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Post by mySTRAS on Apr 23, 2023 19:10:15 GMT -8
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Post by myownwords on Apr 23, 2023 19:51:56 GMT -8
An 84-year-old woman's life for $800 to $1,200. How tragic is the difference the world is viewed between brother and sister.
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Post by vision on Apr 24, 2023 8:12:34 GMT -8
unfortunately Kawhi has had a lot of tragedy in his life. Father was killed under mysterious circumstances as well. I don't think his murder was ever solved.
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Post by aztech on Apr 24, 2023 12:22:22 GMT -8
I believe Kawhi has two or three other sisters who probably have been taken care of by him. More than likely this one was cut off for obvious reasons.
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 24, 2023 22:13:43 GMT -8
That's unbelievable that they were convicted of first degree murder. First degree implies that the murder was premeditated. It certainly sounds more like they were trying to rob someone, beat the crap out of the person they were robbing, and then left. They should have gotten 10 or 15 years and a conviction of third degree murder (manslaughter), or at worst second degree murder (unplanned and intentional killing).
Broken justice system...
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Post by richpjr on Apr 25, 2023 5:21:34 GMT -8
That's unbelievable that they were convicted of first degree murder. First degree implies that the murder was premeditated. It certainly sounds more like they were trying to rob someone, beat the crap out of the person they were robbing, and then left. They should have gotten 10 or 15 years and a conviction of third degree murder (manslaughter), or at worst second degree murder (unplanned and intentional killing). Broken justice system... Broken? They followed an old lady into a bathroom, broke her skull, robbed her and left her there to die. The only thing broken is society for creating monsters like that. Justice served.
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Post by docmm on Apr 25, 2023 5:53:36 GMT -8
That's unbelievable that they were convicted of first degree murder. First degree implies that the murder was premeditated. It certainly sounds more like they were trying to rob someone, beat the crap out of the person they were robbing, and then left. They should have gotten 10 or 15 years and a conviction of third degree murder (manslaughter), or at worst second degree murder (unplanned and intentional killing). Broken justice system...Broken? They followed an old lady into a bathroom, broke her skull, robbed her and left her there to die. The only thing broken is society for creating monsters like that. Justice served. X a thousand. There's the letter of the law and there's the spirit of the law. To me, the sheer cruelty and wantonness of their act offsets the premeditation of it. Throw away the key.
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Post by jp92grad on Apr 25, 2023 6:26:24 GMT -8
That's unbelievable that they were convicted of first degree murder. First degree implies that the murder was premeditated. It certainly sounds more like they were trying to rob someone, beat the crap out of the person they were robbing, and then left. They should have gotten 10 or 15 years and a conviction of third degree murder (manslaughter), or at worst second degree murder (unplanned and intentional killing). Broken justice system... Sorry, I can not let this post go. WTF are you talking about, they went in with one playing look out and then the other one then threatened and blocked a janitor from entering the restroom while following the elderly lady into a restroom stall. They both have extremely long arrest records with violent history's and they were both banned prior from that casino for robbery. We are talking about an 84 year old woman who was out for a day trip with her husband to do a little gambling and these two big Thugs, executed a planned out robbery that ended in a murder. They KILLED an innocent woman for a few bucks at a casino, to me that is murder in the first degree and should be sentenced as such. They will never be of any value to a modern productive society and the only thing that sucks is now we the people have to pay for these criminals while they are incarcerated. 84 year old woman, let that sink in for a minute!
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Post by AztecPhil on Apr 25, 2023 6:55:44 GMT -8
To the best of my knowledge, our famed player had no knowledge of his sibling's actions and there is no need to drag his name through the mud due to the actions of a relative. I would think this thread belongs off topic.
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Post by sdsu1975 on Apr 25, 2023 13:24:41 GMT -8
Felony murder rule
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Post by aztecking on Apr 25, 2023 14:00:04 GMT -8
To the best of my knowledge, our famed player had no knowledge of his sibling's actions and there is no need to drag his name through the mud due to the actions of a relative. I would think this thread belongs off topic. I find it highly doubtful that Kawhi had no knowledge of this. It happened 4 years ago. How does your sister get charged with murder and you have no knowledge of it? Even if he has no contact with her I’m sure he would be well aware of this through other family members.
