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Post by aztecryan on Jan 16, 2023 18:49:33 GMT -8
Holy crap...no, he didn't. The situations are NOTHING alike. The similarities end at "documents." One is a crime, the other is not. You're spreading misinformation. Oh my gosh, I'm saying they both had Documents at their houses. That's it. Sheesh. You always run with it. Again, sheesh. Do you not see the gigantic issue with a blanket statement like that? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 16, 2023 18:50:52 GMT -8
The National Classified Documents that were found in residence, etc.... Trump had the same issue. Well it's not the same issue because Biden is still in office, and Trump isn't... Trump took documents with him on his way out of office. Biden had documents in his house, found them and gave them back. A warrant was required to regain Trump's documents. What Biden did was stupid, what Trump did was illegal... I'm only talking about ammunition for the debate table. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 16, 2023 18:52:08 GMT -8
Oh my gosh, I'm saying they both had Documents at their houses. That's it. Sheesh. You always run with it. Again, sheesh. Do you not see the gigantic issue with a blanket statement like that? You're talking Trump and Biden, but this thread is about DeSantis. He hasn't been caught with Documents. Is Trump in your head that bad??!! |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 16, 2023 19:02:14 GMT -8
Do you not see the gigantic issue with a blanket statement like that? You're talking Trump and Biden, but this thread is about DeSantis. He hasn't been caught with Documents. Is Trump in your head that bad??!! This thread is about DeSantis running, which directly conflates with Trump running and directly relates to the incumbent who is already in office. DeSantis is the odds on favorite to win the GOP nomination right now, but if you don't think Trump or Biden are going to be involved in that process? What does "ammunition for a debate" mean? Outright fabrications? It's completely irresponsible and outright false to say they had the "same issue." It's not the same issue. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 16, 2023 19:26:23 GMT -8
Holy crap...no, he didn't. The situations are NOTHING alike. The similarities end at "documents." One is a crime, the other is not. You're spreading misinformation. Oh my gosh, I'm saying they both had Documents at their houses. That's it. Sheesh. You always run with it. Again, sheesh. Yeah, but saying both had documents at their houses is misleading and a distortion. Every detail about these cases is different other than documents. What kind of documents were they? Trump had ultra sensitive documents, Biden had memos about cabinet meetings. Trump took documents on the way out of the White House, knowing that he shouldn't, while Biden's people just never returned the documents at his residence - that got there while still in office - as a simple oversight, and Biden immediately advised NARA and turned them over the next day, voluntarily. Trump had to be asked 3 times, and THEN a subpoena issued, and then a search was made to collect them when he refused to turn them over each time. Totally different scenarios. It's like saying they both breathe air. Trump breathes in and expels a lot more as an idiotic, narcisisstic, megalomaniacal blowhard - but they both breathe air!  |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 16, 2023 19:27:14 GMT -8
And I would never vote for DeSantis. The guy is a megalomaniac like Trump, just not as incompetent.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 16, 2023 20:03:27 GMT -8
You're talking Trump and Biden, but this thread is about DeSantis. He hasn't been caught with Documents. Is Trump in your head that bad??!! This thread is about DeSantis running, which directly conflates with Trump running and directly relates to the incumbent who is already in office. DeSantis is the odds on favorite to win the GOP nomination right now, but if you don't think Trump or Biden are going to be involved in that process? What does "ammunition for a debate" mean? Outright fabrications? It's completely irresponsible and outright false to say they had the "same issue." It's not the same issue. This thread is strictly about one's opinion on whether or not DeSantis could win the election. Period. Not Trump, at all. You'll try and lump Trump into it, that's for sure, do no shock there. They did have the same issue of having being caught with Documents at their residences. Not too hard to follow here, I would hope. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 16, 2023 20:13:52 GMT -8
