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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 25, 2023 18:29:46 GMT -8
Someone with a track record of crime and then assaults, robs, and kills an old woman does not deserve to have the privilege of living among us in our society anymore. It's obviously a tragic situation all the way around but she did it to herself
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 26, 2023 2:18:59 GMT -8
I didn't know that if a murder occurs during a felony that it can be charged as first degree murder. That's a horrible law and is illustrative of how (despite how liberal CA is) California's justice system oppresses minorities I still think that life in prison is extreme for something that wasn't premeditated. I have a friend who is white who was an alcoholic who killed someone behind the wheel driving under the influence. He had an 8 or 10 year sentence that was commuted to 3.5 years? I don't think that a white woman who did this would have been sentenced to life in prison. That's why I say that this case is illustrative of how broken our judicial system is. Not sure if this is parody or not. 1. Why are you assuming minorities are the ones that will be committing felonies! Racist much.
Give proof of your disparate Sentencing or stop being racist, a blanket statement about a white women wouldn't be charged is telling, especially as you just admitted you were ignorant of the felony murder rule. My brother was killed by a white male drunk driver, second offense and 2. he was sentenced to 18 years out of a possible 20. 1. It's not a parody, it's real life in the United States - look at the statistics for crime by race. Look at incarceration rates by race. Look at sentencing for crimes, then compare by race. When the justice system systematically is imprisoning African Americans at a much higher rate then Caucasians it is impossible to look at laws like that without also considering the racial implications. 2. Yes that is exactly my point! He was sentenced to 18 years for killing someone in a way that wasn't premeditated. Why is she being sentenced to life? Isn't 25 plenty? At least then she could be more of a part of her family's life as an Aunt and Great Aunt once she is released in her 60's |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 26, 2023 4:06:57 GMT -8
Not sure if this is parody or not. 1. Why are you assuming minorities are the ones that will be committing felonies! Racist much.
Give proof of your disparate Sentencing or stop being racist, a blanket statement about a white women wouldn't be charged is telling, especially as you just admitted you were ignorant of the felony murder rule. My brother was killed by a white male drunk driver, second offense and 2. he was sentenced to 18 years out of a possible 20. 1. It's not a parody, it's real life in the United States - look at the statistics for crime by race. Look at incarceration rates by race. Look at sentencing for crimes, then compare by race. When the justice system systematically is imprisoning African Americans at a much higher rate then Caucasians it is impossible to look at laws like that without also considering the racial implications. 2. Yes that is exactly my point! He was sentenced to 18 years for killing someone in a way that wasn't premeditated. Why is she being sentenced to life? Isn't 25 plenty? At least then she could be more of a part of her family's life as an Aunt and Great Aunt once she is released in her 60's The problem isn’t unequal sentencing by race, the problem is one race commits more violent crimes. The effect of liberal policies in the inner cities has created a breakdown of the family unit. This is further impacted by lack of opportunity in liberal run major cities. The net effect is a violent wave of crime since the welfare state began in the 1960s. The solution isn’t to simply stop punishing crimes if they are committed by one race, the solution is to change failed liberal policies in the inner cities to promote positive family role models and create opportunity. We have laws to deter unwanted behavior. The felony murder rule is to deter not only robbery, but unnecessary reckless behavior that could lead to death during a robbery. By removing the upgrade to murder 1, you are encouraging the robbery to commit murder as there is no enhanced penalty, with the added benefit of removing the witness. This was the same effect 3 strike laws had, if it’s your 3rd strike, you might as well kill the victim and remove the witness. Your ivory tower thinking may sound good in theory, but has never played out well in real life. Take a trip to SF, LA or NY. However, you won’t do that because these are laws directed at people in places that you will never go, you will never be effected by the consequences. Much like defund the police, your policies will create more crime and exacerbate the problem. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 26, 2023 4:52:52 GMT -8
Not sure if this is parody or not. 1. Why are you assuming minorities are the ones that will be committing felonies! Racist much.
