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Post by CbLsD on May 3, 2023 7:55:25 GMT -8
According to zeigler Allick is getting 300k in NIL and Washington is going to get offered between 450k-600k. But yes 2k a month is a totally great nil package right coug? SDSU is never going to offer players mid six figures. Those players pulling down that type of money is just stupid. It is what it is at this point. We will have to see what happens once we are in the Pac 12. Why can’t we offer this type of money? Why does conference affiliation matter if the school isn’t allowed to contribute to NIL? I’m asking because I’m confused as to why I keep hearing that SDSU can’t compete with other schools. Maybe there’s a rule that doesn’t allow us to that I’m unaware of. SDSU may not have a huge endowment but our alumni base is large compared to most schools. Surely we have some very wealthy donors out there. I’m just curious if we “can’t” versus “we don’t want to” make NIL a priority.
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Post by aztecking on May 3, 2023 8:06:57 GMT -8
SDSU is never going to offer players mid six figures. Those players pulling down that type of money is just stupid. It is what it is at this point. We will have to see what happens once we are in the Pac 12. Why can’t we offer this type of money? Why does conference affiliation matter if the school isn’t allowed to contribute to NIL? I’m asking because I’m confused as to why I keep hearing that SDSU can’t compete with other schools. Maybe there’s a rule that doesn’t allow us to that I’m unaware of. SDSU may not have a huge endowment but our alumni base is large compared to most schools. Surely we have some very wealthy donors out there. I’m just curious if we “can’t” versus “we don’t want to” make NIL a priority. The school can’t contribute directly but they have the connections to the donors and can/should be reaching out and directing them to the NIL fund if they want to see us continue to compete at a high level in the current environment. I haven’t seen much traction from them on this front though.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on May 3, 2023 8:39:32 GMT -8
As long as this NIL shite lasts uncontrolled it's going to be a long time before SDSU & Dutcher make another FF run. I can't see him keeping enough players with skills, motors, and determination very long. I think they'll leave for the Green! JMO
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2023 9:15:54 GMT -8
According to zeigler Allick is getting 300k in NIL and Washington is going to get offered between 450k-600k. But yes 2k a month is a totally great nil package right coug? Our NIL package is still significantly better than the majority of programs around the country. Per Opendorse, the average D1 athlete earned $3,711 in NIL in 2021, and it was expected to be around $4,600 in 2022. Ours earned $20k. There will always be a few getting paid the bigger bucks, but that's not everyone nor is it required to be successful. Other factors come into play. Allick was miserable at New Mexico getting $100k, so the assumption that Nebraska was about NIL is just that, an assumption. People just assume it's money, and ignore the fact he's from there, has a sister going to Nebraska, and a dad who's an alum & former athlete. Most of the large NIL deals reported are just that, rumors. Can't find the article right now, but there was an interview with some college coaches & he had a player come to him & say that another player was getting $X when in fact that player was getting a fraction of it. It also depends on whether you believe paying individual athletes great deals & not the others is a good idea? I don't. I believe equal disbursements, plus the opportunity to earn more on their own, is the right way to go. WSU just lost one of their best players to the portal due to, reportedly, another player getting a better NIL deal. Is that what you want to be dealing with on a regular basis? We made the Final 4 with our NIL program last year. FAU did the same. Ours can always get better, but it's a solid foundation. The phrase "less is more" doesn't apply, but you also don't have to throw money around like it's going out of style. I bet our staff will put together another very successful basketball team given what we're offering. Do I hate all these reports about guys supposedly going elsewhere due to money, sure. Do I believe all of them, no. Would it be nice to land another transfer, this time a big? Obviously. I think we will. In the meantime, people who are just bitching about it but not actually donating to MESA or AztecLink are just that, bitches.
