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Post by sdsuball on May 2, 2023 17:47:00 GMT -8
According to zeigler Allick is getting 300k in NIL and Washington is going to get offered between 450k-600k. But yes 2k a month is a totally great nil package right coug? SDSU lost one target on Tuesday afternoon when New Mexico forward Josiah Allick picked Nebraska after also visiting the Aztecs and Southern Illinois. And another tantalizing possibility, 7-foot Arizona State grad transfer (and Mission Hills High School alum) Warren Washington, reportedly is being offered north of $500,000 in Name, Image and Likeness payments that Aztecs boosters don’t seem equipped to match.
Allick, too, may have been motivated by NIL. A source said he will receive $300,000 to play for Nebraska, at least double what he supposedly got in his only season at New Mexico after transferring from Kansas City.
Washington is visiting Texas Tech and TCU this week, according to a tweet from CBS Sports’ Jon Rothstein. Kentucky is also believed to be involved, with the NIL numbers being thrown around ranging from $450,000 to $600,000. - www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2023-05-02/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-josiah-allick-new-mexico-nebraska-warren-washington-arizona-state-transfer-portalWell it looks like we are going to have to find more diamond in the rough types ala. Yanni/LeDee. Disappointing to say the least.
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Post by azteccc on May 2, 2023 18:10:08 GMT -8
Bye bye. Final Four, championship game not paying huge dividends… Lot of us are perfectly fine with this… not our best available option and he’s coming off surgery.
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Post by azteccc on May 2, 2023 18:22:51 GMT -8
The median income in the US is around $55,000 per year.
If you’re not going to play professional basketball for long, or at all, after college, it would be pretty silly to not accept 10x that to play for a year at an inferior school.
We need to come up with something better than MESA before next recruiting year.
That being said, I think we will thrive if and only if we find guys that are “pretty silly” in regards to what they value personally against what the world around them values in this age.
We’ve always found those types of guys, it’s what’s made us successful as a non-P5. It will become more challenging to entice guys when money is talking, but it won’t be impossible.
In the meantime we just need to find a happy medium on NIL resources. $75-80k each on the men’s side is less than $1M per year. That is A LOT BETTER than $2k/month.
I ask you all to consider, what is the best way to raise an ongoing $85,000 per month strictly for the men’s basketball team? It’s time to get creative in avenues not currently in existence.
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Post by aztecking on May 2, 2023 18:43:10 GMT -8
Our championship game run came at the perfect time. Right before most transfer’s decisions became solely focused on what school would pay them the most. We can’t compete with that and the P6’s will beat us every time for a recruit if that’s important. Before we could at least sell tradition, winning, coaching, facilities, but in an NIL focused world that makes little difference. Hopefully our move to the PAC will change some things around funding for this.
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Post by dirtball on May 2, 2023 18:49:13 GMT -8
According to zeigler Allick is getting 300k in NIL and Washington is going to get offered between 450k-600k. But yes 2k a month is a totally great nil package right coug? SDSU is never going to offer players mid six figures. Those players pulling down that type of money is just stupid. It is what it is at this point. We will have to see what happens once we are in the Pac 12. We can't even compete NIL wise with the likes of New Mexico. That is an issue.
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Post by sdsuball on May 2, 2023 18:53:50 GMT -8
The median income in the US is around $55,000 per year. If you’re not going to play professional basketball for long, or at all, after college, it would be pretty silly to not accept 10x that to play for a year at an inferior school. We need to come up with something better than MESA before next recruiting year. That being said, I think we will thrive if and only if we find guys that are “pretty silly” in regards to what they value personally against what the world around them values in this age. We’ve always found those types of guys, it’s what’s made us successful as a non-P5. It will become more challenging to entice guys when money is talking, but it won’t be impossible. In the meantime we just need to find a happy medium on NIL resources. $75-80k each on the men’s side is less than $1M per year. That is A LOT BETTER than $2k/month. I ask you all to consider, what is the best way to raise an ongoing $85,000 per month strictly for the men’s basketball team? It’s time to get creative in avenues not currently in existence. Maybe we pay players based on their amount of experience? 2k/month for freshmen, 3k/month for sophomores, 4k/month for juniors, 5k/month for seniors, 6k/month for 5th year players That would be 72K for 5th year players, 60k for seniors, 48k for juniors, 36k for sophmores, 24k for freshmen. That would incentivize players to stay at SDSU, and would make us more competitive with top transfers. If our team was 2 freshmen, 3 sophmores, 3 juniors, 3 seniors, 2 5th year players, that would be $624k/year in NIL money. Currently our program of 13 scholarship players x $24k/year is paying out $312k/year in NIL money - so that change would double our NIL expenditure. But at least the program would "feel" more fair to our returning players, that they are making more money then they did last year, that they are being rewarded for staying at SDSU.
