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Post by johneaztec on Jan 23, 2023 11:15:57 GMT -8
That was a question I had. It's all very fishy/suspicious. Some people will want to sweep it under the rug with, "Oh, he cooperated" but it's not that simple. If you're going to listen to idiocy, at least listen to the correct idiocy. Why were they going through the boxes? Gee, I don't know...it's called due diligence? After the first batch of documents was found, they wanted to do a thorough assessment/search to discover if anything/what else remained. The same process Trump's lawyers did, except....they lied about the results of the search. And yeah, it really is that simple (for Biden). They voluntarily turned over the documents to the government. Incompetent lawyering/public relations is dooming this process, but once again...it's not a criminal matter. There's nothing suspicious about it. Also, Biden voluntarily requested that DOJ search his home. No warrant, no court process, no obstruction, no outrage. A thirteen hour search yielded six items of interest. Despite the goofy statements from the White House and the lawyering issues, it's compliance. We all get it. You're just TRYING to do damage control. Have at it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 23, 2023 11:52:01 GMT -8
If you're going to listen to idiocy, at least listen to the correct idiocy. Why were they going through the boxes? Gee, I don't know...it's called due diligence? After the first batch of documents was found, they wanted to do a thorough assessment/search to discover if anything/what else remained. The same process Trump's lawyers did, except....they lied about the results of the search. And yeah, it really is that simple (for Biden). They voluntarily turned over the documents to the government. Incompetent lawyering/public relations is dooming this process, but once again...it's not a criminal matter. There's nothing suspicious about it. Also, Biden voluntarily requested that DOJ search his home. No warrant, no court process, no obstruction, no outrage. A thirteen hour search yielded six items of interest. Despite the goofy statements from the White House and the lawyering issues, it's compliance. We all get it. You're just TRYING to do damage control. Have at it. You don't get it - You only respond favorably to obvious GOP trolling efforts, but you only respond with semi-questions and conjecture, not facts or evidence. You seem incapable of deciphering context and even more incapable of understanding complexity. You want to boil everything down to fit your own political box, regardless if the truth conflicts it or not. You ask silly questions like "Why are the lawyers looking for things?" (It's basic procedure in a cooperative investigation) and keep hinting at some large, unfounded conspiracy without saying the words. Innuendo isn't needed, just look for facts. But responding to one of the most ridiculous posts on this topic with some kind of affirmation puts you on par with that, which is certainly a choice. Some basic information here: NARA is underfunded and in need of overhaul, which is what this situation has exacerbated. The sheer volume of the archives is overwhelming to what is a pretty small independent agency. These documents, importantly, were not part of any NARA request, any DOJ inquiry, or anything else. They were voluntarily found and turned over. To avoid the appearance of improprieties, a voluntary and consentual search was conducted of Biden's home. Standard stuff. Now, considering the widening scope of what's taking place, it may be likely that every former president has some type of material that may be classified/formerly classified. An oversight issue, not a clandestine conspiracy. Separate from this (and emphasizing separate), the former president having hundreds of still-classified sensitive intelligence documents is a completely different categorical argument. Withholding that information (and refusing to cooperate/return said information) is another different argument, too. Layers to this. I'm not interested in damage control, I'm interested in the integrity of the truth. When the OP declares "Biden is the real criminal" because he "lied" (without any supporting evidence) and wants to insinuate that having a security clearance is somehow worse than not having one, that is the complete opposite of integrity and it's obvious that there is no concern for reality, only a targeted effort to blame Democrats for everyone's failures. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 23, 2023 12:47:31 GMT -8
We all get it. You're just TRYING to do damage control. Have at it. You don't get it - You only respond favorably to obvious GOP trolling efforts, but you only respond with semi-questions and conjecture, not facts or evidence. You seem incapable of deciphering context and even more incapable of understanding complexity. You want to boil everything down to fit your own political box, regardless if the truth conflicts it or not. You ask silly questions like "Why are the lawyers looking for things?" (It's basic procedure in a cooperative investigation) and keep hinting at some large, unfounded conspiracy without saying the words. Innuendo isn't needed, just look for facts. But responding to one of the most ridiculous posts on this topic with some kind of affirmation puts you on par with that, which is certainly a choice. Some basic information here: NARA is underfunded and in need of overhaul, which is what this situation has exacerbated. The sheer volume of the archives is overwhelming to what is a pretty small independent agency. These documents, importantly, were not part of any NARA request, any DOJ inquiry, or anything else. They were voluntarily found and turned over. To avoid the appearance of improprieties, a voluntary and consentual search