This thread is about DeSantis running, which directly conflates with Trump running and directly relates to the incumbent who is already in office. DeSantis is the odds on favorite to win the GOP nomination right now, but if you don't think Trump or Biden are going to be involved in that process? What does "ammunition for a debate" mean? Outright fabrications? It's completely irresponsible and outright false to say they had the "same issue." It's not the same issue. This thread is strictly about one's opinion on whether or not DeSantis could win the election. Period. Not Trump, at all. You'll try and lumo Trump into it, that's for sure, do no shock there. They did have the same issue of having being caught with Documents at their residences. Not too hard to follow here, I would hope. Excellent effort here, but DeSantis winning the election hinges on many things, including whether or not Trump runs for reelection. Basic political landscape fact. DeSantis isn't universally loved in his own party (by the people that matter) and Trump still holds a massive amount of influence with the polarized right and is in pocket with the new Speaker of the House. Those things matter when it comes to an election. And no, you're still wrong because you refuse to critically think. While it's true that some documents of national intelligence were found in Biden's residence, the actual factors that matter are: What documents? What classification level? How many? Did he voluntarily return them? Did he obstruct justice? Were the documents subpoenaed? Absolutely nobody with any ability to analyze a situation is going to think "Well, Biden got caught hoarding documents, so that means Trump can't be indicted for hoarding his documents." Biden was not "caught" with anything. It's a false equivalence and you know that. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 16, 2023 20:21:10 GMT -8
Oh my gosh, I'm saying they both had Documents at their houses. That's it. Sheesh. You always run with it. Again, sheesh. Yeah, but saying both had documents at their houses is misleading and a distortion. Every detail about these cases is different other than documents. What kind of documents were they? Trump had ultra sensitive documents, Biden had memos about cabinet meetings. Trump took documents on the way out of the White House, knowing that he shouldn't, while Biden's people just never returned the documents at his residence - that got there while still in office - as a simple oversight, and Biden immediately advised NARA and turned them over the next day, voluntarily. Trump had to be asked 3 times, and THEN a subpoena issued, and then a search was made to collect them when he refused to turn them over each time. Totally different scenarios. It's like saying they both breathe air. Trump breathes in and expels a lot more as an idiotic, narcisisstic, megalomaniacal blowhard - but they both breathe air! They're both not good, no matter how you cut it. One may be more egregious, but it still gives ammo to the opponent in debate time. It doesn't make him look any better, that's for sure. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 16, 2023 20:24:18 GMT -8
This thread is strictly about one's opinion on whether or not DeSantis could win the election. Period. Not Trump, at all. You'll try and lumo Trump into it, that's for sure, do no shock there. They did have the same issue of having being caught with Documents at their residences. Not too hard to follow here, I would hope. Excellent effort here, but DeSantis winning the election hinges on many things, including whether or not Trump runs for reelection. Basic political landscape fact. DeSantis isn't universally loved in his own party (by the people that matter) and Trump still holds a massive amount of influence with the polarized right and is in pocket with the new Speaker of the House. Those things matter when it comes to an election. And no, you're still wrong because you refuse to critically think. While it's true that some documents of national intelligence were found in Biden's residence, the actual factors that matter are: What documents? What classification level? How many? Did he voluntarily return them? Did he obstruct justice? Were the documents subpoenaed? Absolutely nobody with any ability to analyze a situation is going to think "Well, Biden got caught hoarding documents, so that means Trump can't be indicted for hoarding his documents." Biden was not "caught" with anything. It's a false equivalence and you know that. It is a false equivalence, but it's also wrong to thing that everyone will see the false equivalence. Regardless, I still think a Republican victory in the presidency is dependent upon how the candidate handles Roe v Wade and the balance in the Supreme Court. In fact, part of me thinks that Biden hasn't pushed for change in the Supreme Court for this very reason. If he 'fixed' the Supreme Court by electing 4 new justices, maybe voters don't care as much about re-electing him versus a Republican. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 16, 2023 20:25:36 GMT -8
