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Post by sdsuball on Sept 30, 2022 16:26:49 GMT -8
"Secure borders" is a myth. The border has never been and will never be "secure." Migration will always flow, by the hundreds of thousands. A broken and backlogged asylum system desperately in need of overhaul is the culprit you'll likely looking for here. You undermine your own arguments when you have nothing of substance and make repeated jokes about tired talking points. (My guns, my rights, blah blah blah) You flat out said you didn't support Trumpism and then immediately backtracked and said "he's on my team." Forgive me if your perspective is lacking, or your knowledge of the Constitution is underwhelming. Regarding your whataboutism regarding border security, don't equate an inability to have 100% effectiveness to an Administration supporting an unsecure border. Consider birth control, for example. While no method is 100% effective, using it correctly means you are NOT "trying" to get pregnant. But using only a "partial" border wall, offering every incentive to come illegally and allowing your agents to be overwhelmed with numbers is like using a "partial" condom. Its ludicrous. We are now actually "trying" to import illegal asylum seekers. Illegal asylum seekers is an oxymoron. Asylum seekers are people who are seeking protection through the asylum legal process at the US Border. a·sy·lum noun 1. the protection granted by a nation to someone who has left their native country as a political refugee. "she applied for asylum and was granted refugee status" Illegal aliens are people who cross the border illegally, sometimes in coordination or with the help of the drug cartels, in order to guide them when and where to illegally cross the border. Additionally, illegal aliens could be responsible for an increase in the flow of fentanyl across the border, because sometimes cartels force people to bring a bag of drugs across the border with them when they illegally cross. Asylum seekers and illegal aliens are very different. |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 30, 2022 16:30:14 GMT -8
No. You're just a pathological right-wing lying hack, as I previously stated. I will humor you (and put you in your place) because you have no ability to speak truth, you spout Breitbartian nonsense and treat it as gospel. Here are some facts about your "crisis" at the border: - Hundreds of thousands of gotaways occurred in 2019 and 2020, even as general immigration around the world slowed due to COVID spread. It started under Trump and the illogical "Remain in Mexico" program. Not a word about that from you, anywhere? Shocking, I dare say. - The root cause of the problem (NOT presidential policy) is a lack of funding in the asylum process, crippling poverty in Latin and Central America and escalating numbers of people fleeing economic and social oppression. That's why the recivitism rate of illegal immigration was 38% in January of 2021, nearly SIX times what it was in 2019. - Taking into account recent history (when there was a border crisis just a couple years ago) means this issue is not simply a function of administrative doctrine. The inability to see that and project blame on just one party is laughably dense and shows a faulty premise. - The issues you make mountains out of are long-term systemic failures that have occurred for decades. This is not a new development. To shout hysterics about the border, about your other favorite talking point (cartels and fentanyl)....you're just regurgitating propaganda. There's no common sense, there's no objectivity, there's zero fundamental honesty taking place. You talk about hypocrisy and your overwhelming concern for the border (not for the people?) but you're fine with DeSantis illegally and cruelly taking advantage of vulnerable populations to "own the libs." You're a boring, uninventive troll. Your bridge is calling. To try and give this horrific criminal enterprise enabled by the Biden Administration a pass citing that "gotaways" made it in the past is as clueless as it gets. The current bonanza for the Mexican Drug cartels is directly related to Biden's catch and release policies and you know it.