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Post by aztecking on May 3, 2023 9:26:06 GMT -8
According to zeigler Allick is getting 300k in NIL and Washington is going to get offered between 450k-600k. But yes 2k a month is a totally great nil package right coug? Our NIL package is still significantly better than the majority of programs around the country. Per Opendorse, the average D1 athlete earned $3,711 in NIL in 2021, and it was expected to be around $4,600 in 2022. Ours earned $20k. There will always be a few getting paid the bigger bucks, but that's not everyone nor is it required to be successful. Other factors come into play. Allick was miserable at New Mexico getting $100k, so the assumption that Nebraska was about NIL is just that, an assumption. People just assume it's money, and ignore the fact he's from there, has a sister going to Nebraska, and a dad who's an alum & former athlete. Most of the large NIL deals reported are just that, rumors. Can't find the article right now, but there was an interview with some college coaches & he had a player come to him & say that another player was getting $X when in fact that player was getting a fraction of it. It also depends on whether you believe paying individual athletes great deals & not the others is a good idea? I don't. I believe equal disbursements, plus the opportunity to earn more on their own, is the right way to go. WSU just lost one of their best players to the portal due to, reportedly, another player getting a better NIL deal. Is that what you want to be dealing with on a regular basis? We made the Final 4 with our NIL program last year. FAU did the same. Ours can always get better, but it's a solid foundation. The phrase "less is more" doesn't apply, but you also don't have to throw money around like it's going out of style. I bet our staff will put together another very successful basketball team given what we're offering. Do I hate all these reports about guys supposedly going elsewhere due to money, sure. Do I believe all of them, no. Would it be nice to land another transfer, this time a big? Obviously. I think we will. In the meantime, people who are just bitching about it but not actually donating to MESA or AztecLink are just that, bitches. The problem is this is really the first offseason where NIL has become the major focus for transfers. It was starting last year but wasn’t nearly as widespread as it has become this offseason. You don’t find it concerning that New Mexico can offer 3rd or 4th options on their team $150k+, which is 6x what we offer our best player? You may not agree with the numbers but that’s what every reporter with connections to these programs is putting out there. I tend to think they are telling the truth. The P5 programs are flush with money from football and media deals and that is starting to trickle into basketball NIL. I know schools can’t directly fund it but they can easily find workarounds. The fact is that P6 schools (and apparently some schools in our own conference) have the NIL resources to poach any recruits we may be competing over.
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2023 9:33:22 GMT -8
Our NIL package is still significantly better than the majority of programs around the country. Per Opendorse, the average D1 athlete earned $3,711 in NIL in 2021, and it was expected to be around $4,600 in 2022. Ours earned $20k. There will always be a few getting paid the bigger bucks, but that's not everyone nor is it required to be successful. Other factors come into play. Allick was miserable at New Mexico getting $100k, so the assumption that Nebraska was about NIL is just that, an assumption. People just assume it's money, and ignore the fact he's from there, has a sister going to Nebraska, and a dad who's an alum & former athlete. Most of the large NIL deals reported are just that, rumors. Can't find the article right now, but there was an interview with some college coaches & he had a player come to him & say that another player was getting $X when in fact that player was getting a fraction of it. It also depends on whether you believe paying individual athletes great deals & not the others is a good idea? I don't. I believe equal disbursements, plus the opportunity to earn more on their own, is the right way to go. WSU just lost one of their best players to the portal due to, reportedly, another player getting a better NIL deal. Is that what you want to be dealing with on a regular basis? We made the Final 4 with our NIL program last year. FAU did the same. Ours can always get better, but it's a solid foundation. The phrase "less is more" doesn't apply, but you also don't have to throw money around like it's going out of style. I bet our staff will put together another very successful basketball team given what we're offering. Do I hate all these reports about guys supposedly going elsewhere due to money, sure. Do I believe all of them, no. Would it be nice to land another transfer, this time a big? Obviously. I think we will. In the meantime, people who are just bitching about it but not actually donating to MESA or AztecLink are just that, bitches. The problem is this is really the first offseason where NIL has become the major focus for transfers. It was starting last year but wasn’t nearly as widespread as it has become this offseason. Y ou don’t find it concerning that New Mexico can offer 3rd or 4th options on their team $150k+, which is 6x what we offer our best player? You may not agree with the numbers but that’s what every reporter with connections to these programs is putting out there. I tend to think they are telling the truth. The P5 programs are flush with money from football and media deals and that is starting to trickle into basketball NIL. I know schools can’t directly fund it but they can easily find workarounds. The fact is that P6 schools (and apparently some schools in our own conference) have the NIL resources to poach any recruits we may be competing over. They lost 3 of their top 6 players to the portal - they LEFT that supposedly great NIL deal. So no, I don't find it concerning. They're in Albuquerque - they need to do something, but it hasn't worked. FYI, several P6 schools have worse NIL programs than we do. We can step it up, but one school I'm not concerned with is New Mex.
