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Post by 84aztec96 on Dec 1, 2022 13:19:42 GMT -8
When someone tells you what you already know...
"Oh that?, that's so ridiculous! I never would have thought that. I can't believe anyone would event think that..."
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 1, 2022 13:45:29 GMT -8
When someone tells you what you already know... "Oh that?, that's so ridiculous! I never would have thought that. I can't believe anyone would event think that..." You sound like a sociopath. Nobody took your guns away. Nobody took your rights to own one away, either. You're being facetious, lying or trolling...all of which are embarrassing. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2022 14:08:34 GMT -8
When someone tells you what you already know... "Oh that?, that's so ridiculous! I never would have thought that. I can't believe anyone would event think that..." Your lack of specificity and clarity seems to be intentionally frustrating. What the heck are you talking about, specifically? |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 10:45:31 GMT -8
What "NRA Certifications" did they have? I have had training with NRA approved instructors (including CCW) and never once received a certification from them. Damn, I'm a lifetime member of the NRA so I will be getting on the phone to complain about never being "certified" by them. If you are dropping your grandson off at first grade in a public school they you have much more to worry about than him being shot while he is there. Funny, you cannot go into a courthouse, a state or national capitol without going through a metal detector monitored by armed guards. Hell, same can be said of getting on a plane. Perhaps we should do more to protect our kids who go to school in "gun free zones." You've obviously been indoctrinated. Enjoy the kool-aid. Say, I've got an idea. You get Wyoming, Montana, Texas, Mississippi and Florida. Build a big fence. Then have trump president/ dictator, vp is Ye, Patriotica (the country) Sentators are Kari Lake, Nick Fuentes, MTG, Boebert, Paul Gosar and Lyndsay Graham. Indoctrinated? Anything but that, I think for myself, always have. Fortunately, I didn't really run into that in primary and secondary school, not like you see now. In college only a couple of classes did I experience that but in my upper division classes only came across such and effort in my Comparative Anatomy of the Vertebrates class, where the professor stopped the class after 3 hours (only time we didn't go the entire 4 hours) and urged us to go to the "Tits and Fritz" campaign event on campus in 1984. Funny, I was rather apolitical until after Reagan was elected in 1980. I first voted for the Presidency in that year. Couldn't vote for Carter because he was such a lousy President (my first job was after high school and my PM workout was to refuel my father's company trucks. Sitting in a gas line for 30 minutes to an hour each time) but didn't vote for Reagan because I bought the crap that we was a warmonger. Voted for Anderson. After Reagan was elected I started seeing that all I heard about him was completely untrue. All lies, in fact. Became a Republican by the election in 1982 and was one until 2021 when I decided that the party doesn't support conservatives like me. I do find it interesting when people talk about dividing this country via state lines, red state/blue state. If you read a political map, the blue areas are primarily cities, the rest of the country is red and that is where your water, power and food comes from. If Schumer et. al. were to do what they threaten, eliminate the electoral college, pack the Supreme court, then there would be great incentive for those red areas to split from the union. I'd think that would happen without a shot being fired. Just remember, cities have, on any given day, just about three days worth of supplies like food and fuel. |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 10:48:11 GMT -8
The definition of a "mass shooting" has "evolved" over the years, it now includes gang related drive-by's. All your sources are leftist, by the way. I really hope you on the left make this your big issue going into 2024. Heck, thry to ban "assault weapons" (well, Biden mention all semi-automatics) now while you still have control of the Presidency and Congress and see what happens. Most states will refuse to comply as well as most local Sheriffs. What are you going to do, have the ATF go Ruby Ridge and Waco on steroids to confiscate weapons from law abiding people that don't trust the government? How many people are you comfortable killing in that scenario? Do you have a limit for that? I didn't know that facts had a bias. Left, right, facts are facts. And, have you ever considered that maybe smart people on the other side actually know a thing or two that you don't? It would be pretty damned arrogant and presumptuous to not accept that possibility. I finally stepped back and stopped being partisan and found that both sides had some good points. Wearing partisan blinders is the worst thing anyone can do for this country. And yet the facts I present are "meaningless" to you on the left. You just don't get it. |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 10:58:37 GMT -8
Can you imagine the "aztec panthers" of world having control over you? He can't see it...he thinks he is enlightened...he knows you are ignorant... He's also right in this instance. "Control" is an illusion you've decided to latch on to. Your personal freedoms don't trump the safety of children or other people in the population. The thing is that you are under the illusion that you can eliminate firearms in this country. All you will do is ensure that only criminals will have access to firearms. Some of those "criminals" will be those who are "law-abiding" who simply will not give up their guns, while the others, the great majority in fact, will be those who actually indulge in criminal behavior. Even if you could get rid of every single firearm not possessed by police or military, again impossible, you will still never be safe. There will be plenty of assaults and murders because those who are prone to commit violent crimes will still be here. There is a well know quote: "God created men equal. Colonel (Samuel) Colt made them equal." And, of course, there is this quote:  |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 11:01:08 GMT -8