was conducted of Biden's home. Standard stuff. Now, considering the widening scope of what's taking place, it may be likely that every former president has some type of material that may be classified/formerly classified. An oversight issue, not a clandestine conspiracy. Separate from this (and emphasizing separate), the former president having hundreds of still-classified sensitive intelligence documents is a completely different categorical argument. Withholding that information (and refusing to cooperate/return said information) is another different argument, too. Layers to this. I'm not interested in damage control, I'm interested in the integrity of the truth. When the OP declares "Biden is the real criminal" because he "lied" (without any supporting evidence) and wants to insinuate that having a security clearance is somehow worse than not having one, that is the complete opposite of integrity and it's obvious that there is no concern for reality, only a targeted effort to blame Democrats for everyone's failures. Ryan, when YOU say that my response "Puts me on par with it", means zero to me. You have your biased, triggered moments that have their own par. Ha!!! YOU say that I want to fit issues into my own political box? You just described yourself, bud. You keep on deflecting and doing damage control. We expect that from you. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 23, 2023 13:22:34 GMT -8
You don't get it - You only respond favorably to obvious GOP trolling efforts, but you only respond with semi-questions and conjecture, not facts or evidence. You seem incapable of deciphering context and even more incapable of understanding complexity. You want to boil everything down to fit your own political box, regardless if the truth conflicts it or not. You ask silly questions like "Why are the lawyers looking for things?" (It's basic procedure in a cooperative investigation) and keep hinting at some large, unfounded conspiracy without saying the words. Innuendo isn't needed, just look for facts. But responding to one of the most ridiculous posts on this topic with some kind of affirmation puts you on par with that, which is certainly a choice. Some basic information here: NARA is underfunded and in need of overhaul, which is what this situation has exacerbated. The sheer volume of the archives is overwhelming to what is a pretty small independent agency. These documents, importantly, were not part of any NARA request, any DOJ inquiry, or anything else. They were voluntarily found and turned over. To avoid the appearance of improprieties, a voluntary and consentual search was conducted of Biden's home. Standard stuff. Now, considering the widening scope of what's taking place, it may be likely that every former president has some type of material that may be classified/formerly classified. An oversight issue, not a clandestine conspiracy. Separate from this (and emphasizing separate), the former president having hundreds of still-classified sensitive intelligence documents is a completely different categorical argument. Withholding that information (and refusing to cooperate/return said information) is another different argument, too. Layers to this. I'm not interested in damage control, I'm interested in the integrity of the truth. When the OP declares "Biden is the real criminal" because he "lied" (without any supporting evidence) and wants to insinuate that having a security clearance is somehow worse than not having one, that is the complete opposite of integrity and it's obvious that there is no concern for reality, only a targeted effort to blame Democrats for everyone's failures. Ryan, when YOU say that my response "Puts me on par with it", means zero to me. You have your biased, triggered moments that have their own par. Ha!!! YOU say that I want to fit issues into my own political box? You just described yourself, bud. You keep on deflecting and doing damage control. We expect that from you. Lending *any* credibility to obviously (and I mean obviously) false arguments/narratives is a dangerous slope to navigate. It stops becoming about the facts really quickly when you support the ridiculous nonsense Thor is spouting, again, without any objective source or reasoning behind it. Virtually every word is an outright falsehood. "Trump felt like he had the right to possess them"? That doesn't mean anything in the eyes of the law. There's no actual proof Biden knew about anything regarding the specifics of the documents at this point. Literally nothing. His actions don't indicate that, either, at this point, beyond the asinine statement he put out a few days ago. But that didn't stop you, did it? Nobody is deflecting anything but you. I'll say it for the fourth time alone in this thread: If Biden knowingly and willingly retained classified information in violation of the law, he should be prosecuted fully. Period. Full stop. You can't objectively do the same in return. I'm not trying to fit anything into a box, personally. I'm actually capable of looking at facts objectively, regardless if it doesn't align with my beliefs. That's why I despise what is happening right now; it's a horrendous optical situation that gives Trump a potential "out" when he blatantly and clearly violated multiple criminal statutes. The perversion of the justice system isn't something anyone should want, no matter what side of the spectrum you fall on. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 23, 2023 15:47:21 GMT -8
More reports are coming in concerning the FBI searching Biden’s residence and summer house. More unsecured classified documents have been found including some from President Biden’s Senate days ten years ago.
Called it.
Another prediction: The FBI will find further Chinese connections to this classified debacle, which will lead to impeachment proceedings.