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Post by rockshow on May 3, 2023 9:36:34 GMT -8
According to zeigler Allick is getting 300k in NIL and Washington is going to get offered between 450k-600k. But yes 2k a month is a totally great nil package right coug? Our NIL package is still significantly better than the majority of programs around the country. Per Opendorse, the average D1 athlete earned $3,711 in NIL in 2021, and it was expected to be around $4,600 in 2022. Ours earned $20k. There will always be a few getting paid the bigger bucks, but that's not everyone nor is it required to be successful. Other factors come into play. Allick was miserable at New Mexico getting $100k, so the assumption that Nebraska was about NIL is just that, an assumption. People just assume it's money, and ignore the fact he's from there, has a sister going to Nebraska, and a dad who's an alum & former athlete. Most of the large NIL deals reported are just that, rumors. Can't find the article right now, but there was an interview with some college coaches & he had a player come to him & say that another player was getting $X when in fact that player was getting a fraction of it. It also depends on whether you believe paying individual athletes great deals & not the others is a good idea? I don't. I believe equal disbursements, plus the opportunity to earn more on their own, is the right way to go. WSU just lost one of their best players to the portal due to, reportedly, another player getting a better NIL deal. Is that what you want to be dealing with on a regular basis? We made the Final 4 with our NIL program last year. FAU did the same. Ours can always get better, but it's a solid foundation. The phrase "less is more" doesn't apply, but you also don't have to throw money around like it's going out of style. I bet our staff will put together another very successful basketball team given what we're offering. Do I hate all these reports about guys supposedly going elsewhere due to money, sure. Do I believe all of them, no. Would it be nice to land another transfer, this time a big? Obviously. I think we will. In the meantime, people who are just bitching about it but not actually donating to MESA or AztecLink are just that, bitches. I understand why you think all this, and I'm not saying it's invalid, but I know our coaching staff doesn't agree with you. And the only reason I say that is because I don't want there to be a sentiment on here that gives people the impression that they don't need to donate to NIL because our coaching staff is cool with where we're at, because... they are not. And I only share that because I want more people to feel compelled to donate to MESA or take the initiative to reach out to SDSU on behalf of their business, or to gather other local businesses together to start a fund of their own.
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Post by aztecking on May 3, 2023 9:37:51 GMT -8
The problem is this is really the first offseason where NIL has become the major focus for transfers. It was starting last year but wasn’t nearly as widespread as it has become this offseason. Y ou don’t find it concerning that New Mexico can offer 3rd or 4th options on their team $150k+, which is 6x what we offer our best player? You may not agree with the numbers but that’s what every reporter with connections to these programs is putting out there. I tend to think they are telling the truth. The P5 programs are flush with money from football and media deals and that is starting to trickle into basketball NIL. I know schools can’t directly fund it but they can easily find workarounds. The fact is that P6 schools (and apparently some schools in our own conference) have the NIL resources to poach any recruits we may be competing over. They lost 3 of their top 6 players to the portal - they LEFT that supposedly great NIL deal. So no, I don't find it concerning. They're in Albuquerque - they need to do something, but it hasn't worked. FYI, several P6 schools have worse NIL programs than we do. We can step it up, but one school I'm not concerned with is New Mex. They left cause they weren’t getting enough (which was already way more than we offer). Allick left $150k to get $300k from Nebraska and Washington left Arizona St for offers that are like $450k. We aren’t even in the same universe as this stuff. I have a hard time seeing Washington choose $24k from us (even considering the fit and our success) over $450k from some middling Big 12 team. Frankly he would be stupid to pick us from this standpoint.