Give proof of your disparate Sentencing or stop being racist, a blanket statement about a white women wouldn't be charged is telling, especially as you just admitted you were ignorant of the felony murder rule. My brother was killed by a white male drunk driver, second offense and 2. he was sentenced to 18 years out of a possible 20. 1. It's not a parody, it's real life in the United States - look at the statistics for crime by race. Look at incarceration rates by race. Look at sentencing for crimes, then compare by race. When the justice system systematically is imprisoning African Americans at a much higher rate then Caucasians it is impossible to look at laws like that without also considering the racial implications.2. Yes that is exactly my point! He was sentenced to 18 years for killing someone in a way that wasn't premeditated. Why is she being sentenced to life? Isn't 25 plenty? At least then she could be more of a part of her family's life as an Aunt and Great Aunt once she is released in her 60's This is obviously getting political so this could get moved at any second, but this statement is WILD to me. You're looking at the statistics but not holding the criminals accountable whatsoever? It's all the law and the system's fault? You think it's out of the question that certain races commit more crime than others? Certain races are poorer than others due to a lot of things (including reasons that are not their fault, but also reasons that are their fault), but that's the reason they commit crimes at a higher rate and are therefore in prison at a higher rate. The justice system isn't perfect and makes mistakes, but to say that the prison population is disproportionately black because our justice system is broken is just awful and dismisses any accountability, which just makes things worse |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 26, 2023 5:51:40 GMT -8
Not sure if this is parody or not. 1. Why are you assuming minorities are the ones that will be committing felonies! Racist much.
Give proof of your disparate Sentencing or stop being racist, a blanket statement about a white women wouldn't be charged is telling, especially as you just admitted you were ignorant of the felony murder rule. My brother was killed by a white male drunk driver, second offense and 2. he was sentenced to 18 years out of a possible 20. 1. It's not a parody, it's real life in the United States - look at the statistics for crime by race. Look at incarceration rates by race. Look at sentencing for crimes, then compare by race. When the justice system systematically is imprisoning African Americans at a much higher rate then Caucasians it is impossible to look at laws like that without also considering the racial implications. 2. Yes that is exactly my point! He was sentenced to 18 years for killing someone in a way that wasn't premeditated. Why is she being sentenced to life? Isn't 25 plenty? At least then she could be more of a part of her family's life as an Aunt and Great Aunt once she is released in her 60's One final thought on this, you are looking at sentences in the wrong way. What about the sentences imposed on the victims by the perpetrators? My brother received the death penalty because someone decided to drive drunk my nephews and nieces received a life sentence of no father because someone else decided to drive drunk, you’re arguing that a life sentence for felony murder is excessive. my question to you is what is the sentence given to the victim excessive? |
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Post by ignoranus on Apr 26, 2023 6:56:27 GMT -8
Some years ago our son was nearly killed while riding his bike to work in West LA. He was hit by an illegal alien fleeing the scene of an earlier hit and run accident on a Sunday morning. A motorist stopped the drunk driver at the scene when he was attempting to flee on foot, having totalled his car after next hitting two parked cars at speed. Blood tests indicated that he had consumed 9-11 drinks prior to the accident. I do not believe that he was "overserved" at communion that sunday morning. Our son is injured for life.