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Post by jp92grad on May 2, 2023 19:16:38 GMT -8
The median income in the US is around $55,000 per year. If you’re not going to play professional basketball for long, or at all, after college, it would be pretty silly to not accept 10x that to play for a year at an inferior school. We need to come up with something better than MESA before next recruiting year. That being said, I think we will thrive if and only if we find guys that are “pretty silly” in regards to what they value personally against what the world around them values in this age. We’ve always found those types of guys, it’s what’s made us successful as a non-P5. It will become more challenging to entice guys when money is talking, but it won’t be impossible. In the meantime we just need to find a happy medium on NIL resources. $75-80k each on the men’s side is less than $1M per year. That is A LOT BETTER than $2k/month. I ask you all to consider, what is the best way to raise an ongoing $85,000 per month strictly for the men’s basketball team? It’s time to get creative in avenues not currently in existence. Maybe we pay players based on their amount of experience? 2k/month for freshmen, 3k/month for sophomores, 4k/month for juniors, 5k/month for seniors, 6k/month for 5th year players That would be 72K for 5th year players, 60k for seniors, 48k for juniors, 36k for sophmores, 24k for freshmen. That would incentivize players to stay at SDSU, and would make us more competitive with top transfers. If our team was 2 freshmen, 3 sophmores, 3 juniors, 3 seniors, 2 5th year players, that would be $624k/year in NIL money. Currently our program of 13 scholarship players x $24k/year is paying out $312k/year in NIL money - so that change would double our NIL expenditure. But at least the program would "feel" more fair to our returning players, that they are making more money then they did last year, that they are being rewarded for staying at SDSU. These types off ideas are more likely to get more fans and boosters involved in helping out the program. I could also see maybe taking it a step beyond that and setting up a Graduation Bonus like when you Graduate you get a certain amount of money or another year of School/Grad School paid for. They could also increase their post graduation support with tutoring in job search, mentoring, internships and just overall networking to help them transition into the real world. I know they already do it now, but just do it that much BETTER! They need to look at a true low level grassroots low dollar fund raiser, like setting up a goal of getting say 10K basketball fans donating 10-15 dollars a month (about .50 cents a day) into the basketball fund.
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Post by aztecking on May 2, 2023 19:19:13 GMT -8
The median income in the US is around $55,000 per year. If you’re not going to play professional basketball for long, or at all, after college, it would be pretty silly to not accept 10x that to play for a year at an inferior school. We need to come up with something better than MESA before next recruiting year. That being said, I think we will thrive if and only if we find guys that are “pretty silly” in regards to what they value personally against what the world around them values in this age. We’ve always found those types of guys, it’s what’s made us successful as a non-P5. It will become more challenging to entice guys when money is talking, but it won’t be impossible. In the meantime we just need to find a happy medium on NIL resources. $75-80k each on the men’s side is less than $1M per year. That is A LOT BETTER than $2k/month. I ask you all to consider, what is the best way to raise an ongoing $85,000 per month strictly for the men’s basketball team? It’s time to get creative in avenues not currently in existence. Maybe we pay players based on their amount of experience? 2k/month for freshmen, 3k/month for sophomores, 4k/month for juniors, 5k/month for seniors, 6k/month for 5th year players That would be 72K for 5th year players, 60k for seniors, 48k for juniors, 36k for sophmores, 24k for freshmen. That would incentivize players to stay at SDSU, and would make us more competitive with top transfers. If our team was 2 freshmen, 3 sophmores, 3 juniors, 3 seniors, 2 5th year players, that would be $624k/year in NIL money. Currently our program of 13 scholarship players x $24k/year is paying out $312k/year in NIL money - so that change would double our NIL expenditure. But at least the program would "feel" more fair to our returning players, that they are making more money then they did last year, that they are being rewarded for staying at SDSU. That’s a smart idea. I think we are quickly realizing our current flat $2k/month rate just isn’t gonna cut it in the current environment. Not when teams below us in our own conference can offer $150k for 3rd or 4th options on the team.