An absolute phony. And the increase in the Mexican Drug Cartels with human trafficking, causes an increase in sexual abuse of women and minors and you know it. The left could care less for their plight.And that financial bonanza fir the Mexican Drug Cartels is directly related to their fentanyl surge and you know it. And the increased in fentanyl smuggling causes an increase in US deaths and you know it. The Democrats just turn their eyes away and do little else and you know it.Biden's policies causes an increase in illegals, sex trafficking, deaths and no amount of whataboutism will give him an excuse that anyone would except for the mindless True Believer. If you want to stop the trafficking of Fentanyl then you should be for opening of the border, so that immigrants, migrants and political refugees are encouraged to legally cross at designated Border Patrol crossings. Cartels often force people to move drugs across the border for them in return for helping them illegally cross the border. If people can easily immigrate into the United States, all of a sudden it actually makes it harder for the Cartels to move Fentanyl across the border. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Sept 30, 2022 17:50:36 GMT -8
To try and give this horrific criminal enterprise enabled by the Biden Administration a pass citing that "gotaways" made it in the past is as clueless as it gets. The current bonanza for the Mexican Drug cartels is directly related to Biden's catch and release policies and you know it. An absolute phony. And the increase in the Mexican Drug Cartels with human trafficking, causes an increase in sexual abuse of women and minors and you know it. The left could care less for their plight. And that financial bonanza fir the Mexican Drug Cartels is directly related to their fentanyl surge and you know it. And the increased in fentanyl smuggling causes an increase in US deaths and you know it. The Democrats just turn their eyes away and do little else and you know it. Biden's policies causes an increase in illegals, sex trafficking, deaths and no amount of whataboutism will give him an excuse that anyone would except for the mindless True Believer. And you're in a cult of ignorance and noise. Go fly a kite. Your hyperbole (and unsourced nothingness) is disgraceful. But you know that. Hey True beliver, as you know, it is Biden's "Catch and Release" on Steroids that is at the core of what even the hypocrite libs of Martha's Vineyard call a "Humanitarian Crisis". The entire globe's 3rd world knows the motivation behind Biden Admin's idiotic policy and they know they are green lighted. The rest is just gravy for the Cartels and a horror for the families of the overdose victims. Great job True Believer. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Sept 30, 2022 18:01:31 GMT -8
Regarding your whataboutism regarding border security, don't equate an inability to have 100% effectiveness to an Administration supporting an unsecure border. Consider birth control, for example. While no method is 100% effective, using it correctly means you are NOT "trying" to get pregnant. But using only a "partial" border wall, offering every incentive to come illegally and allowing your agents to be overwhelmed with numbers is like using a "partial" condom. Its ludicrous. We are now actually "trying" to import illegal asylum seekers. Illegal asylum seekers is an oxymoron. Asylum seekers are people who are seeking protection through the asylum legal process at the US Border. a·sy·lum noun 1. the protection granted by a nation to someone who has left their native country as a political refugee. "she applied for asylum and was granted refugee status" Illegal aliens are people who cross the border illegally, sometimes in coordination or with the help of the drug cartels, in order to guide them when and where to illegally cross the border. Additionally, illegal aliens could be responsible for an increase in the flow of fentanyl across the border, because sometimes cartels force people to bring a bag of drugs across the border with them when they illegally cross. Asylum seekers and illegal aliens are very different.Fradulent asylum seekers are entered into the catch and release merry go round. The Cartel gets its pay day and the tax payer is charged for any number of services for months and years. And when they miss their asylum hearing, nothing happens. Everyone knows it, especially the illegal immigrant. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 30, 2022 19:05:58 GMT -8
That doesn’t mean YOU have to. This should be something which transcends political arguments. I just got off the phone with my Dad who lives in Pt Charlotte, Fl. Usually the media sensationalizes the news, making things seem worse than they actually are, this hurricane was as destructive as has been reported. This was a MAJOR storm event. Entire neighborhoods were simply erased by 120mph winds, which were sustained for 4 hours. 80% of the trees in my Dad’s neighborhood were blown over or broken off at the trunk, there are piles of debris everywhere. Most Floridians still don’t have power, assuming they still have a house. Many gas stations have no means (electricity) to pump gas and those who can have lines a half mile long. Supermarkets and food stores are barely operating. Many places are still flooded, bridges destroyed roads impassable. Ft. Myers, Punta Gorda, Cape Coral, Boca Grande and dozens of other cities and towns were completely devastated. Instead of rooting for the destruction of Mar a Lago or other people you don’t like, how about some positive thoughts for a change? You can't pick and choose when you care about people. Irony is dead. Of course I can pick who I care about. I care about my family and friends. I just don’t care for you. |