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Post by richpjr on Apr 25, 2023 15:05:27 GMT -8
To the best of my knowledge, our famed player had no knowledge of his sibling's actions and there is no need to drag his name through the mud due to the actions of a relative. I would think this thread belongs off topic. I find it highly doubtful that Kawhi had no knowledge of this. It happened 4 years ago. How does your sister get charged with murder and you have no knowledge of it? Even if he has no contact with her I’m sure he would be well aware of this through other family members. I would guess that AztecPhil meant he had no knowledge of it while the event was happening, not that he was not aware that it happened.
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Post by ron on Apr 25, 2023 15:29:25 GMT -8
That's unbelievable that they were convicted of first degree murder. First degree implies that the murder was premeditated. It certainly sounds more like they were trying to rob someone, beat the crap out of the person they were robbing, and then left. They should have gotten 10 or 15 years and a conviction of third degree murder (manslaughter), or at worst second degree murder (unplanned and intentional killing). Broken justice system... Do you know this, or is this simply conjecture? They broke the skull of an elderly woman and robbed her. Yet, you're complaining about the "broken justice system" as the problem?
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 25, 2023 15:56:11 GMT -8
That's unbelievable that they were convicted of first degree murder. First degree implies that the murder was premeditated. It certainly sounds more like they were trying to rob someone, beat the crap out of the person they were robbing, and then left. They should have gotten 10 or 15 years and a conviction of third degree murder (manslaughter), or at worst second degree murder (unplanned and intentional killing). Broken justice system... having a little knowledge is scary. You do realize that if a murder occurs during the commission of a felony (ie robbery) that the charge is bumped up to first degree murder. Penal Code 187 PC defines the crime of murder as “the unlawful killing of a human being or fetus with malice aforethought.” California law classifies murder as first- and second-degree. First-degree murder comprises all premeditated killings as well as felony murder, where someone dies during the commission of a robbery,carjacking, rape, or other serious crime. First-degree murder is punishable by 25 years to life in prison. Though if the killing involved lying in wait, torture, a destructive device, or other special circumstances, then the only sentencing options are life in prison without parole or capital punishment.
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 25, 2023 16:18:12 GMT -8
That's unbelievable that they were convicted of first degree murder. First degree implies that the murder was premeditated. It certainly sounds more like they were trying to rob someone, beat the crap out of the person they were robbing, and then left. They should have gotten 10 or 15 years and a conviction of third degree murder (manslaughter), or at worst second degree murder (unplanned and intentional killing). Broken justice system... having a little knowledge is scary. You do realize that if a murder occurs during the commission of a felony (ie robbery) that the charge is bumped up to first degree murder. Penal Code 187 PC defines the crime of murder as “the unlawful killing of a human being or fetus with malice aforethought.” California law classifies murder as first- and second-degree. First-degree murder comprises all premeditated killings as well as felony murder, where someone dies during the commission of a robbery,carjacking, rape, or other serious crime. First-degree murder is punishable by 25 years to life in prison. Though if the killing involved lying in wait, torture, a destructive device, or other special circumstances, then the only sentencing options are life in prison without parole or capital punishment. I didn't know that if a murder occurs during a felony that it can be charged as first degree murder. That's a horrible law and is illustrative of how (despite how liberal CA is) California's justice system oppresses minorities I still think that life in prison is extreme for something that wasn't premeditated. I have a friend who is white who was an alcoholic who killed someone behind the wheel driving under the influence. He had an 8 or 10 year sentence that was commuted to 3.5 years? I don't think that a white woman who did this would have been sentenced to life in prison. That's why I say that this case is illustrative of how broken our judicial system is.