In pursuit of justice we went to court in downtown LA once per month for one year. There are approximately a dozen floors of coutrooms in that building. The white persons present on those floors were predominantly judges, lawyers and police officers. The defendants were, with one white exception, all persons of color. I do not doubt that the courtrooms are much different now. This was a sad look into what is happening in America.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Apr 26, 2023 7:41:26 GMT -8
1. It's not a parody, it's real life in the United States - look at the statistics for crime by race. Look at incarceration rates by race. Look at sentencing for crimes, then compare by race. When the justice system systematically is imprisoning African Americans at a much higher rate then Caucasians it is impossible to look at laws like that without also considering the racial implications. 2. Yes that is exactly my point! He was sentenced to 18 years for killing someone in a way that wasn't premeditated. Why is she being sentenced to life? Isn't 25 plenty? At least then she could be more of a part of her family's life as an Aunt and Great Aunt once she is released in her 60's The problem isn’t unequal sentencing by race, the problem is one race commits more violent crimes. The effect of liberal policies in the inner cities has created a breakdown of the family unit. This is further impacted by lack of opportunity in liberal run major cities. The net effect is a violent wave of crime since the welfare state began in the 1960s. The solution isn’t to simply stop punishing crimes if they are committed by one race, the solution is to change failed liberal policies in the inner cities to promote positive family role models and create opportunity. We have laws to deter unwanted behavior. The felony murder rule is to deter not only robbery, but unnecessary reckless behavior that could lead to death during a robbery. By removing the upgrade to murder 1, you are encouraging the robbery to commit murder as there is no enhanced penalty, with the added benefit of removing the witness. This was the same effect 3 strike laws had, if it’s your 3rd strike, you might as well kill the victim and remove the witness. Your ivory tower thinking may sound good in theory, but has never played out well in real life. Take a trip to SF, LA or NY. However, you won’t do that because these are laws directed at people in places that you will never go, you will never be effected by the consequences. Much like defund the police, your policies will create more crime and exacerbate the problem. " The problem isn’t unequal sentencing by race, the problem is one race commits more violent crimes." FBI Crimes by Race 69.4 percent of all crimes in America are committed by Whites...f or Blacks it's 26.6Violent crimes: 59.1 white; 36.4 BlackMurder/Manslaughter 45.6 white; 51.2 Black Rape 69.8 white; 26.7 Black Aggravated Assault 61.8 white; 33.2 Black Sex Offenses 74.6 white; 20.6 Black ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43That one race is White...yet there is a big disparity in arrest, sentencing and incarceration....sdsuball is absolutely correct...88 percent of the time...it's white on white crime...but the media and racist/bigots downplay that narrative. |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 26, 2023 7:46:53 GMT -8
The problem isn’t unequal sentencing by race, the problem is one race commits more violent crimes. The effect of liberal policies in the inner cities has created a breakdown of the family unit. This is further impacted by lack of opportunity in liberal run major cities. The net effect is a violent wave of crime since the welfare state began in the 1960s. The solution isn’t to simply stop punishing crimes if they are committed by one race, the solution is to change failed liberal policies in the inner cities to promote positive family role models and create opportunity. We have laws to deter unwanted behavior. The felony murder rule is to deter not only robbery, but unnecessary reckless behavior that could lead to death during a robbery. By removing the upgrade to murder 1, you are encouraging the robbery to commit murder as there is no enhanced penalty, with the added benefit of removing the witness. This was the same effect 3 strike laws had, if it’s your 3rd strike, you might as well kill the victim and remove the witness. Your ivory tower thinking may sound good in theory, but has never played out well in real life. Take a trip to SF, LA or NY. However, you won’t do that because these are laws directed at people in places that you will never go, you will never be effected by the consequences. Much like defund the police, your policies will create more crime and exacerbate the problem. " The problem isn’t unequal sentencing by race, the problem is one race commits more violent crimes." FBI Crimes by Race 69.4 percent of all crimes in America are committed by Whites...f or Blacks it's 26.6Violent crimes: 59.1 white; 36.4 BlackMurder/Manslaughter 45.6 white; 51.2 Black Rape 69.8 white; 26.7 Black Aggravated Assault 61.8 white; 33.2 Black Sex Offenses 74.6 white; 20.6 Black ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43That one race is White...yet there is a big disparity in arrest, sentencing and incarceration....sdsuball is absolutely correct...88 percent of the time...it's white on white crime...but the media and racist/bigots downplay that narrative. Those stats are meaningless if you ignore the percent of the population that is white and black. 64% of the US population is white and 12% is black. So black people commit 3 times the percent of violent crimes than would be expected from their percent of the population as a whole. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Apr 26, 2023 7:59:06 GMT -8