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2023 9:39:49 GMT -8
would guess that Lobo fans and sponsors are much more willing to support their basketball teams then their football - that is their major sport in the area
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Post by CbLsD on May 3, 2023 9:42:58 GMT -8
I see that the Center from SJSU Diallo just entered the portal. He’s a seven footer that has some game.
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2023 9:44:42 GMT -8
They lost 3 of their top 6 players to the portal - they LEFT that supposedly great NIL deal. So no, I don't find it concerning. They're in Albuquerque - they need to do something, but it hasn't worked. FYI, several P6 schools have worse NIL programs than we do. We can step it up, but one school I'm not concerned with is New Mex. They left cause they weren’t getting enough (which was already way more than we offer). Allick left $150k to get $300k from Nebraska and Washington left Arizona St for offers that are like $450k. We aren’t even in the same universe as this stuff. I have a hard time seeing Washington choose $24k from us (even considering the fit and our success) over $450k from some middling Big 12 team. Frankly he would be stupid to pick us from this standpoint. Jenkins left why? J Johnson? One was the team captain & 6th man and a critical player, and the other a starter at the 4. They lost half their core team. If their NIL program is so good then why does that happen? They added guys to replace what they lost - how is basically staying the same a great plan? Allick said he was miserable at New Mex despite the NIL deal. It wasn't his motivation.
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Post by aztecking on May 3, 2023 9:50:29 GMT -8
They left cause they weren’t getting enough (which was already way more than we offer). Allick left $150k to get $300k from Nebraska and Washington left Arizona St for offers that are like $450k. We aren’t even in the same universe as this stuff. I have a hard time seeing Washington choose $24k from us (even considering the fit and our success) over $450k from some middling Big 12 team. Frankly he would be stupid to pick us from this standpoint. Jenkins left why? J Johnson? One was the team captain & 6th man and a critical player, and the other a starter at the 4. They lost half their core team. If their NIL program is so good then why does that happen? They added guys to replace what they lost - how is basically staying the same a great plan? Allick said he was miserable at New Mex despite the NIL deal. It wasn't his motivation. Their NIL is good (by non-power team standards) but this just shows the widening gap between the haves and have nots. While they offer way more than us they are still a relatively small fish in this and not immune to NIL poaching from larger programs, but they have replaced their losses with a couple good players and that was probably thanks to their NIL program. I guess we will never know, but maybe House and Mashburn stuck around due to big NIL offers from New Mexico.
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2023 9:52:16 GMT -8
Our NIL package is still significantly better than the majority of programs around the country. Per Opendorse, the average D1 athlete earned $3,711 in NIL in 2021, and it was expected to be around $4,600 in 2022. Ours earned $20k. There will always be a few getting paid the bigger bucks, but that's not everyone nor is it required to be successful. Other factors come into play. Allick was miserable at New Mexico getting $100k, so the assumption that Nebraska was about NIL is just that, an assumption. People just assume it's money, and ignore the fact he's from there, has a sister going to Nebraska, and a dad who's an alum & former athlete. Most of the large NIL deals reported are just that, rumors. Can't find the article right now, but there was an interview with some college coaches & he had a player come to him & say that another player was getting $X when in fact that player was getting a fraction of it. It also depends on whether you believe paying individual athletes great deals & not the others is a good idea? I don't. I believe equal disbursements, plus the opportunity to earn more on their own, is the right way to go. WSU just lost one of their best players to the portal due to, reportedly, another player getting a better NIL deal. Is that what you want to be dealing with on a regular basis? We made the Final 4 with our NIL program last year. FAU did the same. Ours can always get better, but it's a solid foundation. The phrase "less is more" doesn't apply, but you also don't have to throw money around like it's going out of style. I bet our staff will put together another very successful basketball team given what we're offering. Do I hate all these reports about guys supposedly going elsewhere due to money, sure. Do I believe all of them, no. Would it be nice to land another transfer, this time a big? Obviously. I think we will. In the meantime, people who are just bitching about it but not actually donating to MESA or AztecLink are just that, bitches. I understand why you think all this, and I'm not saying it's invalid, but I know our coaching staff doesn't agree with you. And the only reason I say that is because I don't want there to be a sentiment on here that gives people the impression that they don't need to donate to NIL because our coaching staff is cool with where we're at, because... they are not. And I only share that because I want more people to feel compelled to donate to MESA or take the initiative to reach out to SDSU on behalf of their business, or to gather other local businesses together to start a fund of their own. Where did I even partially insinuate "that they don't need to donate to NIL"? Did you read my last sentence, or the 'ours can always get better' part? Quite the opposite. I've talked to the staff on this as well, and they like the overall format (equal shares). Obviously, every coach in every sport would like to operate with the largest budget, but that's not always possible. But we don't have to throw silly money around either. Having people thinking we do isn't a good motivation for donating either. Realistic goals are best, and right now the realistic goal is to ensure we meet last year's budget this year, then work on growing that. I've been a MESA member for nearly a year, and will continue to do so. I've always promoted it. If you think otherwise you apparently haven't been reading my posts. But I'm also a firm believer in the format we're following.