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Post by Gundo on May 2, 2023 19:23:02 GMT -8
Disappointing, now kids are playing with house money and a free year of eligibility (Covid year.) Schools and coaches be damned, just pay me, with a billionaires check book.
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Post by jdaztec on May 2, 2023 19:59:34 GMT -8
Been Season ticket holder since 93, Love my Aztecs. I was never much of a Chargers Fan because I liked everything about College ...playing for your School and being rewarded with a free education .I think what we have set up at 2k per month per player makes a lot os sense. I realize we may eventually ( and maybe soon) have to go into the business of paying large amount of $ to get good players.
I find it all really disappointing and sad.
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Post by docmm on May 2, 2023 20:51:52 GMT -8
Bad News- NIL sucks and the big programs once again have an advantage.
Good News - Since the schools themselves can't contribute to NIL, the big money has to come from boosters and sponsors. If NIL never gets more regulated, things will continue like this for a couple years but eventually NIL contributors will realize they're not getting much of a fiscal return on their $300-$600K "investments". They'll realize that's it's not really an investment, it's more of a gift. And unless they're heading to front-row seat at the Final Four or at least the Sweet Sixteen, they'll get tired of "giving" and it won't have been worth it.
It just doesn't seem like a system that can be sustained over a long period of time unless the schools themselves are allowed to start paying their athletes directly. Then at least the PAC12 $(if it ever comes), could help.
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Post by Gundo on May 2, 2023 22:09:52 GMT -8
Been Season ticket holder since 93, Love my Aztecs. I was never much of a Chargers Fan because I liked everything about College ...playing for your School and being rewarded with a free education .I think what we have set up at 2k per month per player makes a lot os sense. I realize we may eventually ( and maybe soon) have to go into the business of paying large amount of $ to get good players. I find it all really disappointing and sad. Allick 2 years at $300,000 for Nebraska, 7'0" Washington's range $450,000 to $600,000, Texas Tech, TCU, and even Kentucky .
SDSU scholarship players each received $2,000 per month last season from the MESA Foundation, the NIL collective for Aztecs men’s and women’s basketball that makes payments in exchange for participation in community service events.
“There’s no real way to know exactly what everybody else is doing,” Jeff Smith, MESA’s co-founder, said the week of the Final Four, “but you do hear these intimidating numbers and it does make you nervous. It makes my head spin.
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Post by Gundo on May 2, 2023 22:21:41 GMT -8
Per SDUT - Mark Zeigler 5.2.2023
Jay Pal, a 6-9, 190-pound grad transfer from Campbell who has one year of eligibility remaining. He averaged 12.3 points, 6.9 rebounds and 1.5 blocks per game in his only season at Campbell, being named to the Big South all-tournament team after a 26-point, 10-rebound performance in the championship game.
He is from Omaha, Neb., Arop’s hometown and part of the South Sudanese community that settled there. Pal played at Omaha Central High, Arop at Omaha South. Both spent time after high school at The Skill Factory, a post-grad academy in Atlanta.