Excellent effort here, but DeSantis winning the election hinges on many things, including whether or not Trump runs for reelection. Basic political landscape fact. DeSantis isn't universally loved in his own party (by the people that matter) and Trump still holds a massive amount of influence with the polarized right and is in pocket with the new Speaker of the House. Those things matter when it comes to an election. And no, you're still wrong because you refuse to critically think. While it's true that some documents of national intelligence were found in Biden's residence, the actual factors that matter are: What documents? What classification level? How many? Did he voluntarily return them? Did he obstruct justice? Were the documents subpoenaed? Absolutely nobody with any ability to analyze a situation is going to think "Well, Biden got caught hoarding documents, so that means Trump can't be indicted for hoarding his documents." Biden was not "caught" with anything. It's a false equivalence and you know that. It is a false equivalence, but it's also wrong to thing that everyone will see the false equivalence. Regardless, I still a Republican victory in the presidency is dependent upon how the candidate handles Roe v Wade and the balance in the Supreme Court. In fact, part of me thinks that Biden hasn't pushed for change in the Supreme Court for this very reason. If he 'fixed' the Supreme Court by electing 4 new justices, the consequences of Biden his bid for re-election losing are lower. He won't stack the court because that would allow Republicans to do the same. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 16, 2023 20:27:30 GMT -8
Yeah, but saying both had documents at their houses is misleading and a distortion. Every detail about these cases is different other than documents. What kind of documents were they? Trump had ultra sensitive documents, Biden had memos about cabinet meetings. Trump took documents on the way out of the White House, knowing that he shouldn't, while Biden's people just never returned the documents at his residence - that got there while still in office - as a simple oversight, and Biden immediately advised NARA and turned them over the next day, voluntarily. Trump had to be asked 3 times, and THEN a subpoena issued, and then a search was made to collect them when he refused to turn them over each time. Totally different scenarios. It's like saying they both breathe air. Trump breathes in and expels a lot more as an idiotic, narcisisstic, megalomaniacal blowhard - but they both breathe air! They're both not good, no matter how you cut it. One may be more egregious, bit it still gives ammo to the opponent in debate time. It doesn't make him look any better, that's for sure. Nobody cares about the debates. Lol. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 16, 2023 20:30:22 GMT -8
They're both not good, no matter how you cut it. One may be more egregious, bit it still gives ammo to the opponent in debate time. It doesn't make him look any better, that's for sure. Nobody cares about the debates. Lol. People on the fence do. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 16, 2023 20:34:52 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 16, 2023 20:39:53 GMT -8
I've heard that before, but I think it may make a difference this go around with DeSantis. We'll see. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 17, 2023 13:43:00 GMT -8
No I do not think DeSantis can win a general election...reason being is he first has to get the nomination...unless Trump is arrested and convicted before the campaign season...he and DeSantis will have to duke it out...anything Trump touches...dies...therefore, there will be a rift because he has fervent supporters that will vote for no one else but him...DeSantis doesn't have that nation-wide charisma...second...the issues the OP mentioned as pluses...are really just perception...crime in up in FL...as a matter of fact...the economy is doing well by any standard other than what the right-wing chatterheads spew...despite what they say...the American economy is humming along nicely...and lastly...the border...DeSantis' stunt of shipping immigrants to the North didn't go well with anyone other than racist/bigot zealots. The most important thing is this...Biden's approval rating is at 50 percent (pg 120)...42 percent of whites approve of the job he's doing...even Rassmussen has him at 47 percent approval...whites are all the 95 percent white GOP has voting for them...that 8 percent of whites he doesn't have is more than made up by Blacks, Hispanics and Asians...it's tough to beat a popular president whose approval rating is above 45 percent..... docs.cdn.yougov.com/6ig3yyjvb9/econTabReport.pdf (pg 120) www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/ |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 17, 2023 19:01:23 GMT -8