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Post by dirtball on May 3, 2023 9:59:43 GMT -8
They left cause they weren’t getting enough (which was already way more than we offer). Allick left $150k to get $300k from Nebraska and Washington left Arizona St for offers that are like $450k. We aren’t even in the same universe as this stuff. I have a hard time seeing Washington choose $24k from us (even considering the fit and our success) over $450k from some middling Big 12 team. Frankly he would be stupid to pick us from this standpoint. Jenkins left why? J Johnson? One was the team captain & 6th man and a critical player, and the other a starter at the 4. They lost half their core team. If their NIL program is so good then why does that happen? They added guys to replace what they lost - how is basically staying the same a great plan? Allick said he was miserable at New Mex despite the NIL deal. It wasn't his motivation. Jenkins left because he was playing 18 minutes a game. Down from the season before. His leaving had nothing to do with NIL. He is looking for a more prominent role. Peopled transferred for various reasons before NIL. The Aztecs were often the destination. It will be much harder now. The coaches are in public asking for help. You are literally downplaying the importance of a strong NIL. You have been doing this over and over for months. Now that you are getting called on it, you are backtracking a bit. If you think the coaches are okay with just Mesa and the 2K a month it brings you are out of your mind.
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2023 10:09:02 GMT -8
Would guess that Aztec coaches should have a decent amount of film on San Jose State's Diallo - think he played in 35 games last year was it 6 points and 6 rebounds - not sure about other defensive stats . He also played a couple of seasons with the Buckeyes but one season only played in 5 games due to injury . Think he would be a grad transfer - not sure if with Covid season and the injury season if he has 1 or 2 years ?
Do fellow coaches - Mills at San Jose have decent relations with say Dutcher to add to the film and games he has played against the Aztecs give them additional information
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2023 10:09:52 GMT -8
Jenkins left why? J Johnson? One was the team captain & 6th man and a critical player, and the other a starter at the 4. They lost half their core team. If their NIL program is so good then why does that happen? They added guys to replace what they lost - how is basically staying the same a great plan? Allick said he was miserable at New Mex despite the NIL deal. It wasn't his motivation. Jenkins left because he was playing 18 minutes a game. Down from the season before. His leaving had nothing to do with NIL. He is looking for a more prominent role. Peopled transferred for various reasons before NIL. The Aztecs were often the destination. It will be much harder now. The coaches are in public asking for help. You are literally downplaying the importance of a strong NIL. You have been doing this over and over for months. Now that you are getting called on it, you are backtracking a bit. If you think the coaches are okay with just Mesa and the 2K a month it brings you are out of your mind. I have never "downplayed" the importance of NIL. What I have been saying is ours isn't as bad as some on here tend to believe and, as you said, players transfers for other reasons than NIL (see Jenkins). I've ALWAYS said we need to and can improve, but the format of equal shares is the right format. I've heard 4 our of coaches specifically say it's their preference. Let's worry about going from $2k to $3k before we start worrying about $100k for any single player. That's been my message from the get go. Sorry if you missed it.