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Post by aztecking on Apr 25, 2023 16:21:21 GMT -8
having a little knowledge is scary. You do realize that if a murder occurs during the commission of a felony (ie robbery) that the charge is bumped up to first degree murder. Penal Code 187 PC defines the crime of murder as “the unlawful killing of a human being or fetus with malice aforethought.” California law classifies murder as first- and second-degree. First-degree murder comprises all premeditated killings as well as felony murder, where someone dies during the commission of a robbery,carjacking, rape, or other serious crime. First-degree murder is punishable by 25 years to life in prison. Though if the killing involved lying in wait, torture, a destructive device, or other special circumstances, then the only sentencing options are life in prison without parole or capital punishment. I didn't know that if a murder occurs during a felony that it can be charged as first degree murder. That's a horrible law and is illustrative of how (despite how liberal CA is) California's justice system oppresses minorities I still think that life in prison is extreme for something that wasn't premeditated. I have a friend who is white who was an alcoholic who killed someone behind the wheel driving under the influence. He had an 8 or 10 year sentence that was commuted to 3.5 years? I don't think that a white woman who did this would have been sentenced to life in prison. That's why I say that this case is illustrative of how broken our judicial system is. She also is a multiple time offender and has spent time in prison for various other offenses. The brutal nature of the murder probably played into too. She more than got what she deserves.
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 25, 2023 16:27:23 GMT -8
I didn't know that if a murder occurs during a felony that it can be charged as first degree murder. That's a horrible law and is illustrative of how (despite how liberal CA is) California's justice system oppresses minorities I still think that life in prison is extreme for something that wasn't premeditated. I have a friend who is white who was an alcoholic who killed someone behind the wheel driving under the influence. He had an 8 or 10 year sentence that was commuted to 3.5 years? I don't think that a white woman who did this would have been sentenced to life in prison. That's why I say that this case is illustrative of how broken our judicial system is. She also is a multiple time offender and has spent time in prison for various other offenses. The brutal nature of the murder probably played into too. She more than got what she deserves. Right so if first degree murder is punishable by 25 years to life, you think that she deserves the maximum when it wasn't even premeditated. 25 would have been plenty
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Post by aztecking on Apr 25, 2023 16:36:37 GMT -8
She also is a multiple time offender and has spent time in prison for various other offenses. The brutal nature of the murder probably played into too. She more than got what she deserves. Right so if first degree murder is punishable by 25 years to life, you think that she deserves the maximum when it wasn't even premeditated. 25 would have been plenty The robbery was premeditated and the assault was premeditated. The woman may even have been able to be saved had prompt medical attention been received, instead they left her there to bleed. Sorry, but this is a person who is very dangerous and shouldn’t see the outside world as a free person again. This wasn’t her first violent crime and likely not her last if she was to be released. You may disagree, but in my opinion the sentence is justified.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 25, 2023 16:59:48 GMT -8
having a little knowledge is scary. You do realize that if a murder occurs during the commission of a felony (ie robbery) that the charge is bumped up to first degree murder. Penal Code 187 PC defines the crime of murder as “the unlawful killing of a human being or fetus with malice aforethought.” California law classifies murder as first- and second-degree. First-degree murder comprises all premeditated killings as well as felony murder, where someone dies during the commission of a robbery,carjacking, rape, or other serious crime. First-degree murder is punishable by 25 years to life in prison. Though if the killing involved lying in wait, torture, a destructive device, or other special circumstances, then the only sentencing options are life in prison without parole or capital punishment. I didn't know that if a murder occurs during a felony that it can be charged as first degree murder. That's a horrible law and is illustrative of how (despite how liberal CA is) California's justice system oppresses minorities I still think that life in prison is extreme for something that wasn't premeditated. I have a friend who is white who was an alcoholic who killed someone behind the wheel driving under the influence. He had an 8 or 10 year sentence that was commuted to 3.5 years? I don't think that a white woman who did this would have been sentenced to life in prison. That's why I say that this case is illustrative of how broken our judicial system is. Not sure if this is parody or not. Why are you assuming minorities are the ones that will be committing felonies! Racist much. Give proof of your disparate Sentencing or stop being racist, a blanket statement about a white women wouldn't be charged is telling, especially as you just admitted you were ignorant of the felony murder rule. My brother was killed by a white male drunk driver, second offense and he was sentenced to 18 years out of a possible 20.
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Post by richpjr on Apr 25, 2023 18:23:37 GMT -8
Every time I hear these idiotic attacks on the justice system I always wonder if it had been their grandmother robbed and bleeding out with a broken skull, left to die in a bathroom by the dregs of humanity with criminal records, if they'd have the same response for the poor oppressed attackers. I suspect not...
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