" The problem isn’t unequal sentencing by race, the problem is one race commits more violent crimes." FBI Crimes by Race 69.4 percent of all crimes in America are committed by Whites...f or Blacks it's 26.6Violent crimes: 59.1 white; 36.4 BlackMurder/Manslaughter 45.6 white; 51.2 Black Rape 69.8 white; 26.7 Black Aggravated Assault 61.8 white; 33.2 Black Sex Offenses 74.6 white; 20.6 Black ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43That one race is White...yet there is a big disparity in arrest, sentencing and incarceration....sdsuball is absolutely correct...88 percent of the time...it's white on white crime...but the media and racist/bigots downplay that narrative. Those stats are meaningless if you ignore the percent of the population that is white and black. 64% of the US population is white and 12% is black. So black people commit 3 times the percent of violent crimes than would be expected from their percent of the population as a whole. That's a loser excuse and an impotent attempt at deflecting from the truth...whites...by far...commit the most crime in America...PERIOD!!...this despite every social and economic advantage...when was the last time you've heard a suburban Black with a Masters...executive job...going on a mass shooting spree?...like never...the best of whites are committing these crimes...the worst of Blacks are too...yet you and your ilk constantly focus on the Blacks..... |
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Post by jp92grad on Apr 26, 2023 8:03:22 GMT -8
" The problem isn’t unequal sentencing by race, the problem is one race commits more violent crimes." FBI Crimes by Race 69.4 percent of all crimes in America are committed by Whites...f or Blacks it's 26.6Violent crimes: 59.1 white; 36.4 BlackMurder/Manslaughter 45.6 white; 51.2 Black Rape 69.8 white; 26.7 Black Aggravated Assault 61.8 white; 33.2 Black Sex Offenses 74.6 white; 20.6 Black ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43That one race is White...yet there is a big disparity in arrest, sentencing and incarceration....sdsuball is absolutely correct...88 percent of the time...it's white on white crime...but the media and racist/bigots downplay that narrative. Those stats are meaningless if you ignore the percent of the population that is white and black. 64% of the US population is white and 12% is black. So black people commit 3 times the percent of violent crimes than would be expected from their percent of the population as a whole. Take those numbers/statistics to the next level, male/female 50% (give or take) equals out to about 6% of the Black Male population 6% of the total male black population equal (50% under 35 and 50% over 35) This means that basically 3% of the population (Blacks under 35 years of age) are committing a VERY disproportionate amount of crimes in America (these are just basic numbers but not far off) This is an issue and thinking otherwise is just ignorant, sorry facts are facts here and things are NOT getting better. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Apr 26, 2023 8:14:36 GMT -8
Those stats are meaningless if you ignore the percent of the population that is white and black. 64% of the US population is white and 12% is black. So black people commit 3 times the percent of violent crimes than would be expected from their percent of the population as a whole. Take those numbers/statistics to the next level, male/female 50% (give or take) equals out to about 6% of the Black Male population 6% of the total male black population equal (50% under 35 and 50% over 35) This means that basically 3% of the population (Blacks under 35 years of age) are committing a VERY disproportionate amount of crimes in America (these are just basic numbers but not far off) This is an issue and thinking otherwise is just ignorant, sorry facts are facts here and things are NOT getting better. Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States 2022 " Black Americans are seven times more likely than white Americans to be falsely convicted of serious crimes. For homicides, the risk of a wrongful conviction in cases where the victim was white is nearly twice that of cases where the victim was Black." " In addition, Black people who are convicted of murder are about 80% more likely to
be innocent than other convicted murderers. www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race%20Report%20Preview.pdf |
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 26, 2023 9:26:05 GMT -8