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Post by uwphoto on Sept 30, 2022 19:08:14 GMT -8
Too late for politicization... you can thank DeSantis for that. That doesn’t mean YOU have to. This should be something which transcends political arguments. I just got off the phone with my Dad who lives in Pt Charlotte, Fl. Usually the media sensationalizes the news, making things seem worse than they actually are, this hurricane was as destructive as has been reported. This was a MAJOR storm event. Entire neighborhoods were simply erased by 120mph winds, which were sustained for 4 hours. 80% of the trees in my Dad’s neighborhood were blown over or broken off at the trunk, there are piles of debris everywhere. Most Floridians still don’t have power, assuming they still have a house. Many gas stations have no means (electricity) to pump gas and those who can have lines a half mile long. Supermarkets and food stores are barely operating. Many places are still flooded, bridges destroyed roads impassable. Ft. Myers, Punta Gorda, Cape Coral, Boca Grande and dozens of other cities and towns were completely devastated. Instead of rooting for the destruction of Mar a Lago or other people you don’t like, how about some positive thoughts for a change? gimme a fuckin break..all your brethren do is root for destructive fires in California. Create your own maga state like idaho..and move there. |
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Post by uwphoto on Sept 30, 2022 19:09:39 GMT -8
You can't pick and choose when you care about people. Irony is dead. Of course I can pick who I care about. I care about my family and friends. I just don’t care for you. Idiot, this is the blind internet..no one gives a f x x x what you think. |
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Post by uwphoto on Sept 30, 2022 19:11:18 GMT -8
There's nothing to defend. Just like your ignorance of the previous administration's crimes (which actually matter on a much larger and more significant scale.) No, you're just who you are and it's a detriment to this board. You're better off on Truth Social. Is what it is. Now, for real, good riddance. Quack, quack. Like most clueless leftist clowns, when the truth hurts, they hope they can censor it. Clowns? "Putin going into Ukraine was a genius move". |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 30, 2022 20:54:16 GMT -8
You can't pick and choose when you care about people. Irony is dead. Of course I can pick who I care about. I care about my family and friends. I just don’t care for you. I don't care if you care about me. I was referring to your incessant whining about other things that also involve people. Bitching about inflation (which you still don't understand), high gas prices and raging about the economy. You don't get to ask for sympathy and compassion when you treat other people in other situations like total garbage. You don't get to vilify protesters fighting for social and racial change, care more about the buildings and property and then ask for some kind of "happy thoughts." |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 30, 2022 21:07:53 GMT -8
Illegal asylum seekers is an oxymoron. Asylum seekers are people who are seeking protection through the asylum legal process at the US Border. a·sy·lum noun 1. the protection granted by a nation to someone who has left their native country as a political refugee. "she applied for asylum and was granted refugee status" Illegal aliens are people who cross the border illegally, sometimes in coordination or with the help of the drug cartels, in order to guide them when and where to illegally cross the border. Additionally, illegal aliens could be responsible for an increase in the flow of fentanyl across the border, because sometimes cartels force people to bring a bag of drugs across the border with them when they illegally cross. Asylum seekers and illegal aliens are very different.Fradulent asylum seekers are entered into the catch and release merry go round. The Cartel gets its pay day and the tax payer is charged for any number of services for months and years. And when they miss their asylum hearing, nothing happens. Everyone knows it, especially the illegal immigrant. Well sure that can happen. You are right. Fraudulent asylum seekers can use it as a loophole to gain 'legal' entry into the country, then not show up for their hearing. There are plenty of legitimate asylum seekers as well, fleeing dictatorships and regimes who are trying to kill them. What do you see as the best way to prevent fraudulent asylum seekers from abusing this loophole? |
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 30, 2022 21:13:37 GMT -8
