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Post by rockshow on May 3, 2023 10:32:09 GMT -8
I'm usually not a person who overreacts and I'm usually an "everything is gonna be fine" type of person. Especially with the trust and belief I have in our coaching staff. But the fact is, the situation right now with NIL is really really bad and it is really going to affect us negatively if nothing changes.
Maybe the positive change will be that businesses in San Diego step up to the plate and our NIL foundations create actual value for them that promises them some sort of ROI. I think that should be the number one goal. We need to incentivize businesses in the San Diego community to get involved and give them a reason beyond wanting Aztec basketball to be successful. I haven't talked directly to MESA or other NIL-related entities about their plans for all this, so I'm a total outsider, but I do wonder what their efforts have looked like in regards to this.
The other positive change is if NIL becomes less of the wild west and some regulations and caps are put into place that levels the playing field a little. I think that will happen eventually but I'm not sure how far we are away from that.
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 3, 2023 10:45:09 GMT -8
I'm usually not a person who overreacts and I'm usually an "everything is gonna be fine" type of person. Especially with the trust and belief I have in our coaching staff. But the fact is, the situation right now with NIL is really really bad and it is really going to affect us negatively if nothing changes. Maybe the positive change will be that businesses in San Diego step up to the plate and our NIL foundations create actual value for them that promises them some sort of ROI. I think that should be the number one goal. We need to incentivize businesses in the San Diego community to get involved and give them a reason beyond wanting Aztec basketball to be successful. I haven't talked directly to MESA or other NIL-related entities about their plans for all this, so I'm a total outsider, but I do wonder what their efforts have looked like in regards to this. The other positive change is if NIL becomes less of the wild west and some regulations and caps are put into place that levels the playing field a little. I think that will happen eventually but I'm not sure how far we are away from that. I am in the same boat… I am a little worried… but… I am hoping that school supports see that they are paying $2m to $5m for players three NiL and that they aren’t even making the tournament… hoping those dollars are going to dry up.
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Post by rockshow on May 3, 2023 10:51:29 GMT -8
I'm usually not a person who overreacts and I'm usually an "everything is gonna be fine" type of person. Especially with the trust and belief I have in our coaching staff. But the fact is, the situation right now with NIL is really really bad and it is really going to affect us negatively if nothing changes. Maybe the positive change will be that businesses in San Diego step up to the plate and our NIL foundations create actual value for them that promises them some sort of ROI. I think that should be the number one goal. We need to incentivize businesses in the San Diego community to get involved and give them a reason beyond wanting Aztec basketball to be successful. I haven't talked directly to MESA or other NIL-related entities about their plans for all this, so I'm a total outsider, but I do wonder what their efforts have looked like in regards to this. The other positive change is if NIL becomes less of the wild west and some regulations and caps are put into place that levels the playing field a little. I think that will happen eventually but I'm not sure how far we are away from that. I am in the same boat… I am a little worried… but… I am hoping that school supports see that they are paying $2m to $5m for players three NiL and that they aren’t even making the tournament… hoping those dollars are going to dry up. Yeah that's the other thing. Are some of these donors gonna get tired of giving hundreds of thousands of dollars when they are getting little to zero return on their investment? You would think...
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Post by CbLsD on May 3, 2023 11:02:53 GMT -8
I'm not sure what UC Berkeley’s NIL budget is but I cant imagine it’s much larger than ours. This is purely a guess on my part. That program has become one of the worst in all of CBB winning only 3 games last year. The Bears averaged 2,182 fans in their home games last year. Despite this they’ve managed to land 2 of the top 40 transfers on the market. They’ve also lost a bunch of kids but how can a downtrodden program like this still be bringing in top notch talent.
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2023 11:21:29 GMT -8
CAL has new coach Madsen was at Utah Valley also former NBA player and he has added 3 new assistant coaches that know how to recruit - so they are probably going to flip that roster and offer PT and other benefits
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Post by dirtball on May 3, 2023 11:43:17 GMT -8
Cal can at least offer guaranteed playing time, P12 conference (I know, I know) and a UC degree (I know, I know, it doesnt matter).
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Post by dirtball on May 3, 2023 11:47:11 GMT -8
SDSU may need to become less dependent on the transfer portal. There are some top 150 high school recruits that will get slept on because of the portal.