You see how it works? It...never...happened... So, what do you value more - your gun rights, or the lives of innocent children in schools? It is impossible to protect both at the same time. You are putting forth a very juvenile argument. You can have both gun rights and safe schools. You try to present the point that they are mutually exclusive, which is simply not the case. See Israel. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2022 11:09:41 GMT -8
He's also right in this instance. "Control" is an illusion you've decided to latch on to. Your personal freedoms don't trump the safety of children or other people in the population. The thing is that you are under the illusion that you can eliminate firearms in this country. All you will do is ensure that only criminals will have access to firearms. Some of those "criminals" will be those who are "law-abiding" who simply will not give up their guns, while the others, the great majority in fact, will be those who actually indulge in criminal behavior. Even if you could get ride of every single firearm not possessed by police or military, again impossible, you will still never be safe. There will be plenty of assaults and murders because those who are prone to commit violent crimes will still be here. There is a well know quote: "God created men equal. Colonel (Samuel) Colt made them equal." And, of course, there is this quote: ![]() Incorrect on multiple fronts. "Elimination" isn't the objective, never has been. Sensible gun control legislation with enhanced background checks, mental health provisions, coordination between enforcement agencies and other reasonable options is. The red herrings don't need to be a thing and neither does "Well, doing nothing is an option because you still won't fix it even if you do act." |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 11:11:06 GMT -8
Because...it...didn't. We are talking about guns. Who took away your guns? You can't answer that, I'm assuming. The only people who have had rights taken away are women and the LGBT community. I don't think he's talking about those rights and freedoms. No one other than those groups has lost any freedom. It's a bogus argument they try to use to shut down debate. Totally bogus and disingenuous. What rights have been taken away from the LGBT community. Oh, I should say that many in the "LG" community are not happy with the actions of the "T" community of late. They want to live and love who they want quietly and are not comfortable being lined to those who want to sexualize kids at a young age. Kids should be allowed to be kids. I have seen first hand how kids are being screwed up by the politicized public schools. For years I dated a UCSD professor of psychology who lives in Cardiff. Prior to that I had never run into so many you kids who declared they were trans or gay or any such thing as such a young age (even elementary school. One girl went from being a girl to a "boy" in middle school. She transitioned to being a girl again back in high school. Thank God she was not allowed to make the transition to "boy" permanent when she was in middle school. However, that does happen. I think we are doing a great disservice to our kids and it is all politically motivated. In the next decade, I think we will reap what we have sown, and we will be dealing with many screwed up and angry young adults. |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 11:15:09 GMT -8
No, that has been proven. The Republicans are unwilling to do anything meaningful to stop it. No code, it's happened right in front of you. Don't pretend it didn't. Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. He doesn't, and neither do I. What the f x x x are you talking about? That is an absolute lie. Republicans have proposed many things to safeguard schools, the Dems just want to ban guns. Why no cooperation from Dems? Because most legal gun owners tend to be from the right. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2022 11:29:44 GMT -8
No, that has been proven. The Republicans are unwilling to do anything meaningful to stop it. He doesn't, and neither do I. What the f x x x are you talking about? That is an absolute lie. Republicans have proposed many things to safeguard schools, the Dems just want to ban guns. Why no cooperation from Dems? Because most legal gun owners tend to be from the right. This is a joke, right? Ted Cruz blamed DOORS for the Uvalde shooting. Doors. The federal legislation that passed recently was defied by the vast majority of Republicans, many of whom rely on the NRA for donations. (The NRA is the largest contributor to the aforementioned Cruz)....Republicans have done virtually nothing to promote reasonable gun legislation. They are too busy raking in the NRA windfall. |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 11:31:03 GMT -8