1. It's not a parody, it's real life in the United States - look at the statistics for crime by race. Look at incarceration rates by race. Look at sentencing for crimes, then compare by race. When the justice system systematically is imprisoning African Americans at a much higher rate then Caucasians it is impossible to look at laws like that without also considering the racial implications. 2. Yes that is exactly my point! He was sentenced to 18 years for killing someone in a way that wasn't premeditated. Why is she being sentenced to life? Isn't 25 plenty? At least then she could be more of a part of her family's life as an Aunt and Great Aunt once she is released in her 60's One final thought on this, you are looking at sentences in the wrong way. What about the sentences imposed on the victims by the perpetrators? My brother received the death penalty because someone decided to drive drunk my nephews and nieces received a life sentence of no father because someone else decided to drive drunk, you’re arguing that a life sentence for felony murder is excessive. my question to you is what is the sentence given to the victim excessive? There are a lot of different ways to look at incarceration. One way to look at it is from a punitive perspective (ie. this person committed a crime so this person must suffer a punishment). A second way to look at it is from a public safety perspective (ie. this person is a danger to society, we need to protect society from them) A third way to look at it is from a community impact perspective (ie. how many people are going to go without a family or community member and for how long) From a punitive perspective, 25 years is a really long period of time - in my opinion it is plenty. From a public safety perspective, people in their 60's are less likely to commit crime, even for multiple offenders. From a community impact perspective, 25 years is already a very long period of time (taking that person out of those people's lives for their childhood and in to their 20's/30's). IMO letting them build a relationship with them when they are old can benefit the community. Just my perspective. |
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Post by jp92grad on Apr 26, 2023 11:09:57 GMT -8
One final thought on this, you are looking at sentences in the wrong way. What about the sentences imposed on the victims by the perpetrators? My brother received the death penalty because someone decided to drive drunk my nephews and nieces received a life sentence of no father because someone else decided to drive drunk, you’re arguing that a life sentence for felony murder is excessive. my question to you is what is the sentence given to the victim excessive? There are a lot of different ways to look at incarceration. One way to look at it is from a punitive perspective (ie. this person committed a crime so this person must suffer a punishment). A second way to look at it is from a public safety perspective (ie. this person is a danger to society, we need to protect society from them) A third way to look at it is from a community impact perspective (ie. how many people are going to go without a family or community member and for how long) From a punitive perspective, 25 years is a really long period of time - in my opinion it is plenty. From a public safety perspective, people in their 60's are less likely to commit crime, even for multiple offenders. From a community impact perspective, 25 years is already a very long period of time (taking that person out of those people's lives for their childhood and in to their 20's/30's). IMO letting them build a relationship with them when they are old can benefit the community. Just my perspective. or another thing to look at is this person has lived over half their expected life with many opportunities to change their life style for the better with many life experiences behind them and they still continue down a path of crime and are only becoming more and more violent and desperate. We are talking about two individuals that followed an 84 year old woman into a bathroom stall and BEAT HER! There should be a special place in H EL L for people like this. There are a few very important rules in life that need to be followed all the time with no exceptions, Do Not Touch or Harm Kids and DO Not Take Advantage of the elderly. This is where "GoFundMe" Accounts should be set up in prisons commissary's to allow for people to be rewarded for taking care of other people who do not follow these two rules. |
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Post by azson on Apr 26, 2023 11:20:42 GMT -8