No I do not think DeSantis can win a general election...reason being is he first has to get the nomination...unless Trump is arrested and convicted before the campaign season...he and DeSantis will have to duke it out...anything Trump touches...dies...therefore, there will be a rift because he has fervent supporters that will vote for no one else but him...DeSantis doesn't have that nation-wide charisma...second...the issues the OP mentioned as pluses...are really just perception...crime in up in FL...as a matter of fact...the economy is doing well by any standard other than what the right-wing chatterheads spew...despite what they say...the American economy is humming along nicely...and lastly...the border...DeSantis' stunt of shipping immigrants to the North didn't go well with anyone other than racist/bigot zealots. The most important thing is this...Biden's approval rating is at 50 percent (pg 120)...42 percent of whites approve of the job he's doing...even Rassmussen has him at 47 percent approval...whites are all the 95 percent white GOP has voting for them...that 8 percent of whites he doesn't have is more than made up by Blacks, Hispanics and Asians...it's tough to beat a popular president whose approval rating is above 45 percent..... docs.cdn.yougov.com/6ig3yyjvb9/econTabReport.pdf (pg 120) www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/Well, I don't see how the Republicans win nationally ever again. They are digging themselves a deep deep hole. Trump made it ok to get away with anything you want, as long as you deny deny. They just appointed serial liar Santos to 2 commitees. So lie about anything you want in the world..and as long as you toe the maga line..you are good. Lie about how many abortions you've paid for like Walker.. hey no problem. Remember the "moral majority"? haha...guess that didn't work..so now we do the opposite. No matter how big a scum you are, you are good..as long as you are maga? This country is f****d.. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 18, 2023 10:12:00 GMT -8
No I do not think DeSantis can win a general election...reason being is he first has to get the nomination...unless Trump is arrested and convicted before the campaign season...he and DeSantis will have to duke it out...anything Trump touches...dies...therefore, there will be a rift because he has fervent supporters that will vote for no one else but him...DeSantis doesn't have that nation-wide charisma...second...the issues the OP mentioned as pluses...are really just perception...crime in up in FL...as a matter of fact...the economy is doing well by any standard other than what the right-wing chatterheads spew...despite what they say...the American economy is humming along nicely...and lastly...the border...DeSantis' stunt of shipping immigrants to the North didn't go well with anyone other than racist/bigot zealots. The most important thing is this...Biden's approval rating is at 50 percent (pg 120)...42 percent of whites approve of the job he's doing...even Rassmussen has him at 47 percent approval...whites are all the 95 percent white GOP has voting for them...that 8 percent of whites he doesn't have is more than made up by Blacks, Hispanics and Asians...it's tough to beat a popular president whose approval rating is above 45 percent..... docs.cdn.yougov.com/6ig3yyjvb9/econTabReport.pdf (pg 120) www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/Well, I don't see how the Republicans win nationally ever again. They are digging themselves a deep deep hole. Trump made it ok to get away with anything you want, as long as you deny deny. They just appointed serial liar Santos to 2 commitees. So lie about anything you want in the world..and as long as you toe the maga line..you are good. Lie about how many abortions you've paid for like Walker.. hey no problem. Remember the "moral majority"? haha...guess that didn't work..so now we do the opposite. No matter how big a scum you are, you are good..as long as you are maga? This country is f****d.. The GOP has the House because their policies were considered better than the Democrats. I know some are into the Cult of Personality but policies still do matter. Also, the number of True Believers are going down as a fraction of the electorate. So reason can prevail regardless of what the major media hopes for. www.politicscentral.org/once-again-independent-voters-outnumber-democrats-or-republicans/ Remember, voters mostly vote for the candidate they think can win the election even though they are not especially turned on by the candidate (Evidence Sleepy Joe getting the most votes ever  ). When GOP voters get to pick who has the best chance to win in 2024, DeSantis will be very formidable. And if he wins the GOP nomination, he will likely win the Presidency. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 18, 2023 10:14:46 GMT -8