The thing is that you are under the illusion that you can eliminate firearms in this country. All you will do is ensure that only criminals will have access to firearms. Some of those "criminals" will be those who are "law-abiding" who simply will not give up their guns, while the others, the great majority in fact, will be those who actually indulge in criminal behavior. Even if you could get ride of every single firearm not possessed by police or military, again impossible, you will still never be safe. There will be plenty of assaults and murders because those who are prone to commit violent crimes will still be here. There is a well know quote: "God created men equal. Colonel (Samuel) Colt made them equal." And, of course, there is this quote: ![]() Incorrect on multiple fronts. "Elimination" isn't the objective, never has been. Sensible gun control legislation with enhanced background checks, mental health provisions, coordination between enforcement agencies and other reasonable options is. The red herrings don't need to be a thing and neither does "Well, doing nothing is an option because you still won't fix it even if you do act." Even dementia Joe let it slip about banning semi-automatics recently. Yep, the goal of the left is to ban all guns in private ownership. They just don't have the political support to do it. You cannot buy a firearm from a FFL in this country without passing a background check. That is a FACT. There is no "gun show loophole" or anything of the such. Some states allow for PPTs without going through an FFL. Red Flag laws tend to be written in a way that violates one's 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th Amendment rights. I consider our civil rights to be paramount. There have been plenty of instances where "mass shooters" were known to police beforehand. Many were "prohibited" from purchasing or owning a firearm. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2022 11:32:33 GMT -8
The only people who have had rights taken away are women and the LGBT community. I don't think he's talking about those rights and freedoms. No one other than those groups has lost any freedom. It's a bogus argument they try to use to shut down debate. Totally bogus and disingenuous. What rights have been taken away from the LGBT community. Oh, I should say that many in the "LG" community are not happy with the actions of the "T" community of late. They want to live and love who they want quietly and are not comfortable being lined to those who want to sexualize kids at a young age. Kids should be allowed to be kids. I have seen first hand how kids are being screwed up by the politicized public schools. For years I dated a UCSD professor of psychology who lives in Cardiff. Prior to that I had never run into so many you kids who declared they were trans or gay or any such thing as such a young age (even elementary school. One girl went from being a girl to a "boy" in middle school. She transitioned to being a girl again back in high school. Thank God she was not allowed to make the transition to "boy" permanent when she was in middle school. However, that does happen. I think we are doing a great disservice to our kids and it is all politically motivated. In the next decade, I think we will reap what we have sown, and we will be dealing with many screwed up and angry young adults. Yeah, nothing to see here. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2022 11:35:00 GMT -8
Incorrect on multiple fronts. "Elimination" isn't the objective, never has been. Sensible gun control legislation with enhanced background checks, mental health provisions, coordination between enforcement agencies and other reasonable options is. The red herrings don't need to be a thing and neither does "Well, doing nothing is an option because you still won't fix it even if you do act." Even dementia Joe let it slip about banning semi-automatics recently. Yep, the goal of the left is to ban all guns in private ownership. They just don't have the political support to do it. You cannot buy a firearm from a FFL in this country without passing a background check. That is a FACT. There is no "gun show loophole" or anything of the such. Some states allow for PPTs without going through an FFL. Red Flag laws tend to be written in a way that violates one's 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th Amendment rights. I consider our civil rights to be paramount. There have been plenty of instances where "mass shooters" were known to police beforehand. Many were "prohibited" from purchasing or owning a firearm. You might as well be reading straight from a GOP chyron. Same language, same unserious refutations. |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 11:42:57 GMT -8
That is an absolute lie. Republicans have proposed many things to safeguard schools, the Dems just want to ban guns. Why no cooperation from Dems? Because most legal gun owners tend to be from the right. This is a joke, right? Ted Cruz blamed DOORS for the Uvalde shooting. Doors. The federal legislation that passed recently was defied by the vast majority of Republicans, many of whom rely on the NRA for donations. (The NRA is the largest contributor to the aforementioned Cruz)....Republicans have done virtually nothing to promote reasonable gun legislation. They are too busy raking in the NRA windfall. Yep, the school was supposed to have their doors closed during session. One door was propped open, a violation of that school's policy. Do you lock your doors when home? I do. My dad was a plastering contractor and I worked for him for some 23 years. We did a lot of primary and secondary schools in that time. The doors in such buildings are very, very substantial. If that door was closed, the shooter doesn't get in without extreme effort which would have giving LE more than enough time to respond. Last I looked, many school and police official have resigned because of their poor performance in that attack. And here you go making my point. Dems want gun control over protecting kids at school. They really don't care much about the latter IMHO. Dead kids help them politically. Yeah, that sounds harsh but if you think any politician puts other's in front of their political power you are being rather naive. |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 4, 2022 11:55:47 GMT -8