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Post by dunksalot on May 3, 2023 10:10:50 GMT -8
I liked Allick from the first time I saw him play for unm. He's a good player that would help the Aztecs. I am truly amazed that he can command $300K for one year; which is about what the entire Aztec team will be paid for next season. Lucky guy! Quite a perspective. I remember when I was at SDSU and Tony Clark signed his MLB bonus. He was still attending SDSU and drove around in a pimped out BMW 535i with hip-hop blaring and an "UNFADEABLE" euro plate on the front. I must have been impressed because I remember it well, but I also remember thinking how difficult it must have been at times with people's expectations. Just going to grab dinner alone is no problem but does he always pay for the whole group every time now?
With NIL, some transfers are going to have to deal with that - as would Dutch & staff.
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Post by rockshow on May 3, 2023 10:18:14 GMT -8
I understand why you think all this, and I'm not saying it's invalid, but I know our coaching staff doesn't agree with you. And the only reason I say that is because I don't want there to be a sentiment on here that gives people the impression that they don't need to donate to NIL because our coaching staff is cool with where we're at, because... they are not. And I only share that because I want more people to feel compelled to donate to MESA or take the initiative to reach out to SDSU on behalf of their business, or to gather other local businesses together to start a fund of their own. Where did I even partially insinuate "that they don't need to donate to NIL"? Did you read my last sentence, or the 'ours can always get better' part? Quite the opposite. I've talked to the staff on this as well, and they like the overall format (equal shares). Obviously, every coach in every sport would like to operate with the largest budget, but that's not always possible. But we don't have to throw silly money around either. Having people thinking we do isn't a good motivation for donating either. Realistic goals are best, and right now the realistic goal is to ensure we meet last year's budget this year, then work on growing that. I've been a MESA member for nearly a year, and will continue to do so. I've always promoted it. If you think otherwise you apparently haven't been reading my posts. But I'm also a firm believer in the format we're following. It's not that I think you think NIL is unimportant, but if you have talked to our coaches/staff, then I'm guessing they've told you that it's really hard to compete with other schools in this environment with our classic recruiting pitches. We're priced out of a lot of top transfers who won't even consider talking to us. Sure, we can get lucky with guys like RDW who never bring up NIL because his family is very well off anyway, but that's rare. So I don't get the impression you are disregarding NIL, but from reading your posts, you don't seem to think the situation is as drastic as I do. I just think it's not helpful when your kitchen is on fire, and the fire could spread to the rest of the house, and someone is telling people in the house that it's not a big deal, and we need to be realistic that sometimes things are on fire and it would be nice if it's not on fire, but the goal should be to hopefully put the fire out eventually but no need to overreact. And if you don't think that's a fitting metaphor, then just watch what happens to our team if we don't improve our NIL soon. If everything stays the same and we keep paying players $2k/month, we're just not gonna get as talented of players, especially not in the transfer market, and we're gonna see more and more current players leave our team to get more money elsewhere. Right now a lot of our recruiting is with our own players. AFTER MAKING IT TO THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. So I have a hard time having a reasonable conversation with anyone who thinks our current NIL isn't a 10/10 problem facing our team moving forward.
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Post by aztecking on May 3, 2023 10:26:21 GMT -8
It’s just a totally different world now. We are a month off of going to the freaking National Title game and we are struggling to bring guys in. Thank goodness we got RDW but that was largely cause NIL was not a major focus for him (pretty darn rare nowadays). This should’ve been our shining moment to bring top talent in coming off this success and publicity, but we can’t really attract top guys with what we offer financially and even lost a long tenured guy who may have been the team captain next season due to NIL.
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Post by aztecfred on May 3, 2023 10:31:45 GMT -8
Why do you think Butler will move on? Too much silence. Like Rodgers goin into cave/dome of silence. But, just a feeling. Plus if he starts hearing about BIG bucks being handed out......
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