Of course the ultra partisan Democrats in the Senate will probably protect the president, whose White House spokespeople have refused to answer any questions about this developing story. That
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 23, 2023 17:11:29 GMT -8
More reports are coming in concerning the FBI searching Biden’s residence and summer house. More unsecured classified documents have been found including some from President Biden’s Senate days ten years ago. Called it. Another prediction: The FBI will find further Chinese connections to this classified debacle, which will lead to impeachment proceedings. Of course the ultra partisan Democrats in the Senate will probably protect the president, whose White House spokespeople have refused to answer any questions about this developing story. That hmmm. "Called it". Kinda like betting everybody on here and talking smack about the "Red Wave"? |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 23, 2023 19:25:44 GMT -8
More reports are coming in concerning the FBI searching Biden’s residence and summer house. More unsecured classified documents have been found including some from President Biden’s Senate days ten years ago. Called it. Another prediction: The FBI will find further Chinese connections to this classified debacle, which will lead to impeachment proceedings. Of course the ultra partisan Democrats in the Senate will probably protect the president, whose White House spokespeople have refused to answer any questions about this developing story. That hmmm. "Called it". Kinda like betting everybody on here and talking smack about the "Red Wave"? In terms of this thread, yes….I called it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 23, 2023 19:27:21 GMT -8
More reports are coming in concerning the FBI searching Biden’s residence and summer house. More unsecured classified documents have been found including some from President Biden’s Senate days ten years ago. Called it. Another prediction: The FBI will find further Chinese connections to this classified debacle, which will lead to impeachment proceedings. Of course the ultra partisan Democrats in the Senate will probably protect the president, whose White House spokespeople have refused to answer any questions about this developing story. That Impeachment for what? You know articles of impeachment were proposed on Biden's first day in office two years ago? The impeachment process isn't meant to be like a senior prank, it's supposed to be for legitimate use against high crimes and misdemeanors, grave offenses against the United States. Impeaching Biden only weakens that principle. Nonsense is the point, though, right? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 23, 2023 19:29:18 GMT -8
hmmm. "Called it". Kinda like betting everybody on here and talking smack about the "Red Wave"? In terms of this thread, yes….I called it. Do you feel like a genius or what? You know what they found, right? |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 23, 2023 19:41:16 GMT -8
In terms of this thread, yes….I called it. Do you feel like a genius or what? You know what they found, right? .....it's called delusions of grandeur. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 23, 2023 23:44:37 GMT -8
It’s called being able to recognize a sequence of events. Hunter Biden’s misadventures, the news blackout until after the election, the current stonewalling by the Biden Administration. The apparent disavowing by several high ranking Democrat politicians. The Democrats mind you, they almost never break ranks, so there is something there. The pieces to this puzzle are starting to come together…..if FBI investigators find the wrong things, like Chinese operatives receiving classified documents, there will be an impeachment attempt by the new House.
The haphazard manner these documents have been handled is beyond sloppy, so the most likely explanation is culpable negligence.
If that is the case, the vaunted FBI (who has received some perhaps unwarranted recent criticism) will certainly find the evidence.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 24, 2023 9:09:18 GMT -8
It’s called being able to recognize a sequence of events. Hunter Biden’s misadventures, the news blackout until after the election, the current stonewalling by the Biden Administration. The apparent disavowing by several high ranking Democrat politicians. The Democrats mind you, they almost never break ranks, so there is something there. The pieces to this puzzle are starting to come together…..if FBI investigators find the wrong things, like Chinese operatives receiving classified documents, there will be an impeachment attempt by the new House. The haphazard manner these documents have been handled is beyond sloppy, so the most likely explanation is culpable negligence. If that is the case, the vaunted FBI (who has received some perhaps unwarranted recent criticism) will certainly find the evidence. It's called fishing. Stonewalling? You mean cooperating in full with the DOJ? They aren't going to comment on an ongoing investigation, as much as you'd want them to. Simple, basic legal protections. What disavowing? Culpable negligence will amount to nothing, as will an impeachment hearing. Not getting through the Senate, same as it was with Trump, for actual high crimes and misdemeanors (inciting the insurrection is on another planet compared to this)....just doesn't really move the needle at all. Your hopes and dreams don't match the reality of what's actually happening right now. The sad thing is the GOP already showed their cards. They'll impeach Biden for....something, out of pure revenge for the treatment of Trump, although it was actually warranted. Those who protected him (including those who actively participated in January 6th) are now running the circus. Integrity? Not needed, it's all about pettiness. Just wait until the indictment comes down, their vitriol will increase tenfold. The most likely explanation is human error. The process can be chaotic at the end of an administration and things get sent to the wrong place, files get mixed up, etc. The contents of the documents matter greatly. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 24, 2023 9:14:15 GMT -8
Oh. Well then. This is...awkward.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 24, 2023 12:07:13 GMT -8
Oh. Well then. This is...awkward. Things are getting curiouser and curiouser. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 24, 2023 12:12:43 GMT -8
Oh. Well then. This is...awkward. Things are getting curiouser and curiouser. The truth is this probably happens more than we realize with the amount of files that are possessed in the first place. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 24, 2023 12:15:58 GMT -8
Oh. Well then. This is...awkward. Things are getting curiouser and curiouser. Most likely, Pence did this knowing he had them, but trying to make himself look good by saying that he wanted to have a search, in light of what happened to Biden. He won't be able to fool most people, and neither will Biden. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 24, 2023 12:22:00 GMT -8
Sounds like an oversight and a mistake, similar to the Biden situation. Pence is on record in an interview saying he never took classified documents from the White House to his home.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 24, 2023 12:23:52 GMT -8
Facts matter.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 24, 2023 12:26:26 GMT -8
Sounds like an oversight and a mistake, similar to the Biden situation. Pence is on record in an interview saying he never took classified documents from the White House to his home. Blah, blah, blah. These politicians will say anything to escape problems that will hurt their political career, etc.. Just because they say it on record, doesn't make it real. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 24, 2023 12:26:41 GMT -8
Who wants to tell them?
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