Of course I can pick who I care about. I care about my family and friends. I just don’t care for you. I don't care if you care about me. I was referring to your incessant whining about other things that also involve people. You don't get to ask for sympathy and compassion when you treat other people in other situations like total garbage. More demented talk from the original hater. Correction, I didn’t ask for sympathy and I sure as hell don’t need it you. Besides you don’t get to tell me what I can and can’t say or feel, your lucky I even respond to your arrogant rubbish opinions. I stated that a lot of people lost their homes and lives and perhaps we should table the political points until the region has a chance to recover. The low character liberals disagree, so be it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 30, 2022 21:27:56 GMT -8
I don't care if you care about me. I was referring to your incessant whining about other things that also involve people. You don't get to ask for sympathy and compassion when you treat other people in other situations like total garbage. More demented talk from the original hater. Correction, I didn’t ask for sympathy and I sure as hell don’t need it you. Besides you don’t get to tell me what I can and can’t say or feel, your lucky I even respond to your arrogant rubbish opinions. I stated that a lot of people lost their homes and lives and perhaps we should table the political points until the region has a chance to recover. The low character liberals disagree, so be it. No, I care about people all the time that deal with unfortunate circumstances. Not just when it's convenient or it affects me. Hurricane season in Florida is terrible, but they will rebuild stronger. DeSantis though? Pass. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Oct 1, 2022 5:30:53 GMT -8
Too late for politicization... you can thank DeSantis for that. That doesn’t mean YOU have to. This should be something which transcends political arguments. I just got off the phone with my Dad who lives in Pt Charlotte, Fl. Usually the media sensationalizes the news, making things seem worse than they actually are, this hurricane was as destructive as has been reported. This was a MAJOR storm event. Entire neighborhoods were simply erased by 120mph winds, which were sustained for 4 hours. 80% of the trees in my Dad’s neighborhood were blown over or broken off at the trunk, there are piles of debris everywhere. Most Floridians still don’t have power, assuming they still have a house. Many gas stations have no means (electricity) to pump gas and those who can have lines a half mile long. Supermarkets and food stores are barely operating. Many places are still flooded, bridges destroyed roads impassable. Ft. Myers, Punta Gorda, Cape Coral, Boca Grande and dozens of other cities and towns were completely devastated. Instead of rooting for the destruction of Mar a Lago or other people you don’t like, how about some positive thoughts for a change? First of all...I care for Florida's plight as much as you care for those in Haiti...as far as helping them out...why should my tax dollars go to those who know they live in harm's way...and do nothing to protect themselves...for instance...why are power lines above ground instead of buried?...because residents vote not to pay for the cost of doing so...they don't want to be taxed...that's socialism...I bet your dad rubberstamped it also...so when it comes to aid...and government handouts...I say we do as DeSantis did when Hurricane Sandy hit the libs...: “ I sympathise with the victims of Hurricane Ian and believe that those who purchased flood insurance should have their claims paid. At the same time, allowing the program to increase the national debt by another $9.7bn with no plan to offset the spending with cuts elsewhere is not fiscally responsible.
“Congress should not authorize billions in new borrowing without offsetting expenditures in other areas. If a family maxes out its credit cards and faces the need for new spending, it is forced to prioritize by reducing its spending in other areas … this ‘put it on the credit card mentality’ is part of the reason we find ourselves nearly $17tn in debt.” Let's not raise the national debt to help Florida...they apparently got money to burn to send asylum seekers to Martha's Vinyard...I'm sure DeSantis can find it in the Florida budget to help his state...and own the Libs..... |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 1, 2022 5:34:23 GMT -8
Of course I can pick who I care about. I care about my family and friends. I just don’t care for you. I don't care if you care about me. I was referring to your incessant whining about other things that also involve people. Bitching about inflation (which you still don't understand), high gas prices and raging about the economy. You don't get to ask for sympathy and compassion when you treat other people in other situations like total garbage. You don't get to vilify protesters fighting for social and racial change, care more about the buildings and property and then ask for some kind of "happy thoughts." Dude's got a big chip on his shoulder. No wonder! How many of his coworkers over the years have been "low character liberals"...? Like 90%.?.. the music business...gimme a break. Also probably frosts him that the best of the best (RR hall of fame, jazz greats) have leaned left. Of course he gets kid rock and ted nugent. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Oct 1, 2022 7:08:21 GMT -8