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Post by pbnative on May 3, 2023 4:31:40 GMT -8
Bad News- NIL sucks and the big programs once again have an advantage. Good News - Since the schools themselves can't contribute to NIL, the big money has to come from boosters and sponsors. If NIL never gets more regulated, things will continue like this for a couple years but eventually NIL contributors will realize they're not getting much of a fiscal return on their $300-$600K "investments". They'll realize that's it's not really an investment, it's more of a gift. And unless they're heading to front-row seat at the Final Four or at least the Sweet Sixteen, they'll get tired of "giving" and it won't have been worth it. It just doesn't seem like a system that can be sustained over a long period of time unless the schools themselves are allowed to start paying their athletes directly. Then at least the PAC12 $(if it ever comes), could help. Good news, NIL will need to be regulated at some point in the next 2 to 5 years. Bad news - NCAA will allow the schools to "Monitor & Control" NIL to "Protect" the athletes. The flowing week Ohio St will announce that football & basketball players will get a share of the Billion dollar TV & game day revenue.
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Post by partytecs on May 3, 2023 5:52:13 GMT -8
So it's kind of amazingly disgusting that we can't seem to NIL-compete with the likes of New Mexico? I know Dutcher wants everyone to get the same but this transfer cycle feels off, especially given our incredibly deep run in MM and all the National attention. I know it's still early but I guess I just assumed there would be more benefits earlier from our run. And now to lose KJ for sure and maybe even Butler on top of the 4 graduating guys, takes away that post-MM euphoria pretty fast. Why do you think we are going to lose Butler? Is it a fear or have you heard anything?
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Post by partytecs on May 3, 2023 5:53:26 GMT -8
So, 40 pages/dozens of who is n isn't coming and we have signed 1. It is just like the Pac 12 thread, nobody's right it everybody's wrong. I only believe someone is coming when they announce they are committed. There still hundreds still n portal and my guess is we will sign at least one more and hope he turns out to be a Yanni? But, my gut says that this will turn into a rebuild year with youngsters playing more than usual. Gonna start out a little rough but, come on late. Get eerie feeling that Butler will move on this year and set us back more?? Just a feeling! Looking forward to just committed threads. Why do you think Butler will move on?
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Post by docmm on May 3, 2023 6:06:57 GMT -8
So it's kind of amazingly disgusting that we can't seem to NIL-compete with the likes of New Mexico? I know Dutcher wants everyone to get the same but this transfer cycle feels off, especially given our incredibly deep run in MM and all the National attention. I know it's still early but I guess I just assumed there would be more benefits earlier from our run. And now to lose KJ for sure and maybe even Butler on top of the 4 graduating guys, takes away that post-MM euphoria pretty fast. Why do you think we are going to lose Butler? Is it a fear or have you heard anything? It's only a possibility, not a probability. Sam Vencenie, a college and NBA basketball writer on "The Athletic", just updated his Top 100 for the 2023 NBA Draft today. Lamont Butler is #94 on the list. The only reason that matters is that he wasn't on the last Top 100 list. So maybe he begins to move up over the next two months enough to get a whiff of the 2nd Round. Probably not but who knows how Lamont and his family will see it.
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Post by ignoranus on May 3, 2023 6:46:17 GMT -8
I liked Allick from the first time I saw him play for unm. He's a good player that would help the Aztecs.
I am truly amazed that he can command $300K for one year; which is about what the entire Aztec team will be paid for next season.
Lucky guy!
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Post by aztecfred on May 3, 2023 6:46:46 GMT -8
So, 40 pages/dozens of who is n isn't coming and we have signed 1. It is just like the Pac 12 thread, nobody's right it everybody's wrong. I only believe someone is coming when they announce they are committed. There still hundreds still n portal and my guess is we will sign at least one more and hope he turns out to be a Yanni? But, my gut says that this will turn into a rebuild year with youngsters playing more than usual. Gonna start out a little rough but, come on late. Get eerie feeling that Butler will move on this year and set us back more?? Just a feeling! Looking forward to just committed threads. Why do you think Butler will move on? Too much silence. Like Rodgers goin into cave/dome of silence. But, just a feeling.
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2023 7:31:52 GMT -8
would presume Aztecs have reached out to Jay Pal also hope they are trying to get Aziz in for a visit
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