1. It's not a parody, it's real life in the United States - look at the statistics for crime by race. Look at incarceration rates by race. Look at sentencing for crimes, then compare by race. When the justice system systematically is imprisoning African Americans at a much higher rate then Caucasians it is impossible to look at laws like that without also considering the racial implications. 2. Yes that is exactly my point! He was sentenced to 18 years for killing someone in a way that wasn't premeditated. Why is she being sentenced to life? Isn't 25 plenty? At least then she could be more of a part of her family's life as an Aunt and Great Aunt once she is released in her 60's The problem isn’t unequal sentencing by race, the problem is one race commits more violent crimes. The effect of liberal policies in the inner cities has created a breakdown of the family unit. This is further impacted by lack of opportunity in liberal run major cities. The net effect is a violent wave of crime since the welfare state began in the 1960s. The solution isn’t to simply stop punishing crimes if they are committed by one race, the solution is to change failed liberal policies in the inner cities to promote positive family role models and create opportunity. We have laws to deter unwanted behavior. The felony murder rule is to deter not only robbery, but unnecessary reckless behavior that could lead to death during a robbery. By removing the upgrade to murder 1, you are encouraging the robbery to commit murder as there is no enhanced penalty, with the added benefit of removing the witness. This was the same effect 3 strike laws had, if it’s your 3rd strike, you might as well kill the victim and remove the witness. Your ivory tower thinking may sound good in theory, but has never played out well in real life. Take a trip to SF, LA or NY. However, you won’t do that because these are laws directed at people in places that you will never go, you will never be effected by the consequences. Much like defund the police, your policies will create more crime and exacerbate the problem. Way to take an already politicized thread to another level. Yeah, it's all the liberals' fault.  |
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 26, 2023 19:50:35 GMT -8
There are a lot of different ways to look at incarceration. One way to look at it is from a punitive perspective (ie. this person committed a crime so this person must suffer a punishment). A second way to look at it is from a public safety perspective (ie. this person is a danger to society, we need to protect society from them) A third way to look at it is from a community impact perspective (ie. how many people are going to go without a family or community member and for how long) From a punitive perspective, 25 years is a really long period of time - in my opinion it is plenty. From a public safety perspective, people in their 60's are less likely to commit crime, even for multiple offenders. From a community impact perspective, 25 years is already a very long period of time (taking that person out of those people's lives for their childhood and in to their 20's/30's). IMO letting them build a relationship with them when they are old can benefit the community. Just my perspective. or another thing to look at is this person has lived over half their expected life with many opportunities to change their life style for the better with many life experiences behind them and they still continue down a path of crime and are only becoming more and more violent and desperate. We are talking about two individuals that followed an 84 year old woman into a bathroom stall and BEAT HER!There should be a special place in H EL L for people like this. There are a few very important rules in life that need to be followed all the time with no exceptions, Do Not Touch or Harm Kids and DO Not Take Advantage of the elderly.This is where "GoFundMe" Accounts should be set up in prisons commissary's to allow for people to be rewarded for taking care of other people who do not follow these two rules. Yes I agree that's an horrible crime!! |
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Post by Spud on Apr 28, 2023 16:13:38 GMT -8
She also is a multiple time offender and has spent time in prison for various other offenses. The brutal nature of the murder probably played into too. She more than got what she deserves. Right so if first degree murder is punishable by 25 years to life, you think that she deserves the maximum when it wasn't even premeditated. 25 would have been plenty The only thing "broken" here is your flawed logic. Jesus, there are plenty of things to get riled up about, but in this case you are dead wrong. |
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Post by AztecPhil on Apr 29, 2023 11:33:10 GMT -8
To the best of my knowledge, our famed player had no knowledge of his sibling's actions and there is no need to drag his name through the mud due to the actions of a relative. I would think this thread belongs off topic. I find it highly doubtful that Kawhi had no knowledge of this. It happened 4 years ago. How does your sister get charged with murder and you have no knowledge of it? Even if he has no contact with her I’m sure he would be well aware of this through other family members. Get real! At the time of the crime, did he have anything to do with their actions? |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 29, 2023 13:48:01 GMT -8
I find it highly doubtful that Kawhi had no knowledge of this. It happened 4 years ago. How does your sister get charged with murder and you have no knowledge of it? Even if he has no contact with her I’m sure he would be well aware of this through other family members. Get real! At the time of the crime, did he have anything to do with their actions? Well that’s not what you said, so… |
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