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Post by CbLsD on May 3, 2023 11:47:35 GMT -8
CAL has new coach Madsen was at Utah Valley also former NBA player and he has added 3 new assistant coaches that know how to recruit - so they are probably going to flip that roster and offer PT and other benefits What are “other” benefits? If they have a bunch of cash they’re passing out, I would understand. I don’t think that’s the case, I could be wrong. They play in front of no fans, are a perennial last-place team, and lost to UCSD and Southern University last year. The only thing I think they can offer is playing time, but it’ll be in front of nobody and on a $hit team. Perhaps we should look into poaching a couple of their 3 new coaches?
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Post by aztecking on May 3, 2023 11:49:19 GMT -8
SDSU may need to become less dependent on the transfer portal. There are some top 150 high school recruits that will get slept on because of the portal. The problem with that route is that if they surprise and play well early in their career there is a good chance they will jump at the money being offered elsewhere. At least with transfers they have to sit out a year if they transfer twice. So if you bring in a transfer there is a good chance they will stick around till their eligibility runs out.
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Post by dirtball on May 3, 2023 12:03:32 GMT -8
SDSU may need to become less dependent on the transfer portal. There are some top 150 high school recruits that will get slept on because of the portal. The problem with that route is that if they surprise and play well early in their career there is a good chance they will jump at the money being offered elsewhere. At least with transfers they have to sit out a year if they transfer twice. So if you bring in a transfer there is a good chance they will stick around till their eligibility runs out. You would hope that the culture in the program would fight against it. In addition, I would assume you would slow play their development a bit.
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Post by rockshow on May 3, 2023 13:44:22 GMT -8
If you don't think our current players are assessing if it's worth it to transfer and get paid more, you're wrong. And that's after going to the natty on a team where there's a super tight knit brotherhood. Hopefully they all stay and come back and I think there's a good chance they all will (minus Keshad), but if you can't even take for granted getting our guys to return from THIS team, then I don't know how you can assume you'll be able to keep players in the future.
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Post by aztecron on May 3, 2023 13:59:19 GMT -8
I am in the same boat… I am a little worried… but… I am hoping that school supports see that they are paying $2m to $5m for players three NiL and that they aren’t even making the tournament… hoping those dollars are going to dry up. Yeah that's the other thing. Are some of these donors gonna get tired of giving hundreds of thousands of dollars when they are getting little to zero return on their investment? You would think... This is a generalized statement taken to the extreme but this type of money has been in the background for years for certain programs. Now its just in the light for all to see. Not winning a NC or even a conference championship hasn't stopped the flow of money before and don't see it stopping now. I believe the NCAA is happy to be out of the NLI (hence money game) sphere.
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2023 14:04:22 GMT -8
I do not think anyone doubts the importance of the NIL situations
There is a separate thread in the other section where there is the same worries about it and possible losing of players and not being able to add others
But what much tougher is what can SDSU do about it and that should be presented in that other section
Can discuss back and forth but unless you have answer could we get back to MBB Player Movement - Yes realize Aztecs are losing players because of NIL but as this post lists 2023 - do you have proposals for 2023
Can SDSU hire professionals who know how to do what others are doing
Know all parties are trying to do what can be done for 2023 - not ignoring the problems but coming to grips with reality for 2023
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Post by dirtball on May 3, 2023 15:58:39 GMT -8
If you don't think our current players are assessing if it's worth it to transfer and get paid more, you're wrong. And that's after going to the natty on a team where there's a super tight knit brotherhood. Hopefully they all stay and come back and I think there's a good chance they all will (minus Keshad), but if you can't even take for granted getting our guys to return from THIS team, then I don't know how you can assume you'll be able to keep players in the future. Trust me. I know. I literally know of specific player that is considering transferring at this moment. That being said, what can anyone do about it? I think you look to more high school kids, and slowly develop them. If they leave you try to plug in a transfer here and there, but beyond that, you reload with high school kids, unless there is a max exodus. BTW, the one thing that may trump nil cash, is legit playing time. Thats not something we can offer now (which hurts us a bit), but if we do lose more kids, it will be easier to bring in transfers. See Utah State and Wyoming.
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Post by dunksalot on May 3, 2023 17:05:57 GMT -8
Our boosters are generous yet slow to open their wallets as we saw just how long it took to fund the Jam Center (and huge thanks to those major donors who made it happen). I suppose it shouldn't be much of a surprise right now. Eventually we will have the right person(s) standing things up as our boosters with disposable income have to be just as excited about a Finals game. They can see the program taking a step backwards if nothing changes.
