel to condemn the actions of those states and groups which seek to destroy Israel.
AzWm
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 16, 2024 12:42:56 GMT -8
bull$#!+ response. of course, you did call Hamas "freedom fighters" after their atrocities. If you see your family/friends/countrymen killed, starved, raped, tortured, abused and other crimes against humanity...all which occurred way before Oct 7th...who can blame one for fighting to be free of these atrocities?...PALESTINAINS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!! The problem is you condone the way Hamas went about fighting back. That's horrible. Two wrongs don't make a right, correct? Freedom Fighters, my a**. Get a grip.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 16, 2024 13:17:49 GMT -8
If you see your family/friends/countrymen killed, starved, raped, tortured, abused and other crimes against humanity...all which occurred way before Oct 7th...who can blame one for fighting to be free of these atrocities?...PALESTINAINS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!! The problem is you condone the way Hamas went about fighting back. That's horrible. Two wrongs don't make a right, correct? Freedom Fighters, my a**. Get a grip. You really don't get to use this argument when you condoned Israel's assault literally yesterday. Terrorism = Bad. War crimes = Bad. In all forms.
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 16, 2024 13:47:22 GMT -8
I'm bailing out of this , cause it goes nowhere. I'm just hoping a bunch of Hamas supporters don't f x x x up the Democratic Convention. Pro-hamas protests / riots will accomplish only one thing...it will look good on TV for the far right and FOX. No one wants hamas near them.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 16, 2024 18:06:55 GMT -8
If you see your family/friends/countrymen killed, starved, raped, tortured, abused and other crimes against humanity...all which occurred way before Oct 7th...who can blame one for fighting to be free of these atrocities?...PALESTINAINS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!! Oct. 7th was not an act of defending themselves by Hamas. It was an act of pure terrorism, perpetrated with the specific hope that Israel's response would be labelled terrorism. They got their wish.
I have never been in a war zone but have done enough research to know that such situations result in mind-numbing acts of horror. And those acts include many cases in which innocent civilians are only incidentally the victims. With Hamas and other anti-Israel groups, such acts are the deliberate goal.
One does not have to be pro-Israel to condemn the actions of those states and groups which seek to destroy Israel.
AzWm
And one does not have to be pro-Palestine to condemn acts of genocide.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 16, 2024 18:10:45 GMT -8
War isn't very pretty is it sdsuball? Can you tell me which war in history was nice? If you send a bunch of Mad Max guys across an international border and kill, torture and rape 100's of young concert goers, bad things are going to happen if the target has the means to respond. Hamas knew what the response would be. That's not excusing past affronts to the Palestinians, but for thousands of years..this is what happens in wars. That's why nations / cultures try to avoid them. Having gone through the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 as an 8 year old, I'm actually surprised we are still here. Nine different nations having nukes..and nobody has pushed the button yet is beyond lucky. With great power comes great responsibility. Starving civilians is an act of genocide, and it's not appropriate or responsible. Stop defending it.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 16, 2024 18:12:24 GMT -8
That Hamas knee exactly what the response would be on that occasion, perfectly shows who Hamas really is. Despicable. Condemn both Hamas and Israel, that's fine. But why are we funding genocide? Why are we funding this despicable government?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 19, 2024 11:27:40 GMT -8
Ryan asked this . . .
Now, will you address the attacks on refugees that were directly displaced?
I do not have all the facts regarding this assertation. Sources which are anti-Israel are not, in my view, enough for me to reach the conclusion that said charges are true. I will say this, though. Anti-Israeli terrorist groups have attacked Israel dozens of times and have no intention of giving up their stated goal of destroying Israel. Until they change their attitude, no lasting peace in that area will ever be achieved.
Now, there are some of my question that YOU have failed to answer . . .
If attacked, does it (i.e. , Israel have a right to defend itself? And if the answer to that second question is "yes", does Israel have the right to decide on its manner of self-defense, or must it first get the approval of foreign politicians?
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What was Oct. 7? A legitimate military action against a military target? Please answer that question.
Your attitude in this whole discussion has, it seems to me, been very pro-Hamas (and by extension pro Iran and its other proxy anti-Israeli groups). I'm waiting for a post by you expressing any sympathy whatsoever for Israel. You do understand that Israel's military actions in Gaza would not have happened without the horrific terrorist attack of Oct. 7th, do you not? AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2024 11:38:12 GMT -8
Ryan asked this . . .
Now, will you address the attacks on refugees that were directly displaced?
I do not have all the facts regarding this assertation. Sources which are anti-Israel are not, in my view, enough for me to reach the conclusion that said charges are true. I will say this, though. Anti-Israeli terrorist groups have attacked Israel dozens of times and have no intention of giving up their stated goal of destroying Israel. Until they change their attitude, no lasting peace in that area will ever be achieved.
Now, there are some of my question that YOU have failed to answer . . .
If attacked, does it (i.e. , Israel have a right to defend itself? And if the answer to that second question is "yes", does Israel have the right to decide on its manner of self-defense, or must it first get the approval of foreign politicians?
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What was Oct. 7? A legitimate military action against a military target? Please answer that question.
Your attitude in this whole discussion has, it seems to me, been very pro-Hamas (and by extension pro Iran and its other proxy anti-Israeli groups). I'm waiting for a post by you expressing any sympathy whatsoever for Israel. You do understand that Israel's military actions in Gaza would not have happened without the horrific terrorist attack of Oct. 7th, do you not? AzWm
I'm waiting for you to answer a damn question that I sourced from REUTERS and the ASSOCIATED PRESS. I understand that you have a hard time keeping track of who you're responding to and spinning in absolute circles with your accusatory statements and bad faith manipulations. The fact you can't answer a simple yes or no question when prompted for over a week and a half now tells me all I need to know. And no, I've never been pro-Hamas at any point, ever, but I'm not surprised at the laziness and lack of genuine assertions since that's all the ammunition you have when the truth is not on your side. Believe it or not, war crimes are war crimes, no matter who perpetrates them. I've already answered your question twice now. No more low-hanging fruit until you can do the same.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 19, 2024 15:32:04 GMT -8
Ryan asked this . . .
Now, will you address the attacks on refugees that were directly displaced?
I do not have all the facts regarding this assertation. Sources which are anti-Israel are not, in my view, enough for me to reach the conclusion that said charges are true. I will say this, though. Anti-Israeli terrorist groups have attacked Israel dozens of times and have no intention of giving up their stated goal of destroying Israel. Until they change their attitude, no lasting peace in that area will ever be achieved.
Now, there are some of my question that YOU have failed to answer . . .
If attacked, does it (i.e. , Israel have a right to defend itself? And if the answer to that second question is "yes", does Israel have the right to decide on its manner of self-defense, or must it first get the approval of foreign politicians?
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What was Oct. 7? A legitimate military action against a military target? Please answer that question.
Your attitude in this whole discussion has, it seems to me, been very pro-Hamas (and by extension pro Iran and its other proxy anti-Israeli groups). I'm waiting for a post by you expressing any sympathy whatsoever for Israel. You do understand that Israel's military actions in Gaza would not have happened without the horrific terrorist attack of Oct. 7th, do you not? AzWm
Starving civilians are not military actions. Starving civilians is genocide, and it equivalent to what Nazi Germany did in WWII. Stop defending fascism.
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