Aztecryan you stated referring to the capital riot. "Don't choose this hill. You'll embarrass yourself because there are hundreds of photos in evidence of violence perpetrated by Trump supporters, Nazi sympathizers and White nationalists. If your position is that those people who attacked the Capitol are not a threat to democracy when their sole mission was to overturn the results of an election, you are lying to yourself and to the rest of the board." This would be akin to targeting everyone who protested the murder of George Floyd (or support BLM) with violent rioters, saying anyone in those groups are a threat to our country. I don't know anyone who is OK with people assaulting police officers and breaking into the capital. But I have heard of people in our government supporting the following: "Harris expressed support for a nonprofit called the Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF), which pays criminal bail and immigration bonds, and encouraged her supporters to donate to it during the protests over Floyd's death in the summer of 2020." www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-protesters-bail/ |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2022 7:33:14 GMT -8
Aztecryan you stated referring to the capital riot. "Don't choose this hill. You'll embarrass yourself because there are hundreds of photos in evidence of violence perpetrated by Trump supporters, Nazi sympathizers and White nationalists. If your position is that those people who attacked the Capitol are not a threat to democracy when their sole mission was to overturn the results of an election, you are lying to yourself and to the rest of the board." This would be akin to targeting everyone who protested the murder of George Floyd (or support BLM) with violent rioters, saying anyone in those groups are a threat to our country. I don't know anyone who is OK with people assaulting police officers and breaking into the capital. But I have heard of people in our government supporting the following: "Harris expressed support for a nonprofit called the Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF), which pays criminal bail and immigration bonds, and encouraged her supporters to donate to it during the protests over Floyd's death in the summer of 2020." www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-protesters-bail/Only to a person who doesn't understand logic, maybe. The protests (the vast majority of which were peaceful demonstrations, not shown on television) were to combat a racially abusive and divisive justice system where police officers use excessive force to justify murdering Black civilians. George Floyd is but one name in the ever-growing list, many of whom I've named at length in other threads. Those protests were for something that's demonstrably real; an inequitable justice system that separates people by color, wealth status and other dubious factors. Oh, and those people didn't march to Congress to try and hang the Vice President. That also matters. The predictable false equivalence here is just that...predictable. As I've said dozens of times, there is zero comparison between the two events. None. The insurrection had one distinct goal: Overturn a valid election to install Donald Trump as pseudo-dictator. It was a pre-planned, coordinated and targeted effort to overthrow democracy. From fake slates of electors, to interfering with the certification, to obstructing the response of the military, to covering up involvement by multiple members of Congress. Joe Biden clearly said: "MAGA extremists are a threat to democracy." What he did NOT say is "Everyone who was in DC on January 6th is a threat to democracy." So, your point is factually incorrect. Better come up with something more effective than this... because it's not going to work. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Oct 1, 2022 7:58:04 GMT -8
OK aztecryan
clarity over agreement...
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2022 9:01:49 GMT -8
OK aztecryan clarity over agreement... You're just wrong. Sorry. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2022 13:24:58 GMT -8
C u l t.
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Post by mySTRAS on Oct 1, 2022 13:48:58 GMT -8
Aztecryan you stated referring to the capital riot. "Don't choose this hill. You'll embarrass yourself because there are hundreds of photos in evidence of violence perpetrated by Trump supporters, Nazi sympathizers and White nationalists. If your position is that those people who attacked the Capitol are not a threat to democracy when their sole mission was to overturn the results of an election, you are lying to yourself and to the rest of the board." This would be akin to targeting everyone who protested the murder of George Floyd (or support BLM) with violent rioters, saying anyone in those groups are a threat to our country. I don't know anyone who is OK with people assaulting police officers and breaking into the capital. But I have heard of people in our government supporting the following: "Harris expressed support for a nonprofit called the Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF), which pays criminal bail and immigration bonds, and encouraged her supporters to donate to it during the protests over Floyd's death in the summer of 2020." www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-protesters-bail/Quite possibly the dumbest post in AM history. To paraphrase... "There was a lot of love that day!" |
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