What rights have been taken away from the LGBT community. Oh, I should say that many in the "LG" community are not happy with the actions of the "T" community of late. They want to live and love who they want quietly and are not comfortable being lined to those who want to sexualize kids at a young age. Kids should be allowed to be kids. I have seen first hand how kids are being screwed up by the politicized public schools. For years I dated a UCSD professor of psychology who lives in Cardiff. Prior to that I had never run into so many you kids who declared they were trans or gay or any such thing as such a young age (even elementary school. One girl went from being a girl to a "boy" in middle school. She transitioned to being a girl again back in high school. Thank God she was not allowed to make the transition to "boy" permanent when she was in middle school. However, that does happen. I think we are doing a great disservice to our kids and it is all politically motivated. In the next decade, I think we will reap what we have sown, and we will be dealing with many screwed up and angry young adults. Yeah, nothing to see here. I'm not going to go through the ACLU's case load. But, to summarize what I believe. 1. Biological males should have separate restrooms and showers versus females. If there are those that are confused as to their gender, then create facilities for them. 2. Biological males should not be allowed to compete in female sports. 3. Until you are 18, you should not be allowed to use medications or surgery to "transform" to the other gender. History shows this has always been the case and, in fact, that those who wish to transform would have to live as a member of his "opposite sex" for two years before a permanent medical procedure would be approved. 4. Children in early elementary school should not be exposed to sexual education that doesn't deal with issues that might affect their lives, such as possible impregnation. Oh, my definition of a "male" is anyone possessing a "Y" chromosome. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2022 11:57:28 GMT -8
This is a joke, right? Ted Cruz blamed DOORS for the Uvalde shooting. Doors. The federal legislation that passed recently was defied by the vast majority of Republicans, many of whom rely on the NRA for donations. (The NRA is the largest contributor to the aforementioned Cruz)....Republicans have done virtually nothing to promote reasonable gun legislation. They are too busy raking in the NRA windfall. Yep, the school was supposed to have their doors closed during session. One door was propped open, a violation of that school's policy. Do you lock your doors when home? I do. My dad was a plastering contractor and I worked for him for some 23 years. We did a lot of primary and secondary schools in that time. The doors in such buildings are very, very substantial. If that door was closed, the shooter doesn't get in without extreme effort which would have giving LE more than enough time to respond. Last I looked, many school and police official have resigned because of their poor performance in that attack. And here you go making my point. Dems want gun control over protecting kids at school. They really don't care much about the latter IMHO. Dead kids help them politically. Yeah, that sounds harsh but if you think any politician puts other's in front of their political power you are being rather naive. You're on another planet here. Cruz wanted a single point of entry. He blamed the fact the school had more than one door for the shooting. The door was not propped on, it simply didn't lock. Is a locked door going to stop a gun? Is that an argument you're seriously trying to make? It didn't work when my campus was victimized, I'll tell you that much. You're just completely ignorant to reality, despite your vast levels of "experience." I work at a school, not every school's makeup and configuration lends itself to safety and security. That's a fact. Dems want gun control TO PROTECT children who can't protect themselves. I'm still waiting on your response to what Republicans have proposed? Because the answer is still nothing outside of "more guns." |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2022 12:06:54 GMT -8
I'm not going to go through the ACLU's case load. But, to summarize what I believe. 1. Biological males should have separate restrooms and showers versus females. If there are those that are confused as to their gender, then create facilities for them. 2. Biological males should not be allowed to compete in female sports. 3. Until you are 18, you should not be allowed to use medications or surgery to "transform" to the other gender. History shows this has always been the case and, in fact, that those who wish to transform would have to live as a member of his "opposite sex" for two years before a permanent medical procedure would be approved. 4. Children in early elementary school should not be exposed to sexual education that doesn't deal with issues that might affect their lives, such as possible impregnation. Oh, my definition of a "male" is anyone possessing a "Y" chromosome. So you can't argue the point, in simpler terms. Fair enough. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Dec 4, 2022 22:11:48 GMT -8
No, that has been proven. The Republicans are unwilling to do anything meaningful to stop it. He doesn't, and neither do I. What the f x x x are you talking about? That is an absolute lie. Republicans have proposed many things to safeguard schools, the Dems just want to ban guns. Why no cooperation from Dems? Because most legal gun owners tend to be from the right. Yeah, like arming the whole damned school to shoot the bad guys. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 5, 2022 0:26:05 GMT -8
So, what do you value more - your gun rights, or the lives of innocent children in schools? It is impossible to protect both at the same time. You are putting forth a very juvenile argument. You can have both gun rights and safe schools. You try to present the point that they are mutually exclusive, which is simply not the case. See Israel. See the United States of America. No other country has school shootings like we do. This has been going on in a big way for a quarter century. The Republicans have had total control of the Federal government multiple times in that span, and have done nothing to stop the mass shootings. So, tell me, what can be changed to stop the mass shootings - and I don't want to hear about armed guards at every school. Kids should NOT have to grow up feeling like they are literally in a prison camp. |
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