Well, I don't see how the Republicans win nationally ever again. They are digging themselves a deep deep hole. Trump made it ok to get away with anything you want, as long as you deny deny. They just appointed serial liar Santos to 2 commitees. So lie about anything you want in the world..and as long as you toe the maga line..you are good. Lie about how many abortions you've paid for like Walker.. hey no problem. Remember the "moral majority"? haha...guess that didn't work..so now we do the opposite. No matter how big a scum you are, you are good..as long as you are maga? This country is f****d.. The GOP has the House because their policies were considered better than the Democrats. I know some are into the Cult of Personality but policies still do matter. Also, the number of True Believers are going down as a fraction of the electorate. So reason can prevail regardless of what the major media hopes for. www.politicscentral.org/once-again-independent-voters-outnumber-democrats-or-republicans/ Remember, voters mostly vote for the candidate they think can win the election even though they are not especially turned on by the candidate (Evidence Sleepy Joe getting the most votes ever ). When GOP voters get to pick who has the best chance to win in 2024, DeSantis will be very formidable. And if he wins the GOP nomination, he will likely win the Presidency. So, instead of writing 3 paragraphs...why don't you just say you are ok with Santos?..the volleyball champion. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 18, 2023 10:22:26 GMT -8
No I do not think DeSantis can win a general election...reason being is he first has to get the nomination...unless Trump is arrested and convicted before the campaign season...he and DeSantis will have to duke it out...anything Trump touches...dies...therefore, there will be a rift because he has fervent supporters that will vote for no one else but him...DeSantis doesn't have that nation-wide charisma...second...the issues the OP mentioned as pluses...are really just perception...crime in up in FL...as a matter of fact...the economy is doing well by any standard other than what the right-wing chatterheads spew...despite what they say...the American economy is humming along nicely...and lastly...the border...DeSantis' stunt of shipping immigrants to the North didn't go well with anyone other than racist/bigot zealots. The most important thing is this...Biden's approval rating is at 50 percent (pg 120)...42 percent of whites approve of the job he's doing...even Rassmussen has him at 47 percent approval...whites are all the 95 percent white GOP has voting for them...that 8 percent of whites he doesn't have is more than made up by Blacks, Hispanics and Asians...it's tough to beat a popular president whose approval rating is above 45 percent..... docs.cdn.yougov.com/6ig3yyjvb9/econTabReport.pdf (pg 120) www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/Well, I don't see how the Republicans win nationally ever again. They are digging themselves a deep deep hole. Trump made it ok to get away with anything you want, as long as you deny deny. They just appointed serial liar Santos to 2 commitees. So lie about anything you want in the world..and as long as you toe the maga line..you are good. Lie about how many abortions you've paid for like Walker.. hey no problem. Remember the "moral majority"? haha...guess that didn't work..so now we do the opposite. No matter how big a scum you are, you are good..as long as you are maga? This country is f****d.. If this country's only/main problem was lying...I would sleep better at night...but my main concern is The Hand Maiden's Tale and the return of segregation...because you know good-darn well that if given the chance...right-wing supremacist would go straight there...but luckily...this country is NOT f****d....if we were Katie Hobbs, Herschel Walker and Trump would be in office today...this country is at an inflection point from what we were and stood for...which worked out quite well for uneducated white males...all they had to do was show up...and they got the job/position over any minority...from there to what America is becoming...liberty and justice for all...a multi-race/ethnic country...which means whites have to compete for jobs, leadership, and direction...a lot of right-wing whites just can't compete with minorities...thus their white supremacist ego/self-esteem is shattered...they are outraged they are not "given" the same opportunities as those before them...somebody ripped them off...a crime in progress...it's the minority's fault they're failures and it's the liberal education as to why they can't get a decent mate...even though...even though since birth they have had every opportunity to achieve...so, you know...there's going to be a lot of lying, hollaring, storming, and drive-by shootings...for things to settle in the inevitable new normal of what is America...who is American...and who decides where the country goes.... |
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