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Post by partytecs on May 3, 2023 17:20:29 GMT -8
Where did I even partially insinuate "that they don't need to donate to NIL"? Did you read my last sentence, or the 'ours can always get better' part? Quite the opposite. I've talked to the staff on this as well, and they like the overall format (equal shares). Obviously, every coach in every sport would like to operate with the largest budget, but that's not always possible. But we don't have to throw silly money around either. Having people thinking we do isn't a good motivation for donating either. Realistic goals are best, and right now the realistic goal is to ensure we meet last year's budget this year, then work on growing that. I've been a MESA member for nearly a year, and will continue to do so. I've always promoted it. If you think otherwise you apparently haven't been reading my posts. But I'm also a firm believer in the format we're following. It's not that I think you think NIL is unimportant, but if you have talked to our coaches/staff, then I'm guessing they've told you that it's really hard to compete with other schools in this environment with our classic recruiting pitches. We're priced out of a lot of top transfers who won't even consider talking to us. Sure, we can get lucky with guys like RDW who never bring up NIL because his family is very well off anyway, but that's rare. So I don't get the impression you are disregarding NIL, but from reading your posts, you don't seem to think the situation is as drastic as I do. I just think it's not helpful when your kitchen is on fire, and the fire could spread to the rest of the house, and someone is telling people in the house that it's not a big deal, and we need to be realistic that sometimes things are on fire and it would be nice if it's not on fire, but the goal should be to hopefully put the fire out eventually but no need to overreact. And if you don't think that's a fitting metaphor, then just watch what happens to our team if we don't improve our NIL soon. If everything stays the same and we keep paying players $2k/month, we're just not gonna get as talented of players, especially not in the transfer market, and we're gonna see more and more current players leave our team to get more money elsewhere. Right now a lot of our recruiting is with our own players. AFTER MAKING IT TO THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. So I have a hard time having a reasonable conversation with anyone who thinks our current NIL isn't a 10/10 problem facing our team moving forward. Maybe it wasn't luck with RDW, maybe it was a player/coach combo?
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2023 17:57:52 GMT -8
So what Portal players are coming to visit in May
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Post by tayloner on May 3, 2023 19:52:00 GMT -8
Trying not to be discouraged, but kinda hard not to be. That being said, still a few options out there between the SJSU and Utah Valley guys, plus a little more time for others to enter.
We will 1000000% need to improve NIL in the future in a big way, but hopefully we can still be successful this off-season and continue to ride this momentum we created throughout the tournament.
Just need 1 more big worst case, hopefully the coaches luck out with a non-NIL motivated guy like RDW.
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Post by sdsuball on May 3, 2023 22:15:12 GMT -8
Trying not to be discouraged, but kinda hard not to be. That being said, still a few options out there between the SJSU and Utah Valley guys, plus a little more time for others to enter. We will 1000000% need to improve NIL in the future in a big way, but hopefully we can still be successful this off-season and continue to ride this momentum we created throughout the tournament. Just need 1 more big worst case, hopefully the coaches luck out with a non-NIL motivated guy like RDW. Well, there are still plenty of top 150 high schoolers who aren't getting offered big checks. There are still plenty of Yanni and LeDee under the radar types who didn't get a lot of playing time. What this means is that it's harder to get the Matt Bradley top tier transfer types. Thankfully we were able to get RDW...
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Post by sdsuball on May 3, 2023 22:27:23 GMT -8
I'm usually not a person who overreacts and I'm usually an "everything is gonna be fine" type of person. Especially with the trust and belief I have in our coaching staff. But the fact is, the situation right now with NIL is really really bad and it is really going to affect us negatively if nothing changes. Maybe the positive change will be that businesses in San Diego step up to the plate and our NIL foundations create actual value for them that promises them some sort of ROI. I think that should be the number one goal. We need to incentivize businesses in the San Diego community to get involved and give them a reason beyond wanting Aztec basketball to be successful. I haven't talked directly to MESA or other NIL-related entities about their plans for all this, so I'm a total outsider, but I do wonder what their efforts have looked like in regards to this. The other positive change is if NIL becomes less of the wild west and some regulations and caps are put into place that levels the playing field a little. I think that will happen eventually but I'm not sure how far we are away from that. Definitely agree, we need to get the business community involved so that we